It is how things with money go, though. It's exactly how things with money go.
You say that like that makes it right. I mean, we can shrug our shoulders about unarmed people being shot by police, too, because it happens right? What can you do?
I said that the realistic choices are luxury high rise with separate affordable units, or luxury high rise. It's not mixed use building with common elevator and a sing-along on Friday nights. I support the inclusion of some cheap places on the ground floors, and I doubt anyone would be bitching about their entrance if they won the literal lottery it would take to get in.
Post by Velar Fricative on Aug 18, 2014 14:42:03 GMT -5
What gets me is the shitty attitudes of developers like this asshat David Von Spreckelson:
"No one ever said that the goal was full integration of these populations," said David Von Spreckelsen, senior vice president at Toll Brothers. "So now you have politicians talking about that, saying how horrible those back doors are. I think it's unfair to expect very high-income homeowners who paid a fortune to live in their building to have to be in the same boat as low-income renters, who are very fortunate to live in a new building in a great neighborhood."
Developers are perfectly entitled to generate their project funding without accepting state incentives and have whatever kind of exclusive shit they want. They should not be allowed to use state dollars to create a second-class resident status just so that rich people can pretend they don't actually live in New York.
I said that the realistic choices are luxury high rise with separate affordable units, or luxury high rise. It's not mixed use building with common elevator and a sing-along on Friday nights. I support the inclusion of some cheap places on the ground floors, and I doubt anyone would be bitching about their entrance if they won the literal lottery it would take to get in.
Uhm, why exactly isn't it possible for the poor to share a door with the rich?
Actually, IRL, I send my very own for-realz dollars to help support the homeless in the downtown east side of Vancouver. I volunteer helping with refugee settlement. I care about the poor. I help the poor, with time and money. I just don't really think this development is THAT wrong. I don't really think it will make what is wrong with the world worse in any significant way.
Actually, IRL, I send my very own for-realz dollars to help support the homeless in the downtown east side of Vancouver. I volunteer helping with refugee settlement. I care about the poor. I help the poor, with time and money. I just don't really think this development is THAT wrong. I don't really think it will make what is wrong with the world worse in any significant way.
Actually, IRL, I send my very own for-realz dollars to help support the homeless in the downtown east side of Vancouver. I volunteer helping with refugee settlement. I care about the poor. I help the poor, with time and money. I just don't really think this development is THAT wrong. I don't really think it will make what is wrong with the world worse in any significant way.
Do you have poor friends too?
I grew up poor. Do I get points for that? I'll even say I didn't overcome my poorness via boostraps.
Actually, IRL, I send my very own for-realz dollars to help support the homeless in the downtown east side of Vancouver. I volunteer helping with refugee settlement. I care about the poor. I help the poor, with time and money. I just don't really think this development is THAT wrong. I don't really think it will make what is wrong with the world worse in any significant way.
Will it make it better? Because the ENTIRE point of these developments is to try to make the wealth gap and the stratification of the classes just a leeettle bit better. So if it doesn't do that, then they should scrap the whole tax incentive mixed income plan.
I think it would make it a tiny bit better for those people, assuming they will be able to work in proximity to where they live. And that things would be a tiny bit better if more affordable units exist, period, in a really tight market for such units.
I said that the realistic choices are luxury high rise with separate affordable units, or luxury high rise. It's not mixed use building with common elevator and a sing-along on Friday nights. I support the inclusion of some cheap places on the ground floors, and I doubt anyone would be bitching about their entrance if they won the literal lottery it would take to get in.
Uhm, why exactly isn't it possible for the poor to share a door with the rich?
I'm sure they do at Macy's, ffs!
Like the uber rich shop would dare deign to shop at Macy's. We all know slummin' it is a trip to "Nordy's" or "Bloomy's".
"Hmm, yes, but how can we pay lip service to the spirit of the finance program while still making sure the lottery tenants don't actually think they deserve to live here?"
Actually, IRL, I send my very own for-realz dollars to help support the homeless in the downtown east side of Vancouver. I volunteer helping with refugee settlement. I care about the poor. I help the poor, with time and money. I just don't really think this development is THAT wrong. I don't really think it will make what is wrong with the world worse in any significant way.
"Not improvement" isn't much better than "makes things worse" and shouldn't be lauded as anything great. I would argue this does make things worse. At its core the idea that someone should just be grateful that the rich are allowing them a place to live is an extremely unsavory idea, and it is harmful.
Question for my NY posters. Is there a true housing shortage in NY? Or is it like Chicago where there are tons of properties on the market but only like three that you would actually want to live in AND can afford?
There is a true shortage for people who qualify for the 80/20 program, which has an income limit of a little under $35k for a family of four.
For a family of 2 with incomes of $50k and above it's difficult but not impossible to find a decent place in a good neighborhood. But if you have kids and need anything larger than a 2bed/1bath, its pretty cost prohibitive unless your HHI is nearing $100k.
"Hmm, yes, but how can we pay lip service to the spirit of the finance program while still making sure the lottery tenants don't actually think they deserve to live here?"
"How about a separate entrance?"
"Perfect."
This is some separate but equal nonsense and it didn't work during Jim Crow and it doesn't work now.
Question for my NY posters. Is there a true housing shortage in NY? Or is it like Chicago where there are tons of properties on the market but only like three that you would actually want to live in AND can afford?
For the non-affluent, yes. Unless you want to live far from Manhattan. Then it's not so bad. I live in Podunk NYC and there is no shortage here even with several neighborhoods being destroyed by Hurricane Sandy, and it's pretty affordable to live here. The commute to the good jobs in Manhattan blows though.
I think this is a load of bullshit, clearly. And if developers are taking tax credit or whatnot to do this than I am definitely calling bullshit. I guess I don't know how bad the affordable housing crisis is though to say if I think they should be made to put a stop to it. What I mean is I do think they should put a stop to it, but if developers stop building the affordable units and just forego tax credits or whatnot how much of a problem is that going to cause citywide.
Separate doors...I mean really?! WTF is that. I can see if you build a super nice gym that you then include membership to that as an incentive to buy (I mean it's normal for developers to throw in incentives so I get that). But I can't believe they would turn around and then deny access for people in the affordable housing to buy-in at any price. That is completely messed up, although the rates they would charge would assure no one would probably buy-in anyway but the way they are doing it is completely discriminatory and obnoxious
Will it make it better? Because the ENTIRE point of these developments is to try to make the wealth gap and the stratification of the classes just a leeettle bit better. So if it doesn't do that, then they should scrap the whole tax incentive mixed income plan.
I think it would make it a tiny bit better for those people, assuming they will be able to work in proximity to where they live. And that things would be a tiny bit better if more affordable units exist, period, in a really tight market for such units.
Yeah I don't think the actual point of the development is to mix social classes per say but merely to make sure middle income people aren't completely priced out of Manhattan altogether.
Personally, I would be thrilled to win an opportunity to rent in that building. It's a desirable location that truly MC and UMC people could never afford on their own at market rates.