It sickens me those children are dead but I'm angry at 3 sides. Hamas storing rockets there, Israel for firing and the U.N: for not knowing rockets were there.
I absolutely feel for both sides but it's tough for me not to blame the other when they purposefully hide weapons in civilians locations. They using them as shields and propaganda tactics.
It sickens me those children are dead but I'm angry at 3 sides. Hamas storing rockets there, Israel for firing and the U.N: for not knowing rockets were there.
I absolutely feel for both sides but it's tough for me not to blame the other when they purposefully hide weapons in civilians locations. They using them as shields and propaganda tactics.
Sorry but they should not be taking out places like this even if weapons are stored there.
Oh no, they have plenty of friends and rabid supporters. It's why they haven't been wiped off the map by a UN coalition yet. They have so much political pull that they're able to pull this off.
It sickens me those children are dead but I'm angry at 3 sides. Hamas storing rockets there, Israel for firing and the U.N: for not knowing rockets were there.
I absolutely feel for both sides but it's tough for me not to blame the other when they purposefully hide weapons in civilians locations. They using them as shields and propaganda tactics.
Israel has complained about this many times, that Hamas violates the "rules of war" by utilizing hospitals, housing units, and schools for storage of weapons and launching attacks.
Oh no, they have plenty of friends and rabid supporters. It's why they haven't been wiped off the map by a UN coalition yet. They have so much political pull that they're able to pull this off.
Oh no, they have plenty of friends and rabid supporters. It's why they haven't been wiped off the map by a UN coalition yet. They have so much political pull that they're able to pull this off.
I wanted to like this out of wholehearted agreement, not at all because I actually like the essence of the ridiculousness of the facts that you stated in a very clear & concise manner.
There was a time in the history of CEP where conversations such as these would have been met with "you're being anti Semetic." And really I haven't heard that once in all these convos. I think the narrative is shifting.
Flameworthy opinion: If I was on either side of the conflict, I would just give up. That piece of land has ruined too many. The God of either religion could not possibly want all this bloodshed and horror that both sides are guilty of. I would just want some peace once and for all, more than I want to be on the land of my ancestors.
There was a time in the history of CEP where conversations such as these would have been met with "you're being anti Semetic." And really I haven't heard that once in all these convos. I think the narrative is shifting.
I only remember Shoshie hinting at that once saying the conversation was making her sick but that was a long time ago.
Flameworthy opinion: If I was on either side of the conflict, I would just give up. That piece of land has ruined too many. The God of either religion could not possibly want all this bloodshed and horror that both sides are guilty of. I would just want some peace once and for all, more than I want to be on the land of my ancestors.
Flameworthy opinion: If I was on either side of the conflict, I would just give up. That piece of land has ruined too many. The God of either religion could not possibly want all this bloodshed and horror that both sides are guilty of. I would just want some peace once and for all, more than I want to be on the land of my ancestors.
You are thinking like a rational person who just wants to live in Peace. The folks who are commanding people to blow stuff up are kinda lacking that gene.
It sickens me those children are dead but I'm angry at 3 sides. Hamas storing rockets there, Israel for firing and the U.N: for not knowing rockets were there.
I absolutely feel for both sides but it's tough for me not to blame the other when they purposefully hide weapons in civilians locations. They using them as shields and propaganda tactics.
Israel has complained about this many times, that Hamas violates the "rules of war" by utilizing hospitals, housing units, and schools for storage of weapons and launching attacks.
Right because obviously Israel has NO OTHER CHOICE but to kill children and other civilians if weapons are somewhere in the same building.
It's hard for bystanders to see what Israel's end game in this is. So they say they're not going to stop the invasion until they've wiped out all they tunnels and weapons caches they can. Ok fine, that makes sense from a military point of view. I guess. They're there now, they're losing international support by the minute, they might as well see this through. It's probably their one shot for the time being. But then what? What are they doing to make sure that all of the relatives of those poor dead people don't throw themselves heart and soul behind Hamas or worse so that they don't have this problem pop up AGAIN in 5-10 years? That's the part I don't quite get.
Flameworthy opinion: If I was on either side of the conflict, I would just give up. That piece of land has ruined too many. The God of either religion could not possibly want all this bloodshed and horror that both sides are guilty of. I would just want some peace once and for all, more than I want to be on the land of my ancestors.
do yourself a favor and don't have this convo with anyone i went to camp with. i've had every discussion ultimately shut down with "you can't understand because you're not jewish". which is super helpful in progressing ideas.
I posted yesterday in the longer thread that Israel has started to bomb the houses of relatives of the people suspected of killing the three Israelie teenagers. They are doing this in the West Bank. The people who killed the teenagers are not in the places being bombed and Israel knows this. Punitive home demolitions they are called. I think it's beyond effed up.
