I think even with stores closed on thanksgiving, many retailers have been pulling their staff in on Thanksgiving day in anticipation of black Friday sales, haven't they?
I think even with stores closed on thanksgiving, many retailers have been pulling their staff in on Thanksgiving day in anticipation of black Friday sales, haven't they?
From what I remember of previous discussions, yes, but it wasn't until evening.
When I worked in retail 15 years ago for a large dept store there was no expectation to be in the store on T Day or T evening. That's changed though now, obviously.
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I think even with stores closed on thanksgiving, many retailers have been pulling their staff in on Thanksgiving day in anticipation of black Friday sales, haven't they?
IME working retail (last time I worked retail was 2011, so not too long ago) our store was able to have everything ready by midnight Wednesday night then have people come in at 3:30 for a 4 am opening. Wednesday was absolutely dead, so there was one person on register and everyone else was prepping for BF (it was a Gap store, so one register was fine). So nobody was there on the actual holiday.
The kicker with that was nobody was sure what time we would open BF until the Saturday before (corporate hadn't even told our manager yet), so nobody knew if they would need to be at work at 11:30 versus 3:30 versus 6:30 (the year before BF opening was at 7) in making holiday plans until five days out.
We've been really strapped for cash before, and the savings on all of the gifts for my kid that year really made a difference in what we were able to get her. I don't understand why this is hard for people to understand. Sometimes saving $30-50 is absolutely worth it to people and their finances.
Because this isn't what we're saying.
1) The deals are fake.
2) We're saying that it's shitty that people are forced to work on Thanksgiving.
ETA: Actually I did call people selfish on the first page, and I stand by it. The bold is selfish, and there's really no way around it. People want what's best for THEMSELVES. And if it means taking a holiday away from someone, hey whatever, right?
1) On some things, shit maybe even most things -I agree with you. The deals are fake. But even all of the articles being toted here state that there are real deals to be had out there. I know that when I was in the situaiton, I was watching prices for quite a while. I didn't buy things that were scammy deals - I bought the real deals. Something that hbc has been stating as well.
2) We're going to agree to disagree here. Lots of people work on Thanksgiving, I just can't get it up for that. And yes - I've worked those jobs before.
And I think it's shitty to pin it all on the consumers to be the morality police and not get a deal for their kid. Certainly they weren't the brain child coming up with the earlier and earlier BF times. If they offered the deals on the Saturday before, that's when they'd get the consumers.
As to your selfish point - it absolutely maybe selfish - I don't think it's bad to be selfish now and again.
Post by andrealynn on Sept 30, 2014 15:04:20 GMT -5
IME, it is typical to be there 2-3 hours before opening for some limited staff and 30 min - hr for the majority of line level people. Even opening at midnight people don't need to be there for a ton of time on the actual day.
I work PT at a retail store. If we are open on Thanksgiving, I will have to be there. I am 99% certain we will be. The store I work for has actually been open part of Thanksgiving before, including last year.
I don't entirely blame the customers and I don't entirely blame the retailer. I believe it is more complicated than the "Don't like it, don't come" mentality.
What I will say gets to me is the refusal by some people (both customers and corporations) to acknowledge how much it does affect retail employees. Traditionally this has been the one holiday they get- every other holiday (save Christmas day) they will be working. It just grates to hear variations on the theme of "Be glad you have a job/We have to do this for x,y,z/Get over it" if anyone says they don't like it or wish it were different.
We've been really strapped for cash before, and the savings on all of the gifts for my kid that year really made a difference in what we were able to get her. I don't understand why this is hard for people to understand. Sometimes saving $30-50 is absolutely worth it to people and their finances.
Worth it to you to take away what used to be a retail worker's ONE guaranteed day off during the year?
In my ideal world - no. I don't think anyone would really claim that.
But again - I think it's a farce to pin this onto the consumer. Go pound down the ceo's doors, don't blame it on the poors.
2) We're going to agree to disagree here. Lots of people work on Thanksgiving, I just can't get it up for that. And yes - I've worked those jobs before.
2) We're going to agree to disagree here. Lots of people work on Thanksgiving, I just can't get it up for that. And yes - I've worked those jobs before.
Was Walmart really closed on Thanksgiving before? I feel like that place has been always open since I was able to drive myself over there. I remember they would close at like 6pm on Christmas day or something, maybe.
Was Walmart really closed on Thanksgiving before? I feel like that place has been always open since I was able to drive myself over there. I remember they would close at like 6pm on Christmas day or something, maybe.
I honestly can't remember.
When I was in HS (so eons ago) both the Super K and Super Walmart by our house (and literally across the street from each other) would close around 1-2pm on Tday. They were open long enough to serve the OH MY GOD WE ARE OUT OF EGGS HOW CAN I MAKE CORNBREAD WITHOUT EGGS?!?! customer base and then closed shop. Same on Christmas.
with this attitude we should just say fuck it and make it a regular day. If it's nbd for everyone to work on tgiving then let's all just work on thanksgiving. I nominate you to be the first to volunteer.
