It isn't that stupid. If it was that easy to become an in-state student, like every student from out of state (at like every state school) would become an in-state student.
I think it's stupid that there is a huge price different for in-state and out of state, particularly at a graduate level. I can see it a little more for undergrad since presumably many students are still living at home during breaks and will return to the home state after graduation (I know not everyone does....myself included).
When someone is 32 years old and lives somewhere 100% of the time for several years and doesn't have any ties to another state, I think they should be considered a resident of the state they live in. Or at least shouldn't have to pay 3x what an in-state student pays.
To be fair, the only reason why he doesn't have a tie to another state is because his ties are to another country. It isn't like all of his geographical ties are to Iowa. As you noted, he moved to Iowa just for school. I don't think it is unfair that he should then have to pay out-of-state tuition. Or at least, I don't think his case for in-state tuition is any more compelling than any other student's.
If all it took to be an in-state student was to stay there year-round and get a driver's license, there would be a huge incentive for all students to become in-state students as soon as they could. What do you think that would do to tuition for everyone?
Hahaha, sunnysideup488 here, I will be your personal trainer for free:
Step 1: Do a shitton of Crossfit for 1.5 years. End up lying on a dirty floor in a pool of your own sweat, totally exhausted, on a regular basis. Step 2: Wake up one morning and realize that oh, working out a lot has changed your body! Step 3: Find the most flattering position possible and take a picture.
Congratulations, you have achieved baby six pack status.
How can I get one without laying in a pool of my own sweat?
I cannot stop laughing at the tosa thing. I might even wake up my sleeping baby who went to bed at 4AM. She is the least controversial person ever, actually posted kind, helpful and on-topic things, and has barely even been to GBCN.
I don't know who mimi is, and while I appreciate her naming names, it would be better if it was an actual GBCN poster. It's like if we started talking shit about anka. Wrong decade.
I think it's stupid that there is a huge price different for in-state and out of state, particularly at a graduate level. I can see it a little more for undergrad since presumably many students are still living at home during breaks and will return to the home state after graduation (I know not everyone does....myself included).
When someone is 32 years old and lives somewhere 100% of the time for several years and doesn't have any ties to another state, I think they should be considered a resident of the state they live in. Or at least shouldn't have to pay 3x what an in-state student pays.
To be fair, the only reason why he doesn't have a tie to another state is because his ties are to another country. It isn't like all of his geographical ties are to Iowa. As you noted, he moved to Iowa just for school. I don't think it is unfair that he should then have to pay out-of-state tuition. Or at least, I don't think his case for in-state tuition is any more compelling than any other student's.
If all it took to be an in-state student was to stay there year-round and get a driver's license, there would be a huge incentive for all students to become in-state students as soon as they could. What do you think that would do to tuition for everyone?
I was an out of state student but then gained instate residency doing just that. Got a license, stayed over the summer and took classes with a pt job. I think there was a small income requirement bit not much.
i be typing from me phone. typos and grammer dont count.
Every time I hear a story about a dog, I realize how similar dogs are to toddlers. @crackhabbit
After Cookie's post last week re: her husband and his young coworker, I totally snooped through H's web and text history. ::blushes::
Was there a Cookie update? I haven't been back over to look.
There was, but it was deleted. It sounds like everything's OK, and he's doing what needs to be done. It seemed, to me at least, that he was being sincere that he didn't mean anything by it.
Yeah, that's exactly the issue. He lived in LA for the first several years he was in the states. He moved to Iowa just for school. If he wanted in state tuition, he'd have to live here without being a student for a period of time - I can't recall if it is 6 months or a year.
IMO it's stupid - his permanent residence is here and he's here year round. He's not going back to LA. He has an Iowa drivers license. But for tuition purposes he's not a resident since he wasn't a resident before enrolling. If he was married to someone who was here for non-educational reasons, he'd be considered a resident.
