Should she be talking to the ABA? Or her STATE'S BAR? The ABA has nothing to do with licensing attorneys. That is a state role. ABA is just a professional organization.
I just can't imagine the ABA saying that calling yourself an attorney when you haven't passed ANY bar is NBD.
I am an RN with a BSN. I can put BSN behind my name all day long but can not refer to myself as a nurse had I not passed the licensure exam. I work in the school system and if my health paras refer to themselves as the nurse they get reprimanded. But they can also be prosecuted for practicing medicine without a license just by saying that they are the nurse.
2. Don’t refer to yourself as a “lawyer” or append “Esq.” to your name until you’ve successfully passed the bar. Falsely holding oneself out as a lawyer is among the activities that are generally found to constitute the unauthorized practice of law. You can generally indicate that you hold a J.D. degree—but only if it’s clear from the context that you are not attempting to hold yourself out as a lawyer. For example, while listing a J.D. degree on a resume is widely accepted, use of the credential in law firm marketing materials could be problematic absent a disclaimer that you have not yet passed the bar and are thus not licensed to practice law. So refrain from ordering business cards and letterhead until the positive bar results are in—only then are you a bona fide “lawyer.” For further information on the use of titles by lawyers, read “Tussle Over Titles—Ethics Opinions Wrangle With Terms Lawyers Use to Identify Themselves,” which appeared in the January 2006 edition of the ABA Journal.
Lots of people go to law school but don't practice law, but I would think most would still sit for the bar, but maybe not everyone.
Anyway, Megan Heimer is a total quack. When you call yourself "doctor" in a vaccine debate most intelligent people will assume you have a MD or a phD in something like immunology, etc. Not naturopathy. What the hell is that anyway?
2. Don’t refer to yourself as a “lawyer” or append “Esq.” to your name until you’ve successfully passed the bar. Falsely holding oneself out as a lawyer is among the activities that are generally found to constitute the unauthorized practice of law. You can generally indicate that you hold a J.D. degree—but only if it’s clear from the context that you are not attempting to hold yourself out as a lawyer. For example, while listing a J.D. degree on a resume is widely accepted, use of the credential in law firm marketing materials could be problematic absent a disclaimer that you have not yet passed the bar and are thus not licensed to practice law. So refrain from ordering business cards and letterhead until the positive bar results are in—only then are you a bona fide “lawyer.” For further information on the use of titles by lawyers, read “Tussle Over Titles—Ethics Opinions Wrangle With Terms Lawyers Use to Identify Themselves,” which appeared in the January 2006 edition of the ABA Journal.
huh.
so, taken together with what she said on her FB page, apparently you can't refer to yourself as a lawyer or use "Esq.", but calling yourself an "attorney" is A-OK.
I wonder why she's so stuck on graduating college when she was 19. If I would have stayed in state and had the college classes that I took in high school transfer, I would have easily have graduated at 19.
Lots of people go to law school but don't practice law, but I would think most would still sit for the bar, but maybe not everyone.
Anyway, Megan Heimer is a total quack. When you call yourself "doctor" in a vaccine debate most intelligent people will assume you have a MD or a phD in something like immunology, etc. Not naturopathy. What the hell is that anyway?
I'm still harping on the fact that even NDs should not be using the Dr title without having taken that quack board examination and been licensed, esp when said ND comes from a non-accredited mill.
To be clear I don't think any NDs should be allowed to claim the title of doctor or practice medicine because I think they're quacks, but that's for another thread.
I wonder why she's so stuck on graduating college when she was 19. If I would have stayed in state and had the college classes that I took in high school transfer, I would have easily have graduated at 19.
not to change the subject or anything, but I grew up near a college that specializes in graduating younger kids... and they were almost all a bit... off.
I wonder why she's so stuck on graduating college when she was 19. If I would have stayed in state and had the college classes that I took in high school transfer, I would have easily have graduated at 19.
Yeah it's not like she graduated at 15 or something. I graduated HS 2 weeks after turning 17. Now with running start and other programs through community colleges, you can graduate with an AA at high school graduation time. Tack on 2 years for a bachelors. Lots of kids are graduating college at 19. Not that impressive Meg.........
“Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes.”
― William Gibson
2. Don’t refer to yourself as a “lawyer” or append “Esq.” to your name until you’ve successfully passed the bar. Falsely holding oneself out as a lawyer is among the activities that are generally found to constitute the unauthorized practice of law. You can generally indicate that you hold a J.D. degree—but only if it’s clear from the context that you are not attempting to hold yourself out as a lawyer. For example, while listing a J.D. degree on a resume is widely accepted, use of the credential in law firm marketing materials could be problematic absent a disclaimer that you have not yet passed the bar and are thus not licensed to practice law. So refrain from ordering business cards and letterhead until the positive bar results are in—only then are you a bona fide “lawyer.” For further information on the use of titles by lawyers, read “Tussle Over Titles—Ethics Opinions Wrangle With Terms Lawyers Use to Identify Themselves,” which appeared in the January 2006 edition of the ABA Journal.
huh.
so, taken together with what she said on her FB page, apparently you can't refer to yourself as a lawyer or use "Esq.", but calling yourself an "attorney" is A-OK.
Blue skies, all the way.
So in addition to being a doctor and lawyer she's a legal ethicist too!
“Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes.”
― William Gibson
Post by mominatrix on Apr 18, 2014 11:20:16 GMT -5
OMG...
all that stuff on her FB page is gone... and she banned the people questioning her.
Thanks Amy. Janet has been banned. That won't keep her from making another fake profile but if she attempts to post again under any false pretense (which I find ironic) - she will be removed.
You mean disabling them? Yeah my comment (to another poster, which was actually RESPECTFUL - I'll C&P it) was gone inside of 10 minutes. For someone (Dr. Megan Heimer who is not an attorney, doctor, or intellectual powerhouse by any stretch of the imagination) who likes to reference "sciency" sounding stuff, she's awfully afraid of the scientific method. Why is that "scary"? The MMR vaccine has been safely used for decades, and no correlation between cancer and the vaccine has ever been reported, much less demonstrated. I suspect that (for instance) the tincture you added to your kale smoothie this morning has also "never been tested for carcinogenic outcomes" but that doesn't mean that it is likely to cause cancer. Same with the tea you drank (actually, black tea consumption HAS been linked to increased cancer risk, as has Vitamin E, selenium and fish oil, so maybe those are bad examples). Can you point to something else that is anxiety-inducing in the insert? I'm a scientist (actual, with a Ph.D. and everything) and would be happy to explain anything that sounds scary.
Post by mominatrix on Apr 18, 2014 11:21:50 GMT -5
my very favorite FB comment on her page:
These people attempting to defame your character and credibility are running scared. They have nothing left in their pathetic arsenal. This is good news, even though it is a hassle, it means you are winning.
Post by NewOrleans on Apr 18, 2014 11:22:39 GMT -5
I know exactly what Jesus would say to Megan. "Having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another."
As for her fundie pets, He would counsel them to beware of false prophets.
These people attempting to defame your character and credibility are running scared. They have nothing left in their pathetic arsenal. This is good news, even though it is a hassle, it means you are winning.
I don't think she frequently butts up against a board full of actual lawyers. I feel weirdly validated.
I do, too. I keep telling my husband and my mom that this board is different than other message boards. I'm guessing it's different than anything Megan Heimer, who spreads misinformation and lies, has ever run up against.
Her time in law school and being married to a "doctor" aside, I think Megan probably doesn't hang out with many doctors and lawyers in real life, either. She's probably be a little more humble about her education if that was the case.