Dh has a tenure track position and when he gets to the top of the pay scale in 10 years we will make 40k more than now. I also may eventually work full time. It won't affect our standard of living much though bc we will then hardcore pay off student loans and save for retirement
Post by dixeedeluxe on Aug 27, 2013 12:30:34 GMT -5
I guess I don't really know any teachers with the ambition to get out of teaching. That sounds mean, but I didn't mean it to be mean. Know what I MEAN. haha!
I do have two former teachers in my family who went up the chain and became principals and also did work for the school board after leaving the school setting. One now teaches at a college since she's retired. I'm pretty sure that's not MORE MONEY though, obviously!
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Nope. Never. I'm a teacher, so it's not like I could make more if I worked more hours or something.
Right, but you could get promoted if that was your goal.
When looking at what H does vs a teaching job, I'd say a teacher has more opportunity to make more money than an autobody tech/painter.
Know what I mean? Like your job as a teacher sets you up to apply for jobs in administration (if that's what you want) but H will only ever be an autobody tech/painter.
I get what you are saying, but I think that most teachers don't feel like becoming a principal, superintendent, etc. is "moving up the ladder." It is either 1.getting out of the classroom or 2.becoming the man. It just isn't seen as a logical step in the process.
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Right, but you could get promoted if that was your goal.
When looking at what H does vs a teaching job, I'd say a teacher has more opportunity to make more money than an autobody tech/painter.
Know what I mean? Like your job as a teacher sets you up to apply for jobs in administration (if that's what you want) but H will only ever be an autobody tech/painter.
I get what you are saying, but I think that most teachers don't feel like becoming a principal, superintendent, etc. is "moving up the ladder." It is either 1.getting out of the classroom or 2.becoming the man. It just isn't seen as a logical step in the process.
I SO WANT TO BE THE MAN! I'm angry that we're so top heavy here that even though I pretty much rule, I'll never be the man.
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I don't, lol. My H will. He gets at minimum one raise a year and depending on his work rating, he gets two. There is no cap. Not to mention promotions or moving to a new company or whatever. I hate him because he has an awesome career (and kind of easy) and complains.
As a PP mentioned, stocks and investments which is How my grandparents had money. They were very smart in not just letting it sit in the bank but made it grow. My H wants to buy some of his company stocks but that scares me.
Yes I am in the corporate world so I can move up the corporate ladder so to speak. I am now making about $20K more than I did when I started here at the entry level, although that was 7 years ago. I can realistically move up to make about $20K more from here but who knows how long it will take. Still not enough for me to leave a giant inheritance to my children
Post by dixeedeluxe on Aug 27, 2013 12:40:06 GMT -5
I am now thinking it through and understanding why administration may not be the next logical step for teachers.
We have a program here that grooms people for advancement. You get a promotion when you get accepted into the program. But if you hold that position, they can drop you anywhere and you're expected to lead wherever you are. Because of sequestration, the program is now gone and they are scrambling to figure out what to do with all these GS15s (top of the GS scale for those who know fed gov work).
Because of this program, our Director was a French major who got a government job as a programmer. And now she's the leader of a medical adjudication division. IT'S TERRIBLE! We're falling apart because they don't promote from whithin! I think I'd (eventually) rule at that job because I'm awesome at what I do. But those jobs will never be open to me.
I feel like as a teacher, you would be best suited to LEAD other teachers. But that's not how it works, is it? Are people in leadership positions usually brought up through higher ed and not actual classrooms?
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DH has maxed out, and with state budget cuts it's very possible he'll take some small pay cuts.
I have the potential to make quite a bit more, but it would mean putting a lot more time and energy into my career and that's just not my focus right now. Maybe someday when L is in school full time.
We are on track to have our house payed off in the next ten years, so that will make a huge difference, and there is the potential of some modest inheritance at some point down the road, so it's possible that if we invest wisely we may have a small inheritance to leave behind.
Obviously, staying in the same position, one wouldn't expect to make more money. But, I assume that you'd make more if you moved up the chain, right?
Moving up the chain isn't really an option. Sure, I could become a department head, but that's maybe a $1000 increase in pay a year. A teacher can leave the classroom and work in curriculum, but the pay difference is pretty minimal there, too. I would have to get an advanced degree to work in administration, and then yes, there is a more substantial pay increase. But that's returning to school and essentially a career change. Classroom teachers here can only get cost of living raises or see an increase whenever the state board of ed decides to raise teacher pay across the board.
There's just not upward mobility for a classroom teacher. At least here.
