Ohio gov. signs abortion restrictions into law.

[stephm0188]

Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) signed stringent abortion restrictions into
law as part of his state’s budget Sunday night, just days after
Democratic Texas state Sen. Wendy Davis thrilled
abortion rights groups nationwide with her successful filibuster
against proposed anti-abortion regulations in her home state.

The provisions in Ohio will make it more difficult for family planning
groups to receive funding for preventive care; require ultrasounds for
anyone seeking an abortion; and limit abortion providers’ ability to get
transfer agreements with public hospitals.

Read more:
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/07/01/ohio-gov-john-kasich-signs-new-abortion-restrictions-into-law/

and this one breaks it down a little bit more:
maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/07/01/19231745-ohios-kasich-approves-sweeping-restrictions-on-reproductive-rights

[calla37]

Irritated as all get out!
Sometimes I hate Ohio!

[shortstax]

What pisses me off most (besides the actual content of this shit) is how this is added into the budget instead of introduced as a separate bill.

[sushi]

Jul 1, 2013 14:41:59 GMT -5 asdfjkl said:

I'm going to assume I'm not allowed to comment on this.  

Oh, please do. I love your rants on these anti-choice assholes.

[FloFTW]

I really despise that man.

[mala]

Jul 1, 2013 15:09:58 GMT -5 shortstax said:

What pisses me off most (besides the actual content of this shit) is how this is added into the budget instead of introduced as a separate bill.

I'm with you on this.

[lola]

Jul 1, 2013 16:04:14 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

From the 2nd article:

"And Republican policymakers in the state decided to redefine the words "pregnancy" and "fetus" in state law -- the budget decides that a woman is pregnant even before a fertilized egg is implanted in the uterine lining. The effect of this policy may prevent a woman from using an IUD in the state of Ohio."

What. the fuck. is this?

I'mma need to see the text of this.

Yes!

asdfjkl - please help me find this text! I read this on ML as well and I *believe* that it happened but I need to SEE IT!

[LoveTrains]

Yeah I am done with the world today after reading this. What the eff??

[lola]

HB 59

[mala]

Full text of Ohio House Bill 59

Sec. 2919.19. As used in this section and sections 2919.191 to 2919.193 of the Revised Code:

(A) "Fetal heartbeat" means cardiac activity or the steady and repetitive rhythmic contraction of the fetal heart within the gestational sac.

(B) "Fetus" means the human offspring developing during pregnancy from the moment of conception and includes the embryonic stage of development.

(C) "Gestational age" means the age of an unborn human individual as calculated from the first day of the last menstrual period of a pregnant woman.

(D) "Gestational sac" means the structure that comprises the extraembryonic membranes that envelop the fetus and that is typically visible by ultrasound after the fourth week of pregnancy.

(E) "Medical emergency" has the same meaning as in section 2919.16 of the Revised Code.

(F) "Physician" has the same meaning as in section 2305.113 of the Revised Code.

(G) "Pregnancy" means the human female reproductive condition that begins with fertilization, when the woman is carrying the developing human offspring, and that is calculated from the first day of the last menstrual period of the woman.

(H) "Serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function" has the same meaning as in section 2919.16 of the Revised Code.

(I) "Standard medical practice" means the degree of skill, care, and diligence that a physician of the same medical specialty would employ in like circumstances. As applied to the method used to determine the presence of a fetal heartbeat for purposes of section 2919.191 of the Revised Code, "standard medical practice" includes employing the appropriate means of detection depending on the estimated gestational age of the fetus and the condition of the woman and her pregnancy.

(J) "Unborn human individual" means an individual organism of the species homo sapiens from fertilization until live birth.

[FloFTW]

Jul 1, 2013 16:09:31 GMT -5 lola said:

Jul 1, 2013 16:04:14 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

From the 2nd article:

"And Republican policymakers in the state decided to redefine the words "pregnancy" and "fetus" in state law -- the budget decides that a woman is pregnant even before a fertilized egg is implanted in the uterine lining. The effect of this policy may prevent a woman from using an IUD in the state of Ohio."

What. the fuck. is this?

I'mma need to see the text of this.

Yes!

asdfjkl - please help me find this text! I read this on ML as well and I *believe* that it happened but I need to SEE IT!

I'm also interested in this. I support my local clinic and they are also talking about this portion but don't cite it.

[FloFTW]

Posted too soon! Thanks asdfjkl

[meshaliuknits]

No. You do no get to redefine scientific/medical terms with universally accepted definitions.

[lola]

(G) "Pregnancy" means the human female reproductive condition that begins with fertilization, when the woman is carrying the developing human offspring, and that is calculated from the first day of the last menstrual period of the woman.


My god.

[sushi]

So, it's a fucking personhood bill? Unfuckingreal.

[Deleted]

So, at fertilization?

Miscarriages are now a crime in Ohio?

I can't with this stuff anymore. I really can't. And I feel so powerless. I think that's the worst part--that I feel powerless.

[tripleshot]

Jul 1, 2013 16:28:47 GMT -5 lola said:

(G) "Pregnancy" means the human female reproductive condition that begins with fertilization, when the woman is carrying the developing human offspring, and that is calculated from the first day of the last menstrual period of the woman.


My god.

So we are always pregnant if we're not actively bleeding?  WTMF. who the fuck does this guy think he is? 

