LULZ. I need serious help.

[wambam]

My workout on 10/1: Run 10K for time.

LOLOLOLOLOL.

*can't breathe I'm laughing so hard*

So, help me out. You know me. I don't run. Remember the time I had to run 2 miles and I was dry heaving because of it? And you all were like "Yay wambam! You can do it!" And I did and it wasn't so bad? 

Yeah, this is so much worse. 

Help. 

Tell me positive, wonderful things.

[pixy0stix]

I ran a 10k in May with little to no training. It sucked balls afterward, but the running itself was ok. Stretch a LOT after you're done.

[wambam]

Sept 22, 2014 10:31:44 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I ran a 10k in May with little to no training. It sucked balls afterward, but the running itself was ok. Stretch a LOT after you're done.

Maybe I should talk to my friend who ran the untrained marathon

Or maybe I should just "get sick" on 10/1.

WAY long time ago, before I started CF, I was fitted for a pair of running shoes. Should I wear those? When I ran the 2 miles last year for that comp, I was running in the woods and I wore my Nanos. But I'll probably be running on a road this time.

[pixy0stix]

Definitely wear your running shoes. Pounding the pavement is going to make your feet swell. The last thing you want is unpadded shoes that are too small.

[toepick]

Maybe do a run/walk schedule? I did this when I was running, and it made it bearable for me. Even a run 4 minutes, walk 1 makes it seem possible. You can do anything for 4 minutes!

[wambam]

Sept 22, 2014 10:57:43 GMT -5 toepick said:

Maybe do a run/walk schedule? I did this when I was running, and it made it bearable for me. Even a run 4 minutes, walk 1 makes it seem possible. You can do anything for 4 minutes!

I can assure you I'll be walking some of that

But yeah, I think a schedule might be good. 

[Wines Not Whines]

Is this part of a competition? Or just a WOD? If it's a WOD, can you just do something different that day?

[wambam]

Sept 22, 2014 10:57:56 GMT -5 Mrs.flang said:

I'd definitely switch to the running shoes.  Nanos are only ok IME for only up to 3 miles.

I guess if you wanted to you could train for the 10k.  It would make it less sucky for sure if you built up to it a bit.  It just seems like so much for a CF workout though!  At my old box, 5k record day was a day a lot of people skipped!

I definitely don't have time for that. I'm already training about 1.5-2 hours a day 5 days per week. And when rest days come around, I NEED them. 

[wambam]

Sept 22, 2014 10:59:51 GMT -5 Wines Not Whines said:

Is this part of a competition? Or just a WOD? If it's a WOD, can you just do something different that day?

It's just a WOD.

I guess I could skip it, but my coach won't be too pleased with me.

[ebeth]

Wait, wut? I can see asking generally fit people who don't run to run 2 mi, but running 6.2 without working up to it seems unnecessary and ill advised. Who scheduled this workout and why? Are there other running workouts scheduled in the weeks leading up?

[pixy0stix]

I don't really understand the reasoning here, and really it's what turned me off CF. CF is a good compliment to running, but just going out and running long distances isn't going to happen if you just CF. The mentality is that running isn't as hard as CF so of course you should be able to go out and run 6 miles like it ain't no thang. Which just isn't true. (Like the guy that ran the marathon found out.) (Not that you think this wambam, it's just something I just keep seeing happening. I know someone who "ran" a half marathon cause her box was doing it. They all ran without really training and a good portion ended up hurting themselves.)

[wambam]

Sept 22, 2014 11:03:13 GMT -5 ebeth said:

Wait, wut? I can see asking generally fit people who don't run to run 2 mi, but running 6.2 without working up to it seems unnecessary and ill advised. Who scheduled this workout and why? Are there other running workouts scheduled in the weeks leading up?

We have the OPT guy programming the advanced side of the gym, so it was him. It's in the context of a "testing" week where we'll be testing front squat, clean, power snatch, and pull-ups. 

Some running in the week before that, but 400m within a workout that's 3-5 rounds.

[thom]

Sept 22, 2014 11:03:13 GMT -5 ebeth said:

Wait, wut? I can see asking generally fit people who don't run to run 2 mi, but running 6.2 without working up to it seems unnecessary and ill advised. Who scheduled this workout and why? Are there other running workouts scheduled in the weeks leading up?

This is kind of where I'm at. I'm certain you CAN cover the distance, but 6.2 seems like a lot when running is not a focus of your training. I'd definitely say a run/walk ratio would be advisable. Maybe they could be convinced to go with 5K??

[wambam]

Sept 22, 2014 11:08:00 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I don't really understand the reasoning here, and really it's what turned me off CF. CF is a good compliment to running, but just going out and running long distances isn't going to happen if you just CF. The mentality is that running isn't as hard as CF so of course you should be able to go out and run 6 miles like it ain't no thang. Which just isn't true. (Like the guy that ran the marathon found out.) (Not that you think this wambam, it's just something I just keep seeing happening. I know someone who "ran" a half marathon cause her box was doing it. They all ran without really training and a good portion ended up hurting themselves.)