It isn't that stupid. If it was that easy to become an in-state student, like every student from out of state (at like every state school) would become an in-state student.
And also, the tuition is more expensive for non state residents because Iowa taxpayers subsidize the tuition price for instate students. It should be a hard status to earn, and that's purposeful.
*I have this discussion daily with out-of-state students
Hahaha, sunnysideup488 here, I will be your personal trainer for free:
Step 1: Do a shitton of Crossfit for 1.5 years. End up lying on a dirty floor in a pool of your own sweat, totally exhausted, on a regular basis. Step 2: Wake up one morning and realize that oh, working out a lot has changed your body! Step 3: Find the most flattering position possible and take a picture.
Congratulations, you have achieved baby six pack status.
How can I get one without laying in a pool of my own sweat?
I think it's stupid that there is a huge price different for in-state and out of state, particularly at a graduate level. I can see it a little more for undergrad since presumably many students are still living at home during breaks and will return to the home state after graduation (I know not everyone does....myself included).
When someone is 32 years old and lives somewhere 100% of the time for several years and doesn't have any ties to another state, I think they should be considered a resident of the state they live in. Or at least shouldn't have to pay 3x what an in-state student pays.
To be fair, the only reason why he doesn't have a tie to another state is because his ties are to another country. It isn't like all of his geographical ties are to Iowa. As you noted, he moved to Iowa just for school. I don't think it is unfair that he should then have to pay out-of-state tuition. Or at least, I don't think his case for in-state tuition is any more compelling than any other student's.
If all it took to be an in-state student was to stay there year-round and get a driver's license, there would be a huge incentive for all students to become in-state students as soon as they could. What do you think that would do to tuition for everyone?
Well, in this specific case that's not entirely true either. He grew up in London but as soon as he went off to college, his family left England and his parents have lived in a few countries - they are currently in Germany. He lived in LA for several years when he came to the states, but has no family there either. He doesn't really have a "home" other than where he lives. And he lives in Iowa. But regardless, I'm not saying my BF in particular should receive special treatment, I just think that graduate students who move their lives to another state for several years to attend grad school should get in-state rates, or maybe there shouldn't be an in-state/out of state rate for grad school. I would guess a majority of students earning a PhD have to relocate to attend a particular program, so I think it's unfair to charge them more.
To be fair, the only reason why he doesn't have a tie to another state is because his ties are to another country. It isn't like all of his geographical ties are to Iowa. As you noted, he moved to Iowa just for school. I don't think it is unfair that he should then have to pay out-of-state tuition. Or at least, I don't think his case for in-state tuition is any more compelling than any other student's.
If all it took to be an in-state student was to stay there year-round and get a driver's license, there would be a huge incentive for all students to become in-state students as soon as they could. What do you think that would do to tuition for everyone?
Well, in this specific case that's not entirely true either. He grew up in London but as soon as he went off to college, his family left England and his parents have lived in a few countries - they are currently in Germany. He lived in LA for several years when he came to the states, but has no family there either. He doesn't really have a "home" other than where he lives. And he lives in Iowa. But regardless, I'm not saying my BF in particular should receive special treatment, I just think that graduate students who move their lives to another state for several years to attend grad school should get in-state rates, or maybe there shouldn't be an in-state/out of state rate for grad school. I would guess a majority of students earning a PhD have to relocate to attend a particular program, so I think it's unfair to charge them more.
I didn't know he had a British accent. This changes everything.
I am considering pilfering four butterfly binder clips from the office supply room at work for use on my duvet. I haven't done it yet. It is not ethical. But I don't feel like spending $6 and going to Bed Bath and Beyond for real ones.
Oh? How does this work? The duvet, not the stealing part lol
My flameful is that I just paid a $7 delivery fee on a $5 soup order from a place that is only 6 blocks from our house. I'm totally fine with it since my H gave me his stupid cold and I am an achy, snotty mess with chills. I'm probably not leaving my bed today except to go to the bathroom.
