So, this happened yesterday. Heads will roll - UPDATED.PG 2

[acuore]

Apr 17, 2014 13:47:25 GMT -5 chalupa said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:44:29 GMT -5 acuore said:

Oh, for god's sake, missing one snack is not going to do permanent harm.  It's not like she sent him to summer camp and they ddeprived him of meals for a week straight.  Were this my child, i would have probably asked for a sit-down with the teacher to try to figure out what exactly happened (something that still is not known) and to let him know that withholding snack is not a punishment I agree with.  oP's response simplly strikes me as out of proportion to the offense.  

So, you'd place your child in a DC that does not conform to the local laws?

IF the child really was not offered an alternative snack, i would as I said have a sit down with the teacher, point out that it is againtst regulations and I don't want it to happen again, and perhaps touch base with the administration.  I would not let my blood pressure skyrocket, freak out, and start screeching like a harpy for the tracher to be fired, no. 

[deanlicker78]

LOL that anything up to being beaten is fine.

Its illegal! Its illegal for a reason. She has every right to be this upset.

My phone sucks.

[hopecounts]

Apr 17, 2014 12:27:55 GMT -5 sugarbear said:

So what happens now? The teacher is on vacation, but director got him on the phone. He lied to her, which you know and the director agrees with (that he lied).

Shouldn't he just be fired? What else is there?

My guess is the director is following protocol to make sure there are no further issues once he is fired.
So he comes in Monday they have a sit down he is fired and gone by 8:30. 
just so it is all on the up and up if the teacher tries to make a further ass of himself and lets be honest a guy who puts a kid in TO for spilling and doesn't give the kid snack is an ass so it's entirely possible he'd bring a nuisance suit.

[acuore]

Apr 17, 2014 13:51:52 GMT -5 chalupa said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:50:37 GMT -5 acuore said:

I don't know, millions of children were "sent to bed without dinner" as a pubishment for generations without it ruining their lives.  It's certainly not something I would do, but it does not rise to the level of abuse.  Also, I do not think it is at all clear what exactly happened, what the chronology was, etc., and until the teacher is able to fully respond I think it is premature to be sharpening the guillotine.  

Regardless, take a step back and look at what hactually happened.  The kid didn't have snack.  He was hungry.  Period.  (Well, until his mother flipped out.)

Oh hai newbie. Soo...you're a Chicago local, yes?

No, though i do have family in Chicago.  But I've had this profile ever since the migration from the Nest.  I just rarely post. I won't be creating any Amazon wishlists, anyway. 

[Deleted]

Go laz! You're handling this perfectly.

I'd be trying so hard not to lose my shit.

[Deleted]

I flipped out when the Gymboree on the Go program left Madeline standing in the classroom crying one day because they'd lost her form even though she'd been going for a year. She was so upset and told me for days, and I got upset that they didn't let her go and deal with me on the form later. That was a freaking activity and music class.

This is food! I don't care if it's a snack or a meal. You don't deprive kids of food. End of story.

Laz you were totally right. Don't let anyone make you feel like you didn't act how you should have.

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2014 13:44:29 GMT -5 acuore said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:40:40 GMT -5 jillianashley6 said:

Are you fucking kidding me with this shit?

Food is a basic need. If Laz cannot trust her childcare provider to provide for a basic need, then something is seriously wrong.

Oh, for god's sake, missing one snack is not going to do permanent harm.  It's not like she sent him to summer camp and they ddeprived him of meals for a week straight.  Were this my child, i would have probably asked for a sit-down with the teacher to try to figure out what exactly happened (something that still is not known) and to let him know that withholding snack is not a punishment I agree with.  oP's response simplly strikes me as out of proportion to the offense.  

I literally feel sorry for your children.

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2014 13:53:06 GMT -5 acuore said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:47:25 GMT -5 chalupa said:

So, you'd place your child in a DC that does not conform to the local laws?

IF the child really was not offered an alternative snack, i would as I said have a sit down with the teacher, point out that it is againtst regulations and I don't want it to happen again, and perhaps touch base with the administration.  I would not let my blood pressure skyrocket, freak out, and start screeching like a harpy for the tracher to be fired, no. 

Who did this?


I sure didn't.

[deanlicker78]

Apr 17, 2014 13:53:06 GMT -5 acuore said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:47:25 GMT -5 chalupa said:

So, you'd place your child in a DC that does not conform to the local laws?

IF the child really was not offered an alternative snack, i would as I said have a sit down with the teacher, point out that it is againtst regulations and I don't want it to happen again, and perhaps touch base with the administration.  I would not let my blood pressure skyrocket, freak out, and start screeching like a harpy for the tracher to be fired, no. 

