You want a 3 bedroom in Manhattan proper? I am asking b/c this totally depends on where you think "family friendly" is in the city itself as well as how picky you are re building/amenities. I know people hate to see this, but I highly doubt you can even get a 2 bedroom in a nice high rise for $5K. I personally know people who pay $6K for a two bedroom in midtown
ETA: I stand corrected. Upper East Side rentals (aka lower Harlem) on nytimes.com start around $3,500. I assume if you want to get more south of that then you will need to use up your budget of $5K or more. GL!
I just saw one for a 3/2 duplex w/ private roofdeck in the UWS too.
Post by dexteroni on Sept 16, 2012 15:04:06 GMT -5
I haven't lived in NY in some time, and when I did, I didn't have your requirements. But based on my friends who still live there and have families, I don't know that you'll even be able to find something in Manhattan that meets your needs for $5k. You might have better luck in the family neighborhoods of Brooklyn like Park Slope or Brooklyn Heights, but I don't know. Most of my friends with families are in Queens and NJ due to the costs. The good news is that you have a lot of places you can cut if you need to free up a couple more thousand for rent.
What neighborhoods do you have in mind? To me "family friendly" brings to mind UES, UWS, West Village, Murray Hill. There are others, of course, but those are usually the ones most people think of as family neighborhoods.
Right now the average 1BR in Manhattan costs something like $3400/mo, and that's including all of Harlem/Washington Heights and other less expensive areas.
We moved in 2009 (when rents were CHEAP) and had trouble finding any usable 2BR under $4000 (although granted, we were only looking below 23rd St. -- UES would have been cheaper maybe). Rents have skyrocketed since then. So I don't know that you're really going to find a true 3BR in that price range in any area of Manhattan that is family-friendly...
We live in a nice building in a very expensive neighborhood (so you could do better elsewhere price per square foot-wise), but we pay more than what you propose for a large 1BR.
Okay, I'm now playing around on Streeteasy. Among all of the apartments listed as 3brs in Manhattan below 120th or so the median rent is $7900. And most of the cheaper one seem to be "massive 800 sq foot 1br that could be converted into 3brs!" type listings.
Post by penguingrrl on Sept 16, 2012 16:10:19 GMT -5
We just moved out of Manhattan and had a 2 bed/1 bath for $1695. But we were on W. 148th street and the bedrooms were teeny (the girls shared a 6x9 room). Our block was wonderful (really friendly, lots of kids) but the surrounding area was "up and coming". I know a lot of people in Inwood with 3 bedrooms for around that price, but they're all people who very recently finished grad school and have pretty low standards (one is a great apt, but a 5th floor walk up).
We left the city because of the costs and we found having kids in the city overwhelmingly difficult. Little things were harder, like the subway when they could unbuckle the stroller but couldn't be trusted on the subway platform, I was very worried about their inability to be independent ever (no yard to hang out in without me, in my neighborhood even teenagers weren't allowed outside without their parents).
As far uptown as you'd have to live to get everything you want in your price point and you'd be better off moving to Park Slope. That's what all the other families with your income did.
Do you need to live in Manhattan? There are so many nice neighborhoods in the outer boroughs. Family friendly, lots of green space, not so crowded, more affordable.
Like others said, if you WANT Manhattan, you'll have to compromise that want.
My friends pay 4k for a tiny 1bed 1 bath. Another friend owns his loft (no proper bedrooms) w one bath, and identical units in his building are renting over $5k. Both are in midtown.
I love Brooklyn, but depending where you are in NJ, that may not cut down the commute.
There is a reason people live in NJ and the outer boroughs.
Do you need to live in Manhattan? There are so many nice neighborhoods in the outer boroughs. Family friendly, lots of green space, not so crowded, more affordable.
I agree, except that if she's lived in Manhattan before and currently lives in NJ, I'd assume she knows about the outer boroughs and there's a reason why she's not asking about living there?
But as AmeliaPond says, that's what the families with her income level did.