This is not flammable. I hate being sick. I hope you feel better soon!
To be fair, the only reason why he doesn't have a tie to another state is because his ties are to another country. It isn't like all of his geographical ties are to Iowa. As you noted, he moved to Iowa just for school. I don't think it is unfair that he should then have to pay out-of-state tuition. Or at least, I don't think his case for in-state tuition is any more compelling than any other student's.
If all it took to be an in-state student was to stay there year-round and get a driver's license, there would be a huge incentive for all students to become in-state students as soon as they could. What do you think that would do to tuition for everyone?
Well, in this specific case that's not entirely true either. He grew up in London but as soon as he went off to college, his family left England and his parents have lived in a few countries - they are currently in Germany. He lived in LA for several years when he came to the states, but has no family there either. He doesn't really have a "home" other than where he lives. And he lives in Iowa. But regardless, I'm not saying my BF in particular should receive special treatment, I just think that graduate students who move their lives to another state for several years to attend grad school should get in-state rates, or maybe there shouldn't be an in-state/out of state rate for grad school. I would guess a majority of students earning a PhD have to relocate to attend a particular program, so I think it's unfair to charge them more.
So living somewhere for 18 of your 32 years makes it less of a home than the place you moved to for a few years to attend school?
Also, I do not understand why you think grad students deserve special treatment. Are there no PhD-granting institutions in California or England? Is he really that different from the kid from Delaware who decides to go to UVA undergrad because it is one of the very best schools in the country and because his state doesn't have a school of that caliber?
Well, in this specific case that's not entirely true either. He grew up in London but as soon as he went off to college, his family left England and his parents have lived in a few countries - they are currently in Germany. He lived in LA for several years when he came to the states, but has no family there either. He doesn't really have a "home" other than where he lives. And he lives in Iowa. But regardless, I'm not saying my BF in particular should receive special treatment, I just think that graduate students who move their lives to another state for several years to attend grad school should get in-state rates, or maybe there shouldn't be an in-state/out of state rate for grad school. I would guess a majority of students earning a PhD have to relocate to attend a particular program, so I think it's unfair to charge them more.
I didn't know he had a British accent. This changes everything.
Post by daisypaloma on Jul 29, 2014 12:54:44 GMT -5
I thought state residents of universities/colleges get resident tuition breaks because they/or their parents have worked and paid taxes within the state for a certain number of years? Did your bf worked and paid taxes within the state for a number of years?
I think it's stupid that there is a huge price different for in-state and out of state, particularly at a graduate level. I can see it a little more for undergrad since presumably many students are still living at home during breaks and will return to the home state after graduation (I know not everyone does....myself included).
When someone is 32 years old and lives somewhere 100% of the time for several years and doesn't have any ties to another state, I think they should be considered a resident of the state they live in. Or at least shouldn't have to pay 3x what an in-state student pays.
I have to disagree. The idea behind in-state tuition is that the residents of that state have been supplementing the cost of that university through paying taxes to their state governments. Whether you are in undergrad or graduate school, if you come from out of state you haven't been paying those same taxes. Why should you get to pay lower rates when you are going to school full time and likely making very little, if any, taxable income in that state? That makes no sense.
If someone has lived there for several years as a tax-paying resident then yes, they should get in-state tuition. But the fact that your BF has lived there for three years while going to school full time means he likely hasn't paid much, if anything, into the state taxes that support the in-state school. They charge him a premium to go there because of that fact and I think that is totally fine.
Eh, maybe I'm just pissed that grad school is so expensive
Also, I think only like 10% of a state school's budget comes from the state, so maybe out of state students should pay 10% more. I think in this case (not sure about ALL state colleges) out of state students pay about 300% more. I know I'm being overly simplistic with that suggestion.