I hear you. I think I'm going to tag the OPT guy doing our programming (he's in our FB group) and ask him for an explanation.

And you're right, I definitely don't consider running "not as hard" as CF. It's just completely different. Both are extremely challenging - they're just completely different goals.

[wambam]

Sept 22, 2014 11:08:52 GMT -5 thom said:

Sept 22, 2014 11:03:13 GMT -5 ebeth said:

Wait, wut? I can see asking generally fit people who don't run to run 2 mi, but running 6.2 without working up to it seems unnecessary and ill advised. Who scheduled this workout and why? Are there other running workouts scheduled in the weeks leading up?

This is kind of where I'm at. I'm certain you CAN cover the distance, but 6.2 seems like a lot when running is not a favors of your training. I'd definitely say a run/walk ratio would be advisable.

Okay, so I can comfortably run 800m (app. 1/2 mile) in 4:30. Should I maybe do 5min run, 1-2min walk? Would that be reasonable?

[ebeth]

Sept 22, 2014 11:08:04 GMT -5 wambam said:

Sept 22, 2014 11:03:13 GMT -5 ebeth said:

Wait, wut? I can see asking generally fit people who don't run to run 2 mi, but running 6.2 without working up to it seems unnecessary and ill advised. Who scheduled this workout and why? Are there other running workouts scheduled in the weeks leading up?

We have the OPT guy programming the advanced side of the gym, so it was him. It's in the context of a "testing" week where we'll be testing front squat, clean, power snatch, and pull-ups. 

Some running in the week before that, but 400m within a workout that's 3-5 rounds.

Yeah. The run sounds like an all around bad idea then. 10k run times aren't even a good predictor of aerobic fitness. 1-2 mi run times would be a much better 'test'.

[shauni27]

1) I agree that this is an awful WOD because you guys are not really training up to it.
2) I can't believe that you already know WODS so far in advance!
3) you can do this, just do a run/walk combo.

[ghostmonkey]

Sept 22, 2014 11:08:04 GMT -5 wambam said:

Sept 22, 2014 11:03:13 GMT -5 ebeth said:

Wait, wut? I can see asking generally fit people who don't run to run 2 mi, but running 6.2 without working up to it seems unnecessary and ill advised. Who scheduled this workout and why? Are there other running workouts scheduled in the weeks leading up?

We have the OPT guy programming the advanced side of the gym, so it was him. It's in the context of a "testing" week where we'll be testing front squat, clean, power snatch, and pull-ups. 

Some running in the week before that, but 400m within a workout that's 3-5 rounds.

So he has you testing everything in the same week? Tell him good job being that guy that makes CF look bad with absurd WODs.


I'd either opt out (and tell your coach where they can shove it) or do the run/walk that you are considering.

[wambam]

Sept 22, 2014 11:34:06 GMT -5 ghostmonkey said:

Sept 22, 2014 11:08:04 GMT -5 wambam said:

We have the OPT guy programming the advanced side of the gym, so it was him. It's in the context of a "testing" week where we'll be testing front squat, clean, power snatch, and pull-ups. 

Some running in the week before that, but 400m within a workout that's 3-5 rounds.

So he has you testing everything in the same week? Tell him good job being that guy that makes CF look bad with absurd WODs.


I'd either opt out (and tell your coach where they can shove it) or do the run/walk that you are considering.

Testing week every 12 weeks has been going on for over a year now and it really works well. It's sort of a deload week - just come in, warmup, test one movement, and go home. I don't think it's absurd at all. A 6 mile run? Yeah, that part's absurd.

[ghostmonkey]

Sept 22, 2014 11:36:33 GMT -5 wambam said:

Sept 22, 2014 11:34:06 GMT -5 ghostmonkey said:

So he has you testing everything in the same week? Tell him good job being that guy that makes CF look bad with absurd WODs.


I'd either opt out (and tell your coach where they can shove it) or do the run/walk that you are considering.

Testing week every 12 weeks has been going on for over a year now and it really works well. It's sort of a deload week - just come in, warmup, test one movement, and go home. I don't think it's absurd at all. A 6 mile run? Yeah, that part's absurd.

It really is. But that's a whole long drawn out discussion.


6 miles out of nowhere with minimal lead up is ridiculous, and even more so if you are doing 1 rep maxes on lifting that week as well.

[wambam]

Sept 22, 2014 11:44:51 GMT -5 ghostmonkey said:

Sept 22, 2014 11:36:33 GMT -5 wambam said:

Testing week every 12 weeks has been going on for over a year now and it really works well. It's sort of a deload week - just come in, warmup, test one movement, and go home. I don't think it's absurd at all. A 6 mile run? Yeah, that part's absurd.

