If you had read this whole thread you would have known that no one was trashing the little girl.
You're sure that "It was plagiarized." isn't a bit like trashing? I think you it is.
Are you're not trashing the DOUCHE BAG who went on Facebook and complained that a 12-year-old was popularizing a study somewhat similar to his published work when he could really "use that kind of exposure."
Wow! You completely refuted every argument I made!
But seriously, do you see this 12-year-old's science fair as PLAGIARISM? And if so, please explain why.
I'll play.
Because there is scientific value in reproducing the results of a prior experiment. There is also scientific value in taking an experiment that has already been conducted and tweaking it or pushing it further to see what happens. And it would appear that that is what your daughter did. Sadly, that is not what she said she did. She implied that she conceived of the very notion that this invasive species could exist in fresh water, when she did not. And not only was it not her idea, but it was someone else's already published idea. And that, sadly, is plagiarism.
Ok, I see your point. However, can you really expect a 12-year-old to play by the same scholarship rules as a scientist? I mean, you really think each science fair project is preceded by months of reading the literature? I think that's silly. You're plagiarism argument hangs on that premise, which is silly.
BTW, you imply that she didn't tweak his study. I don't know what she did with "six fish tanks" but he collected samples from the wild. I assume she raised lionfish in captivity in tanks of different salinity. That's actually quite a tweak. (Of course, she gets no credit because OBVIOUSLY no 12-year-old could come up with such a complex design.) I think that's actually why Dr. Jud is so pissed off; his study is arguably far more informative about this narrow issue.
Again, my main point is that Dr. Zack Jud is clearly a whiny, DOUCHE BAG. I am indeed an angry little elf that he is soo shallow that he goes on FB and complains about this 12-year-old's science fair project eclipsing his brilliance.
And just to keep this in line with the GBCN mission, what you are doing is modeling bad behavior. I feel sorry for your child(ren). I also feel sorry for your spouse because your comments and your go-to "you're stupid stupid stupid" sound like the comments of someone who doesn't "fight fair" and probably bullies everyone in the house to fall in line with whatever selfserving, flawed vision you're wedded to.
I'm sure you're right. I have no idea what the guidelines are here. This was top of a google search on "zack jud douche bag" and the OP doesn't understand science or plagiarism, so... If GIF's are any sign of enjoyment, people seem to be enjoying the show.
It seems to me as if her project in and of itself was not plagiarism though. Based on the timeline provided by the third party, it seems like it was a unique and legit variant experiment based on previous work that was appropriately cited in the actual project. I definitely think this was a case of the media "running away" with the dramatic headline. Unfortunately her "hey guys what about the river" statement is pretty damning and I am going to guess that she got a little carried away and it was up to someone like her dad to reign it in...and it is well within the realm of possibility that he tried to do that and the media was all "nah that isn't the story here..." My former career was in media relations (and actually in this local market) and I have sat in on interviews where the story that comes out is very different than what I heard in the interview. Bit players (even if they are relevant) don't always make an appearance.
This is weird. Someone needs therapy. Were you dumped by him or something droffthedeepend?
Who googles (name) douchebag?
Jilted lover.
So here's my scenario - Dad and the student had a torrid affair. They part amicably. But then Dad rips off the research for his daughter's science fair project. Dad gets all butthurt that his former secret lover is calling his precious a plagiarist and BAM! We get this where he's oddly fixated on calling the guy a douche bag.
So here's my scenario - Dad and the student had a torrid affair. They part amicably. But then Dad rips off the research for his daughter's science fair project. Dad gets all butthurt that his former secret lover is calling his precious a plagiarist and BAM! We get this where he's oddly fixated on calling the guy a douche bag.
Dude. There are other fish in the sea. If you love something, catch and release.
It seems to me as if her project in and of itself was not plagiarism though. Based on the timeline provided by the third party, it seems like it was a unique and legit variant experiment based on previous work that was appropriately cited in the actual project. I definitely think this was a case of the media "running away" with the dramatic headline. Unfortunately her "hey guys what about the river" statement is pretty damning and I am going to guess that she got a little carried away and it was up to someone like her dad to reign it in...and it is well within the realm of possibility that he tried to do that and the media was all "nah that isn't the story here..." My former career was in media relations (and actually in this local market) and I have sat in on interviews where the story that comes out is very different than what I heard in the interview. Bit players (even if they are relevant) don't always make an appearance.
I'm the second author on a paper. The last interview I did, I said the first author's name no less than 4 times. I spelled it twice. I gave his contact information. He doean't show up at all in any of the press materials. I felt terrible, but knew how he felt because two years ago when I was first author the exact same thing happened. I'm not being quick to condemn the girl here. If the story is exactly as the media presented it, she and her famiky are to blame for sure, but, even if it's not, I also don't blame Jud for being miffed.
The OP is The Atlantic. I'm pretty sure they understand what plagiarism is. Also, considering the amount of involvement you had in your daughter's project, I would think authenticity would be something everyone was being cognisant of. Unless all you were seeing was fame and fortune. At your daughters expense and detriment, not less. So no, I don't expect a twelve year old to be able to parse out what constituted originality, v. plagiarism. But I do expect her.Svengali parents to have a handle on it.
That's your argument: "I'm pretty sure"?!? I can tell you were summa cum laude.
Well, I'm pretty sure they're completely clueless -- the difference between you and I is that I've explained why.
So let's address the father: He's a dick; I agree. He clearly was aware of Jud's research.
But what do you expect him to do? He should have said to NPR: "No, don't interview my daughter. You should interview Dr. Zack Jud because he's the real brains behind this."?
The OP is The Atlantic. I'm pretty sure they understand what plagiarism is. Also, considering the amount of involvement you had in your daughter's project, I would think authenticity would be something everyone was being cognisant of. Unless all you were seeing was fame and fortune. At your daughters expense and detriment, not less. So no, I don't expect a twelve year old to be able to parse out what constituted originality, v. plagiarism. But I do expect her.Svengali parents to have a handle on it.
But what do you expect him to do? He should have said to NPR: "No, don't interview my daughter. You should interview Dr. Zack Jud because he's the real brains behind this."?