National "Don't Send Your Child To School Day"

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Oct 30, 2013 10:28:17 GMT -5 NitaX said:

Oct 30, 2013 9:59:53 GMT -5 eclaires said:

I'm not sure but I think this is right. I think people are resisting it on the states rights side because it is a federal standard? The standards are the same nationwide I think.

And I really like the standards based grading and curriculum from what I've seen. The rubric we got explaining their grades made a lot of sense and gives me a really good idea of how Jackson is doing vs just an A.

I could be wrong, but it's not a Federal Initiative (based on the webinar I attended last year - I could be foggy on this). My understanding is that this is really a state-driven initiative. The states themselves decided to be a part of it. It's not a Federal Gov't mandate. Isn't that correct tef

the curriculum is the state part.  the standards are national.   It is not a government mandate, but basically RTTT funds are tied to it, much like teacher and principal evals, so it basically is a mandate or no money for you.

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Oct 30, 2013 9:44:11 GMT -5 @mx said:

What the fuck is wrong with these people??

Do they not show up to work when someone enacts a new policy they don't like? What the hell are they teaching their children here?

I know! It's like shutting down the entire government and bringing the whole system to a halt, causing enormous waste and threatening the global economy, just because one law was passed that you don't li-

Oh. 

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Oct 30, 2013 11:44:47 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

I don't have a lot of time, sorry.

But to address a couple things:

1. @septimus wonders why standardized testing hate is directed at Common Core. It is because CC requires testing. It is inextricably linked to testing. Plus, again, Race to the Top districts, schools, and states have to have a growth model, meaning MORE standardized tests to prove the growth.

Will there be tests based on the Common Core State Standards?

Yes. States that adopted the Common Core State Standards are currently collaborating to develop common assessments that will be aligned to the standards and replace existing end of year state assessments. These assessments will be available in the 2014-2015 school year.

www.corestandards.org/resources/frequently-asked-questions


2. Septimus is also wrong when she states that a group of states got together. Governors (who can be assclowns) / the NGA got together with State School Officers (who can also be assclowns) created CC. RTTT is Arne Duncan's brainchild.

The CC just calls for 1 testing block a year though which is what we have now so that's not really any change. We are switching to PARCC next year. I don't know if that's good or bad, but I'd like to know where my kid stands nationally not just in the backwaters here. 

2. How is a group of Govs getting together not state initiated?  I agree it got a push with RTTT $$$ from the Feds but it isn't a Fed mandate.

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Oct 30, 2013 11:23:07 GMT -5 tef said:

Oct 30, 2013 10:28:17 GMT -5 NitaX said:

I could be wrong, but it's not a Federal Initiative (based on the webinar I attended last year - I could be foggy on this). My understanding is that this is really a state-driven initiative. The states themselves decided to be a part of it. It's not a Federal Gov't mandate. Isn't that correct tef

the curriculum is the state part.  the standards are national.   It is not a government mandate, but basically RTTT funds are tied to it, much like teacher and principal evals, so it basically is a mandate or no money for you.

Curriculum is chosen by a district, CCSS are adopted by each state... Or not.

[joenali]

Here is a great resource for CCSS in math!

www.rethinkmathematics.com/page5.html

[sushi]

Oct 30, 2013 10:13:22 GMT -5 secretlyevil said:

Oct 30, 2013 10:08:09 GMT -5 laurenpetro said:

i felt bad thinking that because you live there but that's immediately where i went. 

i am still bitter that you get to go ToTing when it's warm out, though.

It will be 84 Thursday. We got a minute of fall.

Don't be bitter when there are the years with encephalitis scares so they're crop dusting with all sorts of poisons and kids are completely lathered up and/or covered. Because I was a child of the 80s I had the joy of doing that AND being in a vinyl sweaty costume.

And then there were the years it was 85 until the day before and suddenly it was 60, and you had to figure out wtf to do about that.

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Oct 30, 2013 22:14:16 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

I also want to go on record and assert that the NGA, some politicians, and the business community want CC to cause test scores to go down. They want parents to view schools as a "train wreck" (Jeb Bush's word choice). Why? Because then parents will want vouchers and charters, which have undermined public education so greatly. Vouchers serve a conservative purpose, and charters serve a corporate purpose. Walla! "Reform."

I don't hate or fear the CC standards themselves. But they are entangled with a toxic measure-and-punish ideology.

I will agree with you here.

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Oct 30, 2013 22:00:34 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Oct 30, 2013 11:58:02 GMT -5 @septimus said:

The CC just calls for 1 testing block a year though which is what we have now so that's not really any change. We are switching to PARCC next year. I don't know if that's good or bad, but I'd like to know where my kid stands nationally not just in the backwaters here.

2. How is a group of Govs getting together not state initiated?  I agree it got a push with RTTT $$$ from the Feds but it isn't a Fed mandate.

You are missing the point that it is not going to be just one test, and you sure as fuck don't care what CC's testing dimension means for educators' jobs.  I've seen your view of teachers.

The NGA is funded by the Gates Foundation.  CC has corporate fingerprints all over it, not states' rights and local / grassroots control.  Plus, the DOE very cleverly skirted federal law by designing Race to the Top, in essence withholding federal money if states declined CC. No CC, no $.  How are you supposed to decline it?  This is not forthright nor earnest.  RttT comes with a fuckton of strings and mandates.  How is that not federal regulation?

You can contact Sylvan or NAEP or some shit and have your kid take the MAP if you want a ranking so badly.  

All I want is truth in education. Our district used to claim something like 87% of the kids were "advanced" in reading. They weren't advanced, it was just the TN standards were so low. The NYTs did a piece about 5 years ago about how a kid could be considered "advanced" on the TN TCAP and could score a "needs improvement" on the Mass MCAS. Aligning the standards is a very good thing for those of us in states that haven't taken education seriously in the past. 

Maybe it has been rolled out well here, but I've been impressed with the curriculum my kids have had so far. Granted we started school the first year CC was adopted so we don't know any differently.

[novaxmommy2aiden]

I home school Aiden anyway so....

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Oct 30, 2013 22:22:58 GMT -5 joenali said:

Oct 30, 2013 11:23:07 GMT -5 tef said:

the curriculum is the state part.  the standards are national.   It is not a government mandate, but basically RTTT funds are tied to it, much like teacher and principal evals, so it basically is a mandate or no money for you.

Curriculum is chosen by a district, CCSS are adopted by each state... Or not.

Not necessarily. We call it voluntary curriculum in Md. It's not.