I've been going back to the question here about what is Israel's end game. As much as one side is saying that Hamas' goal is to wipe Israel off the map and take back all that land, it seems to me as if that's also the goal of Israel. I know folks say Israel's goal is a two-state solution but I'm not sure I really believe that if there was a cease-fire that everything else would end-would the restrictions end into Gaza? Would they not try for more settlements?
I don't know. If there was a terrorist group in Mexico, that the Mexican government couldn't or wouldn't contain, planting bombs and firing rockets on Texas, I imagine we'd do what we could to blow the shit out of them in Mexico and collateral damage would be what it was. Didn't the US war in Iraq cause the deaths of over 100,000 civilians, and the war in Afghanistan also kill many thousands of civilians, because they were supposedly hiding Bin Laden/Al Quada, who'd attacked the US?
I don't think this is good; but it's clear that that's why Hamas uses schools, hospitals, and private residences as ammo storage locations, to gain world outrage when Israel strikes those locations. If you hide behind human shields, someone's going to shoot those shields; and that's the point of using them. It's triangulating the argument.
We're still killing people in Afghanistan with the drones. I saw some people protesting about it in Ithaca over the weekend. It's sad to say but I don't think many people know or care because it doesn't affect us here.
But do you remember the rhetoric after 9/11? That there's be Hell to pay, that we should "bomb them back into the Stone Age," turn Afghanistan into a parking lot in the desert, etc. It's hypocritical of us to pretend we wouldn't react in the same way (as either side really). It's such a mess.
There was a time in the history of CEP where conversations such as these would have been met with "you're being anti Semetic." And really I haven't heard that once in all these convos. I think the narrative is shifting.
Some people are thinking it; they just aren't posting it.
I don't know. If there was a terrorist group in Mexico, that the Mexican government couldn't or wouldn't contain, planting bombs and firing rockets on Texas, I imagine we'd do what we could to blow the shit out of them in Mexico and collateral damage would be what it was. Didn't the US war in Iraq cause the deaths of over 100,000 civilians, and the war in Afghanistan also kill many thousands of civilians, because they were supposedly hiding Bin Laden/Al Quada, who'd attacked the US?
I don't think this is good; but it's clear that that's why Hamas uses schools, hospitals, and private residences as ammo storage locations, to gain world outrage when Israel strikes those locations. If you hide behind human shields, someone's going to shoot those shields; and that's the point of using them. It's triangulating the argument.
We're still killing people in Afghanistan with the drones. I saw some people protesting about it in Ithaca over the weekend. It's sad to say but I don't think many people know or care because it doesn't affect us here.
But do you remember the rhetoric after 9/11? That there's be Hell to pay, that we should "bomb them back into the Stone Age," turn Afghanistan into a parking lot in the desert, etc. It's hypocritical of us to pretend we wouldn't react in the same way (as either side really). It's such a mess.
I disagree that many US people wouldn't be pissed if that happened with Mexico.
I wish we'd hear more (or anything?) about the people we are killing in Afghanistan and elsewhere. If we heard about the US bombing school children pretty much anywhere I think you'd see equal outrage.
Some people are thinking it; they just aren't posting it.
They're sort of posting it. When someone tells you that your sympathy for Palestine's position = being pro-Hamas, it's basically the same thing.
Similar but different. "You just hate Jews" used to be the go to response for all this. Now it's "you just love terrorists."
I mean there was a time in this country that you could NEVER disagree with the actions of Israel w/out being called a horrid name. Not that long ago at all.
We're still killing people in Afghanistan with the drones. I saw some people protesting about it in Ithaca over the weekend. It's sad to say but I don't think many people know or care because it doesn't affect us here.
But do you remember the rhetoric after 9/11? That there's be Hell to pay, that we should "bomb them back into the Stone Age," turn Afghanistan into a parking lot in the desert, etc. It's hypocritical of us to pretend we wouldn't react in the same way (as either side really). It's such a mess.
I disagree that many US people wouldn't be pissed if that happened with Mexico.
I wish we'd hear more (or anything?) about the people we are killing in Afghanistan and elsewhere. If we heard about the US bombing school children pretty much anywhere I think you'd see equal outrage.
A quick google search brings up a US gov estimate that we've killed 2400 people with the drones over five years. Many admittedly civilians.
Oh no, they have plenty of friends and rabid supporters. It's why they haven't been wiped off the map by a UN coalition yet. They have so much political pull that they're able to pull this off.
Maybe the US. Who else?
I think people are over it.
I'm so sick of seeing US politicians take a stand on this. I wish they'd just shut up.