Do you need to live in Manhattan? There are so many nice neighborhoods in the outer boroughs. Family friendly, lots of green space, not so crowded, more affordable.
I agree, except that if she's lived in Manhattan before and currently lives in NJ, I'd assume she knows about the outer boroughs and there's a reason why she's not asking about living there?
But as AmeliaPond says, that's what the families with her income level did.
I didn't know if the move was to, for example, not have to pay taxes in two states.
I didn't know if the move was to, for example, not have to pay taxes in two states.
I could be wrong, but don't people who live in NJ and work in NY pay less in income taxes than those who both live and work in NYC? I could be wrong, but that's what friends who live in Hoboken and work in the city have told me...
I didn't know if the move was to, for example, not have to pay taxes in two states.
I could be wrong, but don't people who live in NJ and work in NY pay less in income taxes than those who both live and work in NYC? I could be wrong, but that's what friends who live in Hoboken and work in the city have told me...
I think it depends. I have friends who do both. I had to pay non-resident taxes for one year in NY while I was consulting and I got massacred. But that was years and years ago.
Post by penguinsidecar on Sept 17, 2012 8:36:26 GMT -5
Echoing the above posters - as someone who actually lives in Manhattan - I pay 4300 (going up to 4400 next month) for a 1 bed, 1 bath + a nursery apartment in a good location on the UWS. No doorman, no playroom, no gym. Just a basic building.
A 3/2 even in somewhere like Morningside Heights, which is full of families (but also has pretty sketchy areas nearby) is going to be in the 6 - 7K a month range.
I'll also say I'm a bit shocked that full time daycare/private school for 2 kids is only 4K - I'm paying 3600 for a nanny for 1 kiddo.
Does it *have* to be in Manhattan? If not, consider Hoboken or the Downtown section of Jersey City. If you're near a PATH train or ferry you can be in the city in minutes.
Post by cricketwife on Sept 17, 2012 9:04:16 GMT -5
Well, if you eliminated the $900 for eating out, you'd increase your options for finding a place to rent that's more in line with your wants (and since you have $1000 in fun/entertainment/extras, I think it could be done without giving up all sense of fun and freedom.)
Off topic, but since you invited the Internet world to comment on your budget -- I think that your charitable giving is way low for your income. Find a cause or two that you can really get behind and give back.
Well, if you eliminated the $900 for eating out, you'd increase your options for finding a place to rent that's more in line with your wants (and since you have $1000 in fun/entertainment/extras, I think it could be done without giving up all sense of fun and freedom.)
Off topic, but since you invited the Internet world to comment on your budget -- I think that your charitable giving is way low for your income. Find a cause or two that you can really get behind and give back.
There are too many yummy things in Manhattan to have a low eating out budget.
Also, I think charity is up to her.
But I will say that there are a few items that seem awfully high -- like renter's insurance. Granted, there are only 2 of us but we pay a ton less than $1200 a year. And the $800 for cabs/subway sounds super high. We live in a very walkable area and tend to stay within walking distance of our apartment on the weekends, but we spend about $160 a month (pretax) on MetroCards for the two of us, and maybe another $100 per month on cabs. Would kids raise it that much?
It would have been just as easy to post - I have $5000 for rent, can I find a 3 bedroom in a family neighborhood in NYC...
I agree that this post leave it open to have people comment.
I also agree that it bothers me when I see such low charitable donations.
If this is the reality of living in NYC, not sure what "wide open" means. She's asking for suggestions from people who may be able to comment/help. If you have nothing to say or add - not sure how the judgement helps.
As a fellow NYC-er I have to agree that 5K is probably too low for a true 3/2 in Manhattan below 96th street. I live 30 min from midtown and real 3 bedrooms are going for 3,000 to 3,500.
I'd suggest reworking the budget (perhaps with a nanny and pre-k?) so you can look in the 6K range OR looking in many of the close to Manhattan areas that are popular. Places like park slope, long island city etc.