I'm not sure how flameful or scandalous this is but here goes. I have mentioned before that H received a diagnosis recently and his doctor has ordered him to cut out all alcohol. He was becoming obsessed with craft beer - spending more than he should on it, drinking more than he should and was about to get into home brewing which I wasn't a fan of. This has put a stop on it and that makes me very happy. I'm not happy he has health issues but I am happy that this has curbed a hobby that was spiraling out of control.
I hope that things get better for you guys and that Mr. monsterz' health improves. I am totally team you.
Thanks. He is going to see another doctor on Friday and will hopefully get more details. I told him that when I get back from my next trip the unhealthy eating will stop so he can lose the weight he needs to.
Oh? How does this work? The duvet, not the stealing part lol
Lol. I went to go look up as soon as I read the post.
I have been avoiding duvet covers for years because of this. I already started looking at a few since reading this .
I had ones with clips for years, but our most recent one has ties inside that you tie to the corners of the comforter. MAGIC!!!! So much better than the clips (which tend to come undone -- but I can see how binder clips would be better in that respect).
So I highly recommend one like that, if you can find one (or else I'm sure you could sew ties on, if you know how to sew).
Well, in this specific case that's not entirely true either. He grew up in London but as soon as he went off to college, his family left England and his parents have lived in a few countries - they are currently in Germany. He lived in LA for several years when he came to the states, but has no family there either. He doesn't really have a "home" other than where he lives. And he lives in Iowa. But regardless, I'm not saying my BF in particular should receive special treatment, I just think that graduate students who move their lives to another state for several years to attend grad school should get in-state rates, or maybe there shouldn't be an in-state/out of state rate for grad school. I would guess a majority of students earning a PhD have to relocate to attend a particular program, so I think it's unfair to charge them more.
So living somewhere for 18 of your 32 years makes it less of a home than the place you moved to for a few years to attend school?
Also, I do not understand why you think grad students deserve special treatment. Are there no PhD-granting institutions in California or England? Is he really that different from the kid from Delaware who decides to go to UVA undergrad because it is one of the very best schools in the country and because his state doesn't have a school of that caliber?
I think you're really stretching here.
I guess I'm in the minority here on this topic
Truthfully, I get it that there have to be rules to apply to everyone regardless of circumstances. I am really not in support of charging out of state tuition to anyone at all, but I understand it more for an undergrad. I don't know the statistics on it but it's probably safe to say that the majority of undergrads live in their home state at least part of the year and many will return to their home state after graduation. So, I think it is kind of "fair" that if they are only attending school in one state that they can't be residents. But truthfully I think good students should be able to pick any school in any state that has the best program and it should be affordable to attend. I think it's harmful to the programs and the students if there is a huge financial incentive NOT to attend.
My BF does not live in England, hasn't lived in England in 10 years, and won't ever live in England again, so I don't really see that part as relevant to the current situation. You could maybe argue he's more a California resident but it's unlikely he'll ever live there again, either, and he doesn't have a mailing address or anything there. So he's just a resident of nowhere, I guess. I don't think he actually could get in-state tuition there OR in England at this point (if such a thing exists) since he doesn't live in either place. I guess that's what I think is screwy about these policies.
I moved to Iowa for a job, but didn't grow up here and don't intend to stay here forever. Does that mean I'm not a resident just because I moved here for a specific career related purpose for a few years? Obviously not. I'm not sure it should be different for students who move to a state for similar reasons.
(BTW this has totally gotten off my original topic, lol.)
@buckybells I'm curious why the program doesn't have enough funding for their students. They don't have any teaching assistantships available?
Honestly, I don't know why. They do have several assistantships, but not enough for every student. I honestly think it's because it's a counseling psychology program and there is enough interest without them. People will go into that field regardless of money. He's applied for others in other areas but it's competitive.
