Post by mominatrix on Feb 18, 2014 13:15:42 GMT -5
Idaho Bill Would OK Denial of Services to Gays, Single Mothers
BOISE • An Idaho lawmaker is pushing legislation that would allow businesses to deny services to gay people as long as they cited sincerely held religious beliefs.
Under the new bill, Idahoans would not lose their professional or occupational licenses if they refused to provide their services to an individual or a group because they were exercising their religion.
“We've seen the government attempt to come in and dictate who a church should hire for their personnel,” said state Rep. Lynn Luker, R-Boise, to the House State Affairs Committee. “We’ve seen the government mandate health care which requires businesses and individuals to support paying for … contraceptions against their religious feelings.“
Under the bill, doctors could deny providing medical treatment to gay people or even unmarried mothers and not lose their medical license. The same would be allowed for teachers to deny educating one of their students if they were gay. The bill would also allow psychologists to provide faith-based services as long as they cited they were exercising their religion.
The bill does not, Luker said, protect individuals from being fired if they do choose to deny someone for religious reasons.
Luker’s bill follows last year’s New Mexico Supreme Court decision that ruled in favor of a gay couple who sued a photographer for turning down their request to take pictures at their wedding.
The ruling has also caused Arizona lawmakers to introduce a bill similar to Luker’s but expands the religious exemption to those even without a professional license.
“We as a nation have almost divorced any association with a higher being,” Luker said.
The committee unanimously passed the bill but not without pressing Luker on what he meant by “sincerely held beliefs.“
Luker, a lawyer, responded that the phrase is found in was legal documents.
“But how do you prove your sincerely held beliefs?” asked state Rep. Eric Anderson, R-Priest Lake. “Are you going to bring people to court?“
businesses can decide not to provide services, that's legal people can decide not to provide services, that's legal ...but it doesn't say it's illegal for people to be fired for refusing to do their job.
So, if I'm reading this right:
Religion > teh gays Religion > business licenses but
Post by cattledogkisses on Feb 18, 2014 13:47:03 GMT -5
I... uh... well then.
Is this including single mothers because they're ASSuming that those women are Slutty McSluttersons who had sex outside of marriage, or because they're oh so sinfully divorced?
For that matter, are they also targeting single fathers? (Let me guess!)
Post by NewOrleans on Feb 18, 2014 14:08:12 GMT -5
OK, I can't stop being enraged about this.
Students regularly tell their teachers to fuck off, go to hell, shut the fuck up, leave me the fuck alone, you can't tell me what to do. You can't deny them an education based on those behaviors. But you CAN refuse to teach them because they're gay-- because of their identity? I AM SO SICK OF THIS SHIT. I AM SO FUCKING SICK OF THE CHRISTIAN FUCKING RIGHT WITH ITS BULLSHIT "LIBERTY." FUCK!
I don't even know where to start with this bullshit. So the right of children to have access to a public education is somehow less important than the "discomfort" of a teacher with a gay student? WTF.
ugh, i moved from florida to idaho and was all smug about no longer being associated with florida ass-hattery... way to go idaho.
i need to ask around and find out about this Luker DB
I thought Idaho was famous for crazy. Ruby Ridge, douchey abortion laws, a very strong anti-gay culture. eta: also, white supremacists.
Yeah, I learned about all of this after I moved here. Whomp whomp. And I really don't get this but they love the confederate flag, too. WHY?! It's such a beautiful state bull of idiots
I thought Idaho was famous for crazy. Ruby Ridge, douchey abortion laws, a very strong anti-gay culture. eta: also, white supremacists.
Yeah, I learned about all of this after I moved here. Whomp whomp. And I really don't get this but they love the confederate flag, too. WHY?! It's such a beautiful state bull of idiots
The long and short of it is in the Wiki I linked to: white supremacists encouraging their people to move to the PNW (Idaho, Montana, WA, Ore, Northern Cali, BC etc) in an effort to create a white homeland situation. It's fucking scary.
Students regularly tell their teachers to fuck off, go to hell, shut the fuck up, leave me the fuck alone, you can't tell me what to do. You can't deny them an education based on those behaviors. But you CAN refuse to teach them because they're gay-- because of their identity? I AM SO SICK OF THIS SHIT. I AM SO FUCKING SICK OF THE CHRISTIAN FUCKING RIGHT WITH ITS BULLSHIT "LIBERTY." FUCK!
it's OK! We'll just find another teacher to do the work, just like you bring in the second pharmacist to dispense BC! In fact, what if we put all the children of gay parents, the gay children, the bastard children, the Muslim children, and the non-baptized children in a special class together with a gay, Muslim, heretic, bastard teacher where they won't infect the rest of us!
And clearly the only thing > religion is big business. I mean what if I owned a business and I needed to fire a Muslim for wearing a head scarf that they refused to remove due to sincerely held religious beliefs? I would need to still be able to do that!
Denying someone medical care is a human rights issue. But color me surprised that whoever is writing/sponsoring this bill isn't well versed in human rights issues.
Yeah, I learned about all of this after I moved here. Whomp whomp. And I really don't get this but they love the confederate flag, too. WHY?! It's such a beautiful state bull of idiots
The long and short of it is in the Wiki I linked to: white supremacists encouraging their people to move to the PNW (Idaho, Montana, WA, Ore, Northern Cali, BC etc) in an effort to create a white homeland situation. It's fucking scary.
All you have to do is google these terms, and read the google results to begin to completely hate your fellow Americans, so be warned.
I've heard there's a large concentration of white supremacists in Coeur d'Alene - I'm in Boise and haven't seen any obvious groups around here. But I did see a ton of Confederate paraphernalia in (desolate) Eastern Oregon. It really is disgusting that they have a plan in place - that I had no idea about. Thanks (but not?) for the links. Ugh.
ugh, i moved from florida to idaho and was all smug about no longer being associated with florida ass-hattery... way to go idaho.
i need to ask around and find out about this Luker DB
I thought Idaho was famous for crazy. Ruby Ridge, douchey abortion laws, a very strong anti-gay culture. eta: also, white supremacists.
The Ruby Ridge business and white supremacists are pretty well contained in the wilds of northern ID. But the southern portion of the state, where most of the people are, is a Mormon stronghold; I suspect that's what's driving most of this crap.
I can't figure out how denying care to gay people reinforces your own religious beliefs. Or why providing medical care to gays and single mothers infringes upon your religion in any way.
Was Jesus infringed upon when he went among the lepers? Because come on.
Their very existence is offensive! LALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU!
I can't figure out how denying care to gay people reinforces your own religious beliefs. Or why providing medical care to gays and single mothers infringes upon your religion in any way.
Was Jesus infringed upon when he went among the lepers? Because come on.
It's not like the lepers CHOSE to have leprosy, LHC. Gosh!
I can't figure out how denying care to gay people reinforces your own religious beliefs. Or why providing medical care to gays and single mothers infringes upon your religion in any way.
Was Jesus infringed upon when he went among the lepers? Because come on.
Their very existence is offensive! LALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU!
OT, but I have got to understand what your sig is. My H and I can't figure it out. What the heck?!
Post by somersault72 on Feb 19, 2014 7:36:02 GMT -5
So, let me get this straight: I'm sure these clowns are anti-abortion (think of babies!!111!!), yet it's no problem to deny a pregnant woman prenatal care. Pro life indeed. ^o)