Help me with a religion. (updated in replies)

[sushi]

Fake Jew! Sorry, that's all I can think about with this.

The only jew for Jesus I've known actually was originally Jewish. Strongly identified as such. But she eventually believed in Jesus. I have no idea the whys of that transition.

Messianic Jews. Um. Yeah. They're the fake Jews. It's big in fundie world. The duggars have an Israeli flag in their home, have menorahs, I think I even saw a start of David necklace. Some even start to follow kosher, although not of the strict kind. Basically, they just avoid pork.

I am confused about the pledge and why you'd have to inform a sub. No child is required to stand or say it. They don't need a religious excuse even.

[sushi]

Also, I'm thinking these people are making up their traditions (in true messianic fashion) and counting on you not knowing anything about "Jew religion." You really didn't know the time frame for yom Kippur?

[bronxgirl]

Sept 29, 2013 1:58:46 GMT -5 @cinnamonstick said:

Messianic Jews aren't really Jews or Jewish. My eyeballs roll whenever someone uses that term.

This x1000

[wildfloweragain]

OK I have an update. They are not actually Messianic. I was able to talk to the mom today. She said it is often confused with Messianic (because of similar restrictions), but is not. This is not a christian-based religion. She said they do not have a "label" except that they are Jews. When I told her I was looking it up to reference, she said to look up "Ancient Hebrew Israelites." She also said that they are in the Hebrew Israelite faith nation, but sort of said it was not a title.

I did get a bunch more information, such as there are dietary restrictions, and a lot of good conversation about what would you have me do in the case if x?

I'm sorry if I offended anyone by saying Jew. The mom said they are Jews and it is a religion. But that they are not Jewish. I was looking for another religion where the people are called Jews. Normally I do not call people of the Jewish faith "Jew Religion People." I thought if I put Jew and Religion in the heading, someone who might have ideas would pop in. I didn't have a lot to go on.

Despite the restrictions, they seem pretty easy to work with. I think the lack of communication stems from their recent move and possibly being overwhelmed right now, rather than not wanting to communicate.

[gmail]

Yeah, I was going to suggest Hebrew Israelite. Not quite Messianic, but not Jewish.

Interesting!

Also, totally NOT offended by your title.

[cosmos]

Sept 28, 2013 21:12:33 GMT -5 carrotsmakemefat said:

Could it mean they are culturally a Jew but not practicing?

I am culturally/"ethnically"/was born a Jew, and not practicing but I most certainly call myself Jewish. I can't imagine any Jews I know not call themselves Jewish even if they are atheist. (I'm agnostic fwiw)

Sounds like one of the cults to me as opposed to real Jews. Eta: just saw your update.

[Deleted]

Sept 30, 2013 21:39:58 GMT -5 neener said:

I would love to meet these people, seriously. What I gather from Wiki is that they consider themselves true descendants of the ancient Israelite people and keep some traditions (but it varies greatly by community) and that they wouldn't consider themselves Jewish because mainstream Jewish communities don't consider them Jewish. "Hebrew" or "Israelite" are actually very descriptive, as that's what the ancient Jewish tribes were called in the Bible.

I'll hook you up with my crazy cousin.  If he hasn't "converted" back to Rastafarian by now.  

[thedutchgirl]

I wondered if they were Hebrew Israelites. I remember reading an article about them many years ago, when I lived in Cleveland. I found that article: www.clevescene.com/cleveland/the-cult-on-coventry/Content?oid=1480995#fromMobile

[sushi]

Interesting. I've never heard of this subgroup.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites

[wildfloweragain]

Sept 30, 2013 21:52:40 GMT -5 cosmos said:

Sept 28, 2013 21:12:33 GMT -5 carrotsmakemefat said:

Could it mean they are culturally a Jew but not practicing?

I am culturally/"ethnically"/was born a Jew, and not practicing but I most certainly call myself Jewish. I can't imagine any Jews I know not call themselves Jewish even if they are atheist. (I'm agnostic fwiw)

Sounds like one of the cults to me as opposed to real Jews. Eta: just saw your update.

She said people who call themselves Jewish are more culturally Jewish, not necessarily religious and that is why she doesn't call herself Jewish.  So, I think same line of thinking as you, but the opposite position.

[wildfloweragain]

Sept 30, 2013 21:57:10 GMT -5 @kirkette said:

Sept 30, 2013 20:29:53 GMT -5 wildfloweragain said:

OK I have an update. They are not actually Messianic. I was able to talk to the mom today. She said it is often confused with Messianic (because of similar restrictions), but is not. This is not a christian-based religion. She said they do not have a "label" except that they are Jews. When I told her I was looking it up to reference, she said to look up "Ancient Hebrew Israelites." She also said that they are in the Hebrew Israelite faith nation, but sort of said it was not a title.

I did get a bunch more information, such as there are dietary restrictions, and a lot of good conversation about what would you have me do in the case if x?

I'm sorry if I offended anyone by saying Jew. The mom said they are Jews and it is a religion. But that they are not Jewish. I was looking for another religion where the people are called Jews. Normally I do not call people of the Jewish faith "Jew Religion People." I thought if I put Jew and Religion in the heading, someone who might have ideas would pop in. I didn't have a lot to go on.

Despite the restrictions, they seem pretty easy to work with. I think the lack of communication stems from their recent move and possibly being overwhelmed right now, rather than not wanting to communicate.

Wait, so was I close in my previous post?

Yes.  Up that alley I believe.

[wildfloweragain]

Sept 30, 2013 22:01:22 GMT -5 thedutchgirl said:

I wondered if they were Hebrew Israelites. I remember reading an article about them many years ago, when I lived in Cleveland. I found that article: www.clevescene.com/cleveland/the-cult-on-coventry/Content?oid=1480995#fromMobile

Yikes.  So far these people have been accepting of others, and fine with having a white teacher. Also not vegetarian.  But this is the group.

[cosmos]

Oct 1, 2013 5:55:06 GMT -5 wildfloweragain said:

Sept 30, 2013 21:52:40 GMT -5 cosmos said:

I am culturally/"ethnically"/was born a Jew, and not practicing but I most certainly call myself Jewish. I can't imagine any Jews I know not call themselves Jewish even if they are atheist. (I'm agnostic fwiw)

Sounds like one of the cults to me as opposed to real Jews. Eta: just saw your update.

She said people who call themselves Jewish are more culturally Jewish, not necessarily religious and that is why she doesn't call herself Jewish.  So, I think same line of thinking as you, but the opposite position.

Interesting. I too had never heard of this particular group.

[Miss Phryne Fisher]

Sept 30, 2013 22:12:51 GMT -5 sushi said:

Interesting. I've never heard of this subgroup.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites

This is the religion that Antoine Dodson (hide your kids, hide your wife, etc.) converted to recently when he came out as straight. 

[gmail]

wildfloweragain

These were mailed around my area. Thought it was interesting, given the convo we all had about your student

jewishtimes.com/jewish-christian/#.UkweTRCOng1

[wildfloweragain]

Oct 2, 2013 8:25:10 GMT -5 gmail said:

wildfloweragain

These were mailed around my area. Thought it was interesting, given the convo we all had about your student

jewishtimes.com/jewish-christian/#.UkweTRCOng1

It turns out it is not a christian based. It is Hebrew Israelite. Thanks for thinking of me.