That's great! Because that's not how Laz handled it. So we're all in agreement. Now stop talking.

My phone sucks.

[bigoleworm]

Apr 17, 2014 13:31:09 GMT -5 acuore said:

Ok, I get being upset if the teacher is lying (which is not certain at this point). I do not think that depriving a child of a snack is a good idea.  

However, I think this is a major overreaction.  Your son was hungry for a few hours.  No child has ever died from being hungry for a few hours.  He'll live.  It's not like they beat him or locked him in a dark closet or something.  

My youngest is also 5. At his school he was crying during snack time for days because he thought he would get in trouble for not finishing his food. 
His teacher and the assistant teacher then started giving him one of whatever he had for snack (grapes, goldfish, etc) and when he wanted more, they gave him more. This was all done with my knowledge and consent. 
I would cut a bitch if after all this work to get him over this fear of not finishing food, someone took it away as a punishment. 
This is a big deal and it isn't an overreaction. Food issues start this young and you don't want this poor child associating food with punishment. 

Not to mention it is against the law and against this contract that was signed. This is not just about missing a snack and being hungry for a little while. This is about a punishment that was unjust and a situation that has the potential to lead to even bigger problems. 

Good for you OP for fighting for your child. 

[acuore]

Apr 17, 2014 13:55:15 GMT -5 @lazerus24 said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:44:29 GMT -5 acuore said:

Oh, for god's sake, missing one snack is not going to do permanent harm.  It's not like she sent him to summer camp and they ddeprived him of meals for a week straight.  Were this my child, i would have probably asked for a sit-down with the teacher to try to figure out what exactly happened (something that still is not known) and to let him know that withholding snack is not a punishment I agree with.  oP's response simplly strikes me as out of proportion to the offense.  

I literally feel sorry for your children.

Really?  That's all you got? Why not throw my husband in for good measure?  

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2014 13:50:37 GMT -5 acuore said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:41:27 GMT -5 @melissainabq said:

No. She's not overreacting. Withholding food to punish a child is not acceptable. And it doesn't matter if Laz showed up five minutes or five hours later. It's not ok. 

I don't know, millions of children were "sent to bed without dinner" as a pubishment for generations without it ruining their lives.  It's certainly not something I would do, but it does not rise to the level of abuse.  Also, I do not think it is at all clear what exactly happened, what the chronology was, etc., and until the teacher is able to fully respond I think it is premature to be sharpening the guillotine.  

Regardless, take a step back and look at what hactually happened.  The kid didn't have snack.  He was hungry.  Period.  (Well, until his mother flipped out.)

So you don't post much, and didn't actually read the whole thread, either? 

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2014 13:55:14 GMT -5 @melissainabq said:

I flipped out when the Gymboree on the Go program left Madeline standing in the classroom crying one day because they'd lost her form even though she'd been going for a year. She was so upset and told me for days, and I got upset that they didn't let her go and deal with me on the form later. That was a freaking activity and music class.

This is food! I don't care if it's a snack or a meal. You don't deprive kids of food. End of story.

Laz you were totally right. Don't let anyone make you feel like you didn't act how you should have.

Oh, I won't. LOL.

[alicenelson]

I do not have children, nor a maternal bone in my body, and this makes ME rage!  I hope this is satisfactorily resolved, Laz.

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2014 13:56:47 GMT -5 acuore said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:55:15 GMT -5 @lazerus24 said:

I literally feel sorry for your children.

Really?  That's all you got? Why not throw my husband in for good measure?  

Tell me how you handle your hisband and I can form an opinion on that.

[thebuddhagouda]

Apr 17, 2014 13:53:06 GMT -5 acuore said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:47:25 GMT -5 chalupa said:

So, you'd place your child in a DC that does not conform to the local laws?

IF the child really was not offered an alternative snack, i would as I said have a sit down with the teacher, point out that it is againtst regulations and I don't want it to happen again, and perhaps touch base with the administration.  I would not let my blood pressure skyrocket, freak out, and start screeching like a harpy for the tracher to be fired, no. 

But that's pretty much what she did. The screeching has all been here. She said she had a calm discussion with the director, and the teacher is out of town.

[hopecounts]

Apr 17, 2014 13:50:37 GMT -5 acuore said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:41:27 GMT -5 @melissainabq said:

No. She's not overreacting. Withholding food to punish a child is not acceptable. And it doesn't matter if Laz showed up five minutes or five hours later. It's not ok. 