I would need an admin license to be a principal (not something I'm interested in job-wise) and that would be a big investment in another masters degree which basically is another career. Staying in the teaching field I only see my steps (years experience) as a way to make more. Eventually I'd love to go into teaching at the college level but I don't think that would be more
I am now thinking it through and understanding why administration may not be the next logical step for teachers.
We have a program here that grooms people for advancement. You get a promotion when you get accepted into the program. But if you hold that position, they can drop you anywhere and you're expected to lead wherever you are. Because of sequestration, the program is now gone and they are scrambling to figure out what to do with all these GS15s (top of the GS scale for those who know fed gov work).
Because of this program, our Director was a French major who got a government job as a programmer. And now she's the leader of a medical adjudication division. IT'S TERRIBLE! We're falling apart because they don't promote from whithin! I think I'd (eventually) rule at that job because I'm awesome at what I do. But those jobs will never be open to me.
I feel like as a teacher, you would be best suited to LEAD other teachers. But that's not how it works, is it? Are people in leadership positions usually brought up through higher ed and not actual classrooms?
No, all my principals and assistant principals were previously classroom teachers. They just went back to school and pursued a grad degree in administration. Lots of teachers have grad degrees, but you have to specifically have one in education administration to be a principal or asst principal. I believe in some areas you may just have to obtain the administrator certification through a series of steps and tests and trainings and also be a part of a principal intern program for an amount of time. That is still time and money, and not just applying for a promotion, KWIM?
I never want to work as a principal or asst. principal. Ugh. That sounds like an awful job.
I'm slowly working on my masters because I want more part time and specialized options in the future (curriculum, instructional coach, literacy specialist, etc. ). None of these options involve more than a 5-8K raise, IF that.
Yes for us. H works for a company where he got in early, like 10th employee. If it sells or goes public we'll get some money. He would probably move to a start-up or start a new company after that which would be a huge pay cut and we would have to live off whatever money we had left after investing, but it would pay off in the end. We've taken a risk and invested in some other start-ups as well so who knows what will happen with those. I could see H possibly reaching a C-level title at some point in his life.
If I return to working in an office I would probably be applying for Art Director positions only which would be a higher title than I had when I left my job.
That said, our lifestyle is crazy expensive and retirement is getting more and more costly so I don't see us buying a house for our kids, but who knows.
ETA: that said, I know start-ups are such a small industry and most people do not have the ability for much career advancement.
I don't. My H will, he gets a yearly raise and his company is always hiring for new positions that he's eligible for. He'll most likely be getting another promotion next May.
I am now thinking it through and understanding why administration may not be the next logical step for teachers.
We have a program here that grooms people for advancement. You get a promotion when you get accepted into the program. But if you hold that position, they can drop you anywhere and you're expected to lead wherever you are. Because of sequestration, the program is now gone and they are scrambling to figure out what to do with all these GS15s (top of the GS scale for those who know fed gov work).
Because of this program, our Director was a French major who got a government job as a programmer. And now she's the leader of a medical adjudication division. IT'S TERRIBLE! We're falling apart because they don't promote from whithin! I think I'd (eventually) rule at that job because I'm awesome at what I do. But those jobs will never be open to me.
I feel like as a teacher, you would be best suited to LEAD other teachers. But that's not how it works, is it? Are people in leadership positions usually brought up through higher ed and not actual classrooms?
they do tend to promote from within the district/area but those people need to seek out an admin license first (usually another masters degree worth of classes they pay for on their own) then they can apply for the jobs. it doesnt just happen if you are good.
I am now thinking it through and understanding why administration may not be the next logical step for teachers.
We have a program here that grooms people for advancement. You get a promotion when you get accepted into the program. But if you hold that position, they can drop you anywhere and you're expected to lead wherever you are. Because of sequestration, the program is now gone and they are scrambling to figure out what to do with all these GS15s (top of the GS scale for those who know fed gov work).
Because of this program, our Director was a French major who got a government job as a programmer. And now she's the leader of a medical adjudication division. IT'S TERRIBLE! We're falling apart because they don't promote from whithin! I think I'd (eventually) rule at that job because I'm awesome at what I do. But those jobs will never be open to me.
I feel like as a teacher, you would be best suited to LEAD other teachers. But that's not how it works, is it? Are people in leadership positions usually brought up through higher ed and not actual classrooms?
No, all my principals and assistant principals were previously classroom teachers. They just went back to school and pursued a grad degree in administration. Lots of teachers have grad degrees, but you have to specifically have one in education administration to be a principal or asst principal. I believe in some areas you may just have to obtain the administrator certification through a series of steps and tests and trainings and also be a part of a principal intern program for an amount of time. That is still time and money, and not just applying for a promotion, KWIM?
