sample budget for McDonalds employees

[kershnic]

Jul 17, 2013 15:51:17 GMT -5 @buckybells said:

Jul 17, 2013 13:07:34 GMT -5 @septimus said:

The real budgets of real McDonald employees www.money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/2013/07/17/mcdonalds-worker-budget/index.html

I mean, this is kind of silly really. Obviously McDonalds can't expect anyone to live on $400 or $600 a month. Those are not full time wages, even at minimum wage. I understand it's hard to even find a part time job in many areas, but unfortunately that's not McDonalds' fault - they can't give everyone a full time job just because it would be nice. I think the original budget was unrealistic, I think McDonalds should provide full time jobs to fewer people (i.e. instead of having 20 part time employees, hire 10 people full time), and should pay better - but if you're only working a handful of hours a week there is something larger going on that what McDonalds can really fix. 

This. Obviously low wage jobs is a huge issue and lack of full time work for people who want it is another, but I don't think the real budgets of PT McDonalds employees are an appropriate response to what McDonalds put out. The real problem is all the budget categories they missed combined with the impossible 2nd full time job.

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Jul 16, 2013 11:38:21 GMT -5 @angryharpy said:

For the sake of argument, I can assume food comes out of daily spending money and heat is either included in rent or electric. But $20/month health insurance? Really? I mean, REALLY?!

I pay $20/month for my health insurance and it is AMAZING insurance.  I know a lot of people pay a lot more then that but it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. P.S. I don't work for Mcdonalds so I don't know if it is reasonable for them.

[LoveTrains]

Jul 17, 2013 15:51:17 GMT -5 @buckybells said:

Jul 17, 2013 13:07:34 GMT -5 @septimus said:

The real budgets of real McDonald employees www.money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/2013/07/17/mcdonalds-worker-budget/index.html

I mean, this is kind of silly really. Obviously McDonalds can't expect anyone to live on $400 or $600 a month. Those are not full time wages, even at minimum wage. I understand it's hard to even find a part time job in many areas, but unfortunately that's not McDonalds' fault - they can't give everyone a full time job just because it would be nice. I think the original budget was unrealistic, I think McDonalds should provide full time jobs to fewer people (i.e. instead of having 20 part time employees, hire 10 people full time), and should pay better - but if you're only working a handful of hours a week there is something larger going on that what McDonalds can really fix. 

Bucky, you are naive and sweet. But many of these folks WANT to work full time. That is why that one guy featured in the article works at TWO different McDonalds. He wants full time work yet McDonalds and other large corporations would rather hire more people with part time hours so they don't pay benefits. 

McDonalds can fix this by offering to schedule their folks for more than 20 hours a week. 

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Jul 17, 2013 18:07:57 GMT -5 kershnic said:

Jul 17, 2013 15:51:17 GMT -5 @buckybells said:

I mean, this is kind of silly really. Obviously McDonalds can't expect anyone to live on $400 or $600 a month. Those are not full time wages, even at minimum wage. I understand it's hard to even find a part time job in many areas, but unfortunately that's not McDonalds' fault - they can't give everyone a full time job just because it would be nice. I think the original budget was unrealistic, I think McDonalds should provide full time jobs to fewer people (i.e. instead of having 20 part time employees, hire 10 people full time), and should pay better - but if you're only working a handful of hours a week there is something larger going on that what McDonalds can really fix. 

This. Obviously low wage jobs is a huge issue and lack of full time work for people who want it is another, but I don't think the real budgets of PT McDonalds employees are an appropriate response to what McDonalds put out. The real problem is all the budget categories they missed combined with the impossible 2nd full time job.

really? what percentage of McD employees do you think are full-time? I'm willing to bet dinner in Nashville if the average franchise has more than 20% of its staff working full-time

[kershnic]

Jul 17, 2013 19:05:14 GMT -5 @septimus said:

Jul 17, 2013 18:07:57 GMT -5 kershnic said:

This. Obviously low wage jobs is a huge issue and lack of full time work for people who want it is another, but I don't think the real budgets of PT McDonalds employees are an appropriate response to what McDonalds put out. The real problem is all the budget categories they missed combined with the impossible 2nd full time job.

really? what percentage of McD employees do you think are full-time? I'm willing to bet dinner in Nashville if the average franchise has more than 20% of its staff working full-time

That's a really interesting question and I wish I could find some actual data on it.  But I still maintain it's an underemployment problem.

I'm a social worker.  There are lots of PT social work jobs.  I couldn't live on a PT salary.  Doesn't mean I could compare my PT budget to a FT budget and be surprised that it's tighter.

I have several clients who work FT at low-wage jobs and I think it would be far more interesting to look at real world budgets for people who work FT and compare that with the McDonalds budget.

[ttt]

FYI here is a link to McD's actual employee insurance benefits handbook:

mcd.verisourcesvc.com/2012MCDCorpEnglish.pdf

They do not offer a $20 a month plan. The absolute cheapest is just over $50 a month, and it only covers up to $2k a year.

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Jul 17, 2013 19:01:23 GMT -5 LoveTrains said:

Jul 17, 2013 15:51:17 GMT -5 @buckybells said:

I mean, this is kind of silly really. Obviously McDonalds can't expect anyone to live on $400 or $600 a month. Those are not full time wages, even at minimum wage. I understand it's hard to even find a part time job in many areas, but unfortunately that's not McDonalds' fault - they can't give everyone a full time job just because it would be nice. I think the original budget was unrealistic, I think McDonalds should provide full time jobs to fewer people (i.e. instead of having 20 part time employees, hire 10 people full time), and should pay better - but if you're only working a handful of hours a week there is something larger going on that what McDonalds can really fix. 

Bucky, you are naive and sweet. But many of these folks WANT to work full time. That is why that one guy featured in the article works at TWO different McDonalds. He wants full time work yet McDonalds and other large corporations would rather hire more people with part time hours so they don't pay benefits. 

McDonalds can fix this by offering to schedule their folks for more than 20 hours a week. 

Yeah, I know my "idea" is idealistic and not going to happen. But I still don't think that showing people working 1 part time minimum wage job as an example of a "real" worker at McDonalds makes much of a point. Nobody is going to pretend that working for $400 a month is a realistic way to live. I think problem with the examples in the second article is that it's trying to compare people who work part time to a full time job. The problem isn't so much that McDonalds under pays (though obviously they do) but that the person is underemployed and needs to find a second job or other employment to make full time hours. There aren't enough jobs to go around and allow every person to work full time, and that's a greater issue than what any one company can solve. 

I hope that makes sense, I must be tired because I feel like i'm having trouble figuring out how to say what I'm trying to say, lol.