Was Walmart really closed on Thanksgiving before? I feel like that place has been always open since I was able to drive myself over there. I remember they would close at like 6pm on Christmas day or something, maybe.
I honestly can't remember.
When I was in HS (so eons ago) both the Super K and Super Walmart by our house (and literally across the street from each other) would close around 1-2pm on Tday. They were open long enough to serve the OH MY GOD WE ARE OUT OF EGGS HOW CAN I MAKE CORNBREAD WITHOUT EGGS?!?! customer base and then closed shop. Same on Christmas.
Oh yes, this makes sense.
Grocery stores have been staying open later on Thanksgiving I've noticed. I think ours was open until 6. Guess you better like the way Grandma cooks the bird because you won't have time to make it yourself.
Those in a hospital or many other medical facilities including nursing facilities, skilled nursing, assisted living, senior living. Those in a sports arena. Those at a movie theater. Those at a restaurant/fast food. Those at a gas station. Those in the police/fire/emergency field. People in television/radio/broadcasting. Customer service phone operator people. Most grocery stores have at least some hours open on Thanksgiving. Those who work for gas/electric/water companies - damn skippy they're on call and called out. Plumbers called in for emergencies. Those who are road crew around the city. It snows sometimes on Thanksgiving right? And if Aunt June wants to get to Thanksgiving dinner by golly, she has a right to get to Thanksgiving dinner. Surely that's not selfish of her, right?
Those in a hospital or many other medical facilities including nursing facilities, skilled nursing, assisted living, senior living. Those in a sports arena. Those at a movie theater. Those at a restaurant/fast food. Those at a gas station. Those in the police/fire/emergency field. People in television/radio/broadcasting. Customer service phone operator people. Most grocery stores have at least some hours open on Thanksgiving. Those who work for gas/electric/water companies - damn skippy they're on call and called out. Plumbers called in for emergencies. Those who are road crew around the city. It snows sometimes on Thanksgiving right? And if Aunt June wants to get to Thanksgiving dinner by golly, she has a right to get to Thanksgiving dinner. Surely that's not selfish of her, right?
Shall I continue?
I actually don't even think I understand your point in context of this conversation about retail.
Those in a hospital or many other medical facilities including nursing facilities, skilled nursing, assisted living, senior living. Those in a sports arena. Those at a movie theater. Those at a restaurant/fast food. Those at a gas station. Those in the police/fire/emergency field. People in television/radio/broadcasting. Customer service phone operator people. Most grocery stores have at least some hours open on Thanksgiving. Those who work for gas/electric/water companies - damn skippy they're on call and called out. Plumbers called in for emergencies. Those who are road crew around the city. It snows sometimes on Thanksgiving right? And if Aunt June wants to get to Thanksgiving dinner by golly, she has a right to get to Thanksgiving dinner. Surely that's not selfish of her, right?
Shall I continue?
Emergency personnel were never part of this conversation, of which half your list consists. But please continue to belabor the point. Everyone should work just so you can get your 30% off Chinese goods. Got it.
Those in a hospital or many other medical facilities including nursing facilities, skilled nursing, assisted living, senior living. Those in a sports arena. Those at a movie theater. Those at a restaurant/fast food. Those at a gas station. Those in the police/fire/emergency field. People in television/radio/broadcasting. Customer service phone operator people. Most grocery stores have at least some hours open on Thanksgiving. Those who work for gas/electric/water companies - damn skippy they're on call and called out. Plumbers called in for emergencies. Those who are road crew around the city. It snows sometimes on Thanksgiving right? And if Aunt June wants to get to Thanksgiving dinner by golly, she has a right to get to Thanksgiving dinner. Surely that's not selfish of her, right?
Shall I continue?
Emergency personnel were never part of this conversation, of which half your list consists. But please continue to belabor the point. Everyone should work just so you can get your 30% off Chinese goods. Got it.
We can't be upset that now retail workers have to work thanksgiving because some other sectors (largely essential public service jobs) have to work too?
Those in a hospital or many other medical facilities including nursing facilities, skilled nursing, assisted living, senior living. Those in a sports arena. Those at a movie theater. Those at a restaurant/fast food. Those at a gas station. Those in the police/fire/emergency field. People in television/radio/broadcasting. Customer service phone operator people. Most grocery stores have at least some hours open on Thanksgiving. Those who work for gas/electric/water companies - damn skippy they're on call and called out. Plumbers called in for emergencies. Those who are road crew around the city. It snows sometimes on Thanksgiving right? And if Aunt June wants to get to Thanksgiving dinner by golly, she has a right to get to Thanksgiving dinner. Surely that's