I never want to work as a principal or asst. principal. Ugh. That sounds like an awful job.
I'm slowly working on my masters because I want more part time and specialized options in the future (curriculum, instructional coach, literacy specialist, etc. ). None of these options involve more than a 5-8K raise, IF that.
i feel the same way... a principal seems like the worst job to me. People are mad at you from above and below. You only deal with mad parents (happy parents go to the teacher) and you only deal with problems. It's not the same satisfaction as teaching. However, I'm trying to get an Instructional Coach job now and it's been hard. there really aren't any openings. Here they pay teacher salaries- some are coded as a TOSA (teacher on special assignment) which is basically teacher pay/contract but admin responsibilities
If I stay here I can see myself making maybe 20k more in maybe 10 years. Just a guess. If I move I could make more probably but I guess I'm not that ambitious? I'm kind of complacent.
Now H is in sales which can be very good or very bad so I can't say. He could get an amazing position at some point or he could lose the decent position he has now and end up with something much shittier.
for me its more standard I think. a .net developer with X years of experience would make Y. Going by market rates I am underpaid here, but I'm also not sure my skills would be that transferable if that makes sense. I feel a lot of my usefulness lies in my knowledge of our particular systems and setups.
I do picture us having a lot more disposable income down the line though even with modest salary increases. We plan to put the kids in the public school system so after paying $1500+ per child in daycare, not having that expense will be major.
We both have the potential to make and be making more than we are. If I actually liked Recruiting and wanted to stay doing it where I am then yes. Some of our senior Recruiters make 6 figures. Base salary. My H works for the state in IT so he makes crap for what he is worth. If he left there he would probably get at least another $20k a year. It's stability and he has no drive to look plus he's been there for like 15 years.
Post by twirlermom on Aug 27, 2013 13:06:27 GMT -5
I am hoping to make significantly more myself. Although I don't know how much longer I will be working. We have our own company that is just starting to really take off. We started it about 5 years ago and have put in our dues. Ultimately we would like that to be big enough where I could work there and it would fully support us.
My grandparents somehow saved a ton of money on my grandfather's salary as a laborer and carpenter. He took on a bunch of projects in the evenings and on weekends, building cabinets for families in the neighborhood, installing aluminum siding, then vinyl siding, etc.
They invested the money in savings bonds and were able to pay for a year of college for each of their 5 grandkids and give both of their sons some money while they were still alive (so probably $250K? not including their paid off house). They did the slow steady approach of spending less than they earned. They lived in the Boston area and saved money eating from their huge garden, canning for winter, and eventually they converted the upstairs of their house to a rental apartment once they retired. As I get older, I am even more in awe of their frugal ways, financial restraint, and work ethic.
Post by imimahoney on Aug 27, 2013 13:10:17 GMT -5
After teaching 20+ years and with a PhD I could make close to 100k if I taught in a wealthy district. But I don't and I'm not getting my PhD so... nope, lol.
I did get a nice bump this year because I moved two places on our pay scale, though.
I guess I don't really know any teachers with the ambition to get out of teaching. That sounds mean, but I didn't mean it to be mean. Know what I MEAN. haha!
I do have two former teachers in my family who went up the chain and became principals and also did work for the school board after leaving the school setting. One now teaches at a college since she's retired. I'm pretty sure that's not MORE MONEY though, obviously!
Ugh, I would hate to be administration. My goal with becoming a teacher was to teach, administration does nothing of the sort. I have no desire to create the school schedule, go to court when kids are truant or suspend students for fighting. All of which our vice principals do.
Post by charlielove on Aug 27, 2013 13:25:04 GMT -5
DH goes up a step on the pay scale every year for about 15-20 years I think, then he's maxed out. Once I start working full time I will make more than double what I'm making now!
H will, yes, starting next year once he's no longer a student.
I could too if I worked (going from $0 ---> being a lawyer would mean more $ automatically), but I have no desire to practice at all, so I don't think it will ever happen.
Post by creamsiclechica on Aug 27, 2013 13:27:44 GMT -5
Yes. I will be going back to school for my JD before Matt's army contact expires. He will receive a pension from the Army starting at 20 years, disability from the VA, and he still has enough time to move into a government position with a pension and work the required 20 years to receive two government pensions. His injuries also make him eligible for social security disabilities payments too, if he chose to go that route. So, with me going back to work with a better degree after the kids are in school and all of his hard ass fucking work, I am excited/confident enough to say yes
God, he is worth so much more out of the Army than in, but only if he retires.