It really is. But that's a whole long drawn out discussion.


6 miles out of nowhere with minimal lead up is ridiculous, and even more so if you are doing 1 rep maxes on lifting that week as well.

What's wrong with a testing week (6mi aside for the moment)? Especially when only two movements are very similar and those two movements are separated by several days.

[ghostmonkey]

Sept 22, 2014 11:46:39 GMT -5 wambam said:

Sept 22, 2014 11:44:51 GMT -5 ghostmonkey said:

It really is. But that's a whole long drawn out discussion.


6 miles out of nowhere with minimal lead up is ridiculous, and even more so if you are doing 1 rep maxes on lifting that week as well.

What's wrong with a testing week (6mi aside for the moment)? Especially when only two movements are very similar and those two movements are separated by several days.

Recovery is the main issue, and confidence would be the second factor. If you have a shitty test on the first thing in the week, you have nothing else to build it back up before the next test. Some people don't need that, but many do.


By no means is it the worst WOD set up I've seen. At least they don't have you doing it all in the same day!

[wambam]

Sept 22, 2014 12:15:10 GMT -5 ghostmonkey said:

Sept 22, 2014 11:46:39 GMT -5 wambam said:

What's wrong with a testing week (6mi aside for the moment)? Especially when only two movements are very similar and those two movements are separated by several days.

Recovery is the main issue, and confidence would be the second factor. If you have a shitty test on the first thing in the week, you have nothing else to build it back up before the next test. Some people don't need that, but many do.


By no means is it the worst WOD set up I've seen. At least they don't have you doing it all in the same day!

Well that's what I'm saying is so great about the testing week - recovery is not an issue. You do a warmup and one movement and you're done for the day. I get that maxing out is physically taxing, but definitely not more so than a full-blown training session. If I'm testing a front squat, for example, I may do 10 reps at the very most because I generally know where-ish I'm going to fall. In a training session, I might be doing 15-20 heavy reps PLUS additional work during other movements and the metcon.

I do agree about the mental aspect though - I've definitely seen my performance affect tests later in the week both positively and negatively. 

[derbycitycook]

You can always do the Barney Stinson method:

Step 1: Start running.
There is no step two.

Seriously, though, the run/walk schedule is a great idea. Good luck!

[wanderingenough]

You can do it, wambam! I'm not a fan of running either, but I was asked to do a 5k last month and managed. I even set a new PR for the mile. I made a playlist for about 5 mins longer than I thought it would take me, and wore a watch so I could decide when I needed to speed up/slow down. When I really needed to push through, I'd tell myself to run until the end of the chorus and the I could walk X seconds.

[emilyinchile]

We do a testing week like that too, and it involves a 10k. We do have a WOD every so often on top of testing week that will be just running - usually 6, 8 or 10k depending on your level - but we're not otherwise doing running-specific stuff. My 10k PR time happened during one of those runs despite the stoplights and the fact that I wasn't training for running at the time, and I hadn't ever thought that generally fit people would be risking injury by running 6 miles.

But anyway, to answer the question, you can definitely do it, it will just suck in a different way from your usual intense-but-quick sucky WODs. You yourself said that 2 miles was surprisingly un-bad, so just keep remembering that!

[wambam]

The drama continues.

My coach and I had a good talk last night and he explained to me that the 10K is to simply test aerobic capacity and that it's the simplest method to do so. Which, I get. I told him I was a little concerned about running a long distance when I don't train for running and he said "it's not a marathon" lol. Whatever. I'll do it. I'll stop if I don't feel right.

BUT.

The guy who does our programming responded in our FB group and was pretty sassy to me.

Why such resistance to it Stephanie? This programming is intended for a competitive group of athletes looking to compete in fitness as a sport. To that end, ability to run 10k is a very simple and beautiful test of aerobic capacity in a single modality that has been contested over time.

I might be reading into this, but it sounds like he thinks I'm annoying for asking the question and is implying I'm not a serious athlete because I questioned him. *eye roll*

[pixy0stix]

The response of the people in your program is annoying me. 6.2 miles is a respectable distance. They can go fuck themselves.

I'm going to stop typing now.

[emilyinchile]

Your coach's answer seems reasonable to me*, programming guy's tone is ass-y.

*A 10k - or a 5k, or a 400m, or whatever distance! - is obviously something that can be a serious challenge, and I don't mean any insult by agreeing with the "it's not a marathon" sentiment. The fact that I can get up and run 10k injury-free despite my lack of running-specific training (and that I assume other people at my box can do the same) doesn't mean that I think the distance itself is inherently easy or that I'm any good at it beyond being able to complete it. Just because I can run 100m doesn't mean that I'm putting down Usain Bolt!

[emilyj]

Well. I guess according to the programming guy, I'm not a serious athlete, because there's no way in hell I could go out and run a 10K right now.

I'll remember that while I'm doing the swim leg at the half Ironman this weekend.