"forcible fondling" RAAAGE!!

[ginger]

Whoa.

[zoomzoom]

That completely sucks. Did the asshole also remind the girls not to wear short skirts or V-neck tops, too? FFS.

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Sept 18, 2014 13:48:30 GMT -5 jillianashley6 said:

Wait. Where is she? UTexas? Because helllll no. My good friend is VP of Student Affairs there and she would be ALL over this.

I think it's Tennessee

[cville]

Find that kid. Send him to me. I'll take care of that little piece of shit.

[Deleted]

Omg! And I want to kick that jackass in the nuts for saying something like that. "Well, don't be a douche and put yourself in these positions and you won't get kick in the balls". Asshole.

[Muddled]

That's awful. I hope everyone is outraged and there is a movement to change this.

Is "forcible fondling" a misdemeanor vs. a sexual assault felony?

[wambam]

That's terrible. WTH is the definition of forcible fondling anyways?

In my HS student manual, they listed "felonious sexual penetration" as something that was a no-no. I never did figure out what that meant.

[thinkofthesoldiers]

Jesus christ. Between this and my other post, I quit. Fuck them all. Go straight to hell.

[cville]

Sept 18, 2014 13:53:21 GMT -5 wambam said:

That's terrible. WTH is the definition of forcible fondling anyways?

In my HS student manual, they listed "felonious sexual penetration" as something that was a no-no. I never did figure out what that meant.

Oh, it's "if we call it a sexual assault, which it actually is, we'd be compelled by our charter and the law to address it."

[kirra]

Sept 18, 2014 13:54:25 GMT -5 cville said:

Sept 18, 2014 13:53:21 GMT -5 wambam said:

That's terrible. WTH is the definition of forcible fondling anyways?

In my HS student manual, they listed "felonious sexual penetration" as something that was a no-no. I never did figure out what that meant.

Oh, it's "if we call it a sexual assault, which it actually is, we'd be compelled by our charter and the law to address it."

And disclose it to parents on their annual crime report.

[cville]

Okay, here is the notice: utpolice.utk.edu/files/2014/09/Safety-Notice-CSA-Forcible-Fondling-09-18-2014-4.pdf

And "forcible fondling" is apparently defined as a sex offense: utpolice.utk.edu/files/2013/04/CSA-Reporting-Form.pdf (see the definitions).

It's not that bad, in the sense that the "consent" portion of the notice includes what I'd want to see, at a minimum. The whole "we're taking appropriate follow up measures. . ." Hmmm. I wonder what would happen if they were to receive multiple calls, daily, on what those follow up measures are.

[fryjack2]

Wtf?!

How is being in your dorm putting yourself in these situations? Douchebag.

[cville]

Sept 18, 2014 14:01:24 GMT -5 TR said:

Sept 18, 2014 14:00:34 GMT -5 cville said:

Okay, here is the notice: utpolice.utk.edu/files/2014/09/Safety-Notice-CSA-Forcible-Fondling-09-18-2014-4.pdf

And "forcible fondling" is apparently defined as a sex offense: utpolice.utk.edu/files/2013/04/CSA-Reporting-Form.pdf (see the definitions).

It's not that bad, in the sense that the "consent" portion of the notice includes what I'd want to see, at a minimum. The whole "we're taking appropriate follow up measures. . ." Hmmm. I wonder what would happen if they were to receive multiple calls, daily, on what those follow up measures are.

@crackhabit can take it from here

Ha.  I meant from concerned parents, but I take your point.  

[Deleted]

I am right there raging with you that is awful, disgusting and fucking wrong

[stellas]

Sept 18, 2014 14:01:03 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

Wtf?!

How is being in your dorm putting yourself in these situations? Douchebag.

Someone should tell him to avoid being alone with girls and to keep his hands in his pockets 24/7. You know, to keep himself out of a potentially bad situation.

[fryjack2]

Sept 18, 2014 14:34:30 GMT -5 stellas said:

Sept 18, 2014 14:01:03 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

Wtf?!

How is being in your dorm putting yourself in these situations? Douchebag.

Someone should tell him to avoid being alone with girls and to keep his hands in his pockets 24/7. You know, to keep himself out of a potentially bad situation.

Right? He just scared away every girl who may have been interested in dating him.

He may also need a Duggar to chaperone his dates in the future. Just in case he can't control his urges.

[iamali]

I just can't anymore.

This boggles my mind.

[balletofangels]

Sept 18, 2014 13:52:42 GMT -5 frkls said:

Sept 18, 2014 13:51:40 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Is she at UT Knox? B/c this is very much the general atmosphere there. It's kind of scary.

yep. 


i hear the university of maryland is lovely. LOL!

As a graduate of this fine school, I can agree with you!

So scary about her current school.

[swimmette]

Well...According to Title 9 rules implemented this year for all higher education institutions that accept federal funding, all acts of sexual inappropriateness (or whatever you want to call them) must be reported to the entire campus in an effort to keep all students safe.  HOWEVER, because students are over the age of 18, campus reporters may NOT contact authorities for any reported assault, the victim must be the one to report the assault.  Campus is only required to make the incident known to all of campus to alert that there is an issue.  In addition, it may not be known who the victim is - if an employee overhears a student talking about it then it must be reported to Title 9 campus delegates, even if the student identity is unknown.

And, from what I understand, the incident must be made public even if charges are only pending.  So charges may be pending, but Title 9 is not a criminal investigation.

[WOT?*]

Sept 18, 2014 14:43:14 GMT -5 balletofangels said:

Sept 18, 2014 13:52:42 GMT -5 frkls said:

yep. 


i hear the university of maryland is lovely. LOL!

As a graduate of this fine school, I can agree with you!

So scary about her current school.

I'm hoping that she's not being tongue-in-cheek

--married to a Terp (third generation) who would not put up with this shit.

[mrsrumfkin]

FFS! This is why students should go to LOCAL police for assault cases. Schools only want to cover that shit. Fucking bullshit. A friend of mine in college was straight up raped (no drugs, no alcohol, not past curfew, in a goddamn parka) and the school didn't lift a finger to help. But the local police did. It's SO hard to have the courage to tell authorities once, let alone again and again... Because schools clearly don't give a damn about assault, it should be policy that local police take those files. /soapbox

[mellymel]

Sept 18, 2014 13:53:21 GMT -5 wambam said:

That's terrible. WTH is the definition of forcible fondling anyways?

In my HS student manual, they listed "felonious sexual penetration" as something that was a no-no. I never did figure out what that meant.

Felonious sexual penetration? So they mean rape.

[wambam]

Sept 19, 2014 6:12:51 GMT -5 mellymel said:

Sept 18, 2014 13:53:21 GMT -5 wambam said:

That's terrible. WTH is the definition of forcible fondling anyways?

In my HS student manual, they listed "felonious sexual penetration" as something that was a no-no. I never did figure out what that meant.

Felonious sexual penetration? So they mean rape.

Rape was listed as a separate offense. Both were listed.

[Overthemoon]

You should give them their bad publicity anyway and forward the letter to every media contact you can get your hands on.

[jane6672]

Sept 19, 2014 7:12:26 GMT -5 wambam said:

Sept 19, 2014 6:12:51 GMT -5 mellymel said:

Felonious sexual penetration? So they mean rape.

Rape was listed as a separate offense. Both were listed.

That may be listed separately because they have a very narrow definition of rape.

For example, the FBI's definition of rape was “The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will” up until 2013.* There's obviously a huge spectrum of sexual assault (inc. penetration) that falls outside of that.



*The new definition is “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or
anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without
the consent of the victim.”