I don't know, millions of children were "sent to bed without dinner" as a pubishment for generations without it ruining their lives.  It's certainly not something I would do, but it does not rise to the level of abuse.  Also, I do not think it is at all clear what exactly happened, what the chronology was, etc., and until the teacher is able to fully respond I think it is premature to be sharpening the guillotine.  

Regardless, take a step back and look at what hactually happened.  The kid didn't have snack.  He was hungry.  Period.  (Well, until his mother flipped out.)

Have you ever read anything on child development and RAD?
Food is a source of comfort and security for young children one of the quickest ways to undermine a child is to restrict/remove food inappropriately as the teacher did. 
Yes it was one snack, but given that the teacher further lied about it I would want him gone as who knows what else he might do or lie about since he clearly has no concept of appropriate expectations and punishments for 5 yr olds.

[acuore]

Apr 17, 2014 13:56:06 GMT -5 @lazerus24 said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:53:06 GMT -5 acuore said:

IF the child really was not offered an alternative snack, i would as I said have a sit down with the teacher, point out that it is againtst regulations and I don't want it to happen again, and perhaps touch base with the administration.  I would not let my blood pressure skyrocket, freak out, and start screeching like a harpy for the tracher to be fired, no. 

Who did this?


I sure didn't.

"RAGE."

"Seriously. HEADS ARE GOING TO ROLL ."

"HOW FUCKING DARE YOU WITHHOLD FOOD FROM MY CHILD AS PUNISHMENT YOU MOTHERFUCKER. FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT."

This is you calm collected, and reasonable?  Now I'm starting to feel sorry for your kids. 

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@stellasmom


Would you at least be upset by the fact that the reacher recorded nothing about this and didn't even tell you?


That you found out because your kid was complaining about being hungry and then the truth came out? Would you be ok with the cover up?


Not to mention another kid got hit in the face with a chair and that parent wasn't informed?

[acuore]

Apr 17, 2014 13:58:54 GMT -5 thebuddhagouda said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:53:06 GMT -5 acuore said:

IF the child really was not offered an alternative snack, i would as I said have a sit down with the teacher, point out that it is againtst regulations and I don't want it to happen again, and perhaps touch base with the administration.  I would not let my blood pressure skyrocket, freak out, and start screeching like a harpy for the tracher to be fired, no. 

But that's pretty much what she did. The screeching has all been here. She said she had a calm discussion with the director, and the teacher is out of town.

She is trying to get the teacher fired.  That is a strong reaction. 

[acuore]

Apr 17, 2014 13:59:43 GMT -5 hopecounts said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:50:37 GMT -5 acuore said:

I don't know, millions of children were "sent to bed without dinner" as a pubishment for generations without it ruining their lives.  It's certainly not something I would do, but it does not rise to the level of abuse.  Also, I do not think it is at all clear what exactly happened, what the chronology was, etc., and until the teacher is able to fully respond I think it is premature to be sharpening the guillotine.  

Regardless, take a step back and look at what hactually happened.  The kid didn't have snack.  He was hungry.  Period.  (Well, until his mother flipped out.)

Have you ever read anything on child development and RAD?
Food is a source of comfort and security for young children one of the quickest ways to undermine a child is to restrict/remove food inappropriately as the teacher did. 
Yes it was one snack, but given that the teacher further lied about it I would want him gone as who knows what else he might do or lie about since he clearly has no concept of appropriate expectations and punishments for 5 yr olds.

As i said in my very first post, IF the teacher is lying (and this has not been established beyond a reasonable doubt!), I would have a serious problem with that.  

[thebuddhagouda]

Apr 17, 2014 14:00:39 GMT -5 acuore said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:56:06 GMT -5 @lazerus24 said:

Who did this?


I sure didn't.

"RAGE."

"Seriously. HEADS ARE GOING TO ROLL ."

"HOW FUCKING DARE YOU WITHHOLD FOOD FROM MY CHILD AS PUNISHMENT YOU MOTHERFUCKER. FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT."

This is you calm collected, and reasonable?  Now I'm starting to feel sorry for your kids. 

Can you really not grasp that there is very much a difference between venting to your friends and talking to the daycare director ?

[berbles]

Apr 17, 2014 14:00:39 GMT -5 acuore said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:56:06 GMT -5 @lazerus24 said:

Who did this?


I sure didn't.

"RAGE."

"Seriously. HEADS ARE GOING TO ROLL ."

"HOW FUCKING DARE YOU WITHHOLD FOOD FROM MY CHILD AS PUNISHMENT YOU MOTHERFUCKER. FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT."

This is you calm collected, and reasonable?  Now I'm starting to feel sorry for your kids. 