[lola]

The way I read it is, if you have sex and an egg is "fertilized" you are pregnant. Starting with the last day of your period. No matter if that egg implants or not.

So...Uhh.....I guess if you're sexually active then you just have to assume you're pregnant all the fucking time.

I am honestly in so much shock I don't even know what to say. I hope I'm understanding this wrong.

[mala]

Jul 1, 2013 16:34:02 GMT -5 lola said:

The way I read it is, if you have sex and an egg is "fertilized" you are pregnant. Starting with the last day of your period. No matter if that egg implants or not.

So...Uhh.....I guess if you're sexually active then you just have to assume you're pregnant all the fucking time.

I am honestly in so much shock I don't even know what to say. I hope I'm understanding this wrong.

I think we are all looking at this the same way you are.

[anastasia517]

WTF? You can't just change definitions and make laws that go against Supreme Court rulings for the hell of it. I know they want to overturn Roe v. Wade but this is ridiculous.

[WOT?*]

So effing glad I moved from Ohio shortly after SSM was made unconstitutional by the lovely voters in the state (minus Cleveland and Dayton, of course.)

Damn, they need more voters in Cleveland. This shit would stop.

[ChillyMcFreeze]

What the motherfucking hell.

[Deleted]

Ew

[lola]

I want to know what impact this :

(J) "Unborn human individual" means an individual organism of the species homo sapiens from fertilization until live birth.

is going to have. Because, take for instance IF treatment. This seems like a very dangerous definition to me.

This whole thing has me all upset and I don't even live in OH! And I never will, now.

[mala]

Jul 1, 2013 16:58:43 GMT -5 lola said:

I want to know what impact this :

(J) "Unborn human individual" means an individual organism of the species homo sapiens from fertilization until live birth.

is going to have. Because, take for instance IF treatment. This seems like a very dangerous definition to me.

This whole thing has me all upset and I don't even live in OH! And I never will, now.

Me too. It appears to grant all human rights to any fertilized egg, be it in a woman's body or a petri dish.

I wonder if those who wrote the law intended it this way (probably) or if they were just so dumb they didn't realize what they were writing.

ETA: The text of the bill uses "unborn human individual" not "fetus" or "embryo" in the bill itself. It is used everywhere. This is a personhood bill. No doubt about it.

[lola]

Jul 1, 2013 17:00:43 GMT -5 mala said:

Jul 1, 2013 16:58:43 GMT -5 lola said:

I want to know what impact this :

(J) "Unborn human individual" means an individual organism of the species homo sapiens from fertilization until live birth.

is going to have. Because, take for instance IF treatment. This seems like a very dangerous definition to me.

This whole thing has me all upset and I don't even live in OH! And I never will, now.

Me too. It appears to grant all human rights to any fertilized egg, be it in a woman's body or a petri dish.

I wonder if those who wrote the law intended it this way (probably) or if they were just so dumb they didn't realize what they were writing.

I cannot imagine that they didn't realize. Or at least I don't want to think that the people running a FUCKING STATE are so dumb they didn't realize.

I guess don't be having IF treatments unless you're prepared to have 12 kids! You fertilize 'em, you birth 'em.

[stephm0188]

Jul 1, 2013 17:00:43 GMT -5 mala said:

Jul 1, 2013 16:58:43 GMT -5 lola said:

I want to know what impact this :

(J) "Unborn human individual" means an individual organism of the species homo sapiens from fertilization until live birth.

is going to have. Because, take for instance IF treatment. This seems like a very dangerous definition to me.

This whole thing has me all upset and I don't even live in OH! And I never will, now.

Me too. It appears to grant all human rights to any fertilized egg, be it in a woman's body or a petri dish.

I wonder if those who wrote the law intended it this way (probably) or if they were just so dumb they didn't realize what they were writing.

It was absolutely intentional. The "Heartbeat Bill" failed last fall. It would have prohibited any abortion after a fetal heartbeat was detected. This is laying the groundwork for something even more restrictive.

[mala]

Jul 1, 2013 17:11:23 GMT -5 stephm0188 said:

Jul 1, 2013 17:00:43 GMT -5 mala said:

Me too. It appears to grant all human rights to any fertilized egg, be it in a woman's body or a petri dish.

I wonder if those who wrote the law intended it this way (probably) or if they were just so dumb they didn't realize what they were writing.

It was absolutely intentional. The "Heartbeat Bill" failed last fall. It would have prohibited any abortion after a fetal heartbeat was detected. This is laying the groundwork for something even more restrictive.

Gotcha. Sneaky Bastards!

[sushi]

With the line about making sure a pictorial representation shows scale, I wonder if they realize the impact that would actually have. Like, you're showing me that this



is a baby? And how will they show the scale when it's so small that there's really no way to picture how small it is.

[debatethis]

Jul 1, 2013 16:58:43 GMT -5 lola said:

I want to know what impact this :

(J) "Unborn human individual" means an individual organism of the species homo sapiens from fertilization until live birth.

is going to have. Because, take for instance IF treatment. This seems like a very dangerous definition to me.

This whole thing has me all upset and I don't even live in OH! And I never will, now.

This pretty much bans preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGD - part of IVF for carriers of dangerous genetic conditions) and probably all the rest of IVF as well.