FTR, he's got an excellent academic record, has several publications, etc so it's not personal. It's just that the assistantship he had last year may not continue this year, and there are not as many "new" assistantships available for existing students. They are all either filled by people continuing from the previous year, or I assume by 1st year students who are being lured into the program with promises of funding
Post by explorer2001 on Jul 29, 2014 13:23:22 GMT -5
I am considering filing a medical malpractice suit against a surgeon. There are several issues 1) surgeon screwed up and didn't follow reasonable protocol given my history resulting in an infection, emergency second surgery to repair damage, hospital stay, etc. 2) the on call was horrible, actually told me to drive myself to the hospital after the incision split open and I told her I was going into shock and could not use my right arm. 3) over 9+ months of physical therapy were required to restore reasonably normal function to my right arm ( I'm right handed). 4) Almost 2 years later I still have pain issues and diminished function and depending on my doctors response may need life time PT or drugs to maintain reasonable function and quality of life.
So living somewhere for 18 of your 32 years makes it less of a home than the place you moved to for a few years to attend school?
Also, I do not understand why you think grad students deserve special treatment. Are there no PhD-granting institutions in California or England? Is he really that different from the kid from Delaware who decides to go to UVA undergrad because it is one of the very best schools in the country and because his state doesn't have a school of that caliber?
I think you're really stretching here.
I guess I'm in the minority here on this topic
Truthfully, I get it that there have to be rules to apply to everyone regardless of circumstances. I am really not in support of charging out of state tuition to anyone at all, but I understand it more for an undergrad. I don't know the statistics on it but it's probably safe to say that the majority of undergrads live in their home state at least part of the year and many will return to their home state after graduation. So, I think it is kind of "fair" that if they are only attending school in one state that they can't be residents. But truthfully I think good students should be able to pick any school in any state that has the best program and it should be affordable to attend. I think it's harmful to the programs and the students if there is a huge financial incentive NOT to attend.
My BF does not live in England, hasn't lived in England in 10 years, and won't ever live in England again, so I don't really see that part as relevant to the current situation. You could maybe argue he's more a California resident but it's unlikely he'll ever live there again, either, and he doesn't have a mailing address or anything there. So he's just a resident of nowhere, I guess. I don't think he actually could get in-state tuition there OR in England at this point (if such a thing exists) since he doesn't live in either place. I guess that's what I think is screwy about these policies.
I moved to Iowa for a job, but didn't grow up here and don't intend to stay here forever. Does that mean I'm not a resident just because I moved here for a specific career related purpose for a few years? Obviously not. I'm not sure it should be different for students who move to a state for similar reasons.
(BTW this has totally gotten off my original topic, lol.)
Well, couldn't he have gotten in-state tuition by just moving to Iowa and working for a year before starting school? If anything, it is easier for a 32 year old to do something like that than for a dependent undergrad to.
I went to both college and law school in states I had no intention of staying in, but I also had no intention of returning to my home state. I don't think that's all that uncommon among grads or undergrads (particularly among students who leave their home states for school). I'd imagine many, many Iowa PhD students from out of state leave Iowa right after graduation.
You say "But truthfully I think good students should be able to pick any school in any state that has the best program and it should be affordable to attend. I think it's harmful to the programs and the students if there is a huge financial incentive NOT to attend." -- Why is that any more applicable to grad students than to undergrad students? Obviously there's a huge tuition crisis in America right now, but I don't know that we should be crying for the poor Anglocalifornian Iowa PhD students who had funding for at least 2 years (and couldn't figure out that funding wasn't guaranteed for the other years -- why exactly???) any more than we should be for the many, many other students (at all sorts of levels) who are in similar or worse or far worse positions tuition-wise.
I honestly don't understand the need for clips or ties in using a duvet. Throw the comforter inside, shake it out a little--voila. My comforter doesn't move around inside the duvet. Are people buying king-sized duvets for their queen-sized comforters or something?
The duvet does slide around inside a bit which I guess is what people find annoying? Meh, I don't want to deal with clips or the like, so I will just shake it back into shape if that happens.