Come back when you learn how to read.  The whole thread, not just the parts that support your inaccurate argument.

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2014 14:00:39 GMT -5 acuore said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:56:06 GMT -5 @lazerus24 said:

Who did this?


I sure didn't.

"RAGE."

"Seriously. HEADS ARE GOING TO ROLL ."

"HOW FUCKING DARE YOU WITHHOLD FOOD FROM MY CHILD AS PUNISHMENT YOU MOTHERFUCKER. FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT."

This is you calm collected, and reasonable?  Now I'm starting to feel sorry for your kids. 

Honestly, because I have to remain calm to have my voice heard.


If I went in there all "BURN IT DOWN MOTHAFUCKERS" I would not be taken seriously.


I want to chase the guy out of the building with a pitchfork. But I am my childs strongest advocate. If I let my emotions get the best of me - my voice is weaker.

Did you miss this?? LOL.

Who is this chick??



Read more: pandce.proboards.com/thread/314798/happened-yesterday-heads-roll-updated?page=5#page=2#ixzz2zAicbPct

[hopecounts]

Apr 17, 2014 14:01:15 GMT -5 acuore said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:58:54 GMT -5 thebuddhagouda said:

But that's pretty much what she did. The screeching has all been here. She said she had a calm discussion with the director, and the teacher is out of town.

She is trying to get the teacher fired.  That is a strong reaction. 

No it's an appropriate reaction. 
He inappropriately punished a 5 yr old for a normal 5 yr old accident (spilling juice if that is true) by taking his snack and putting him in TO. 
Not remotely OK and indicates he does not have the necessary knowledge or skills to be working in a 5 yr old classroom. So he needs to be gone.

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2014 14:01:15 GMT -5 acuore said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:58:54 GMT -5 thebuddhagouda said:

But that's pretty much what she did. The screeching has all been here. She said she had a calm discussion with the director, and the teacher is out of town.

She is trying to get the teacher fired.  That is a strong reaction. 

Um, no.


I am pretty sure never said this.


Other posters did.

[acuore]

Apr 17, 2014 14:03:12 GMT -5 thebuddhagouda said:

Apr 17, 2014 14:00:39 GMT -5 acuore said:

"RAGE."

"Seriously. HEADS ARE GOING TO ROLL ."

"HOW FUCKING DARE YOU WITHHOLD FOOD FROM MY CHILD AS PUNISHMENT YOU MOTHERFUCKER. FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT."

This is you calm collected, and reasonable?  Now I'm starting to feel sorry for your kids. 

Can you really not grasp that there is very much a difference between venting to your friends and talking to the daycare director ?

Sure.  But there's venting, and there's crazy, irrational venting.  If I called up a friend and started screaming about "mother fucking pieces of shit" etc., I would have crossed the line into crazy and irrational.  

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2014 14:02:37 GMT -5 acuore said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:59:43 GMT -5 hopecounts said:

Have you ever read anything on child development and RAD?
Food is a source of comfort and security for young children one of the quickest ways to undermine a child is to restrict/remove food inappropriately as the teacher did. 
Yes it was one snack, but given that the teacher further lied about it I would want him gone as who knows what else he might do or lie about since he clearly has no concept of appropriate expectations and punishments for 5 yr olds.

As i said in my very first post, IF the teacher is lying (and this has not been established beyond a reasonable doubt!), I would have a serious problem with that.  

Would you trust a teacher over your child? One that is clearly either trying to save his job or not get in trouble.

[ECB]

Apr 17, 2014 14:00:52 GMT -5 @lazerus24 said:

Would you at least be upset by the fact that the reacher recorded nothing about this and didn't even tell you?


That you found out because your kid was complaining about being hungry and then the truth came out? Would you be ok with the cover up?


Not to mention another kid got hit in the face with a chair and that parent wasn't informed?

This is really the bigger concern here.  If he didn't report any of this and then uses an illegal punishment, what else is he doing to her child AND other kids? 

[berbles]

Apr 17, 2014 14:05:36 GMT -5 acuore said:

Apr 17, 2014 14:03:12 GMT -5 thebuddhagouda said:

Can you really not grasp that there is very much a difference between venting to your friends and talking to the daycare director ?

Sure.  But there's venting, and there's crazy, irrational venting.  If I called up a friend and started screaming about "mother fucking pieces of shit" etc., I would have crossed the line into crazy and irrational.  

Hmm, I'd call it Thursday.

WTF is your point?


Please, give me another example of a teacher BREAKING THE LAW w/r/t your kids that you wouldn't be so breezy about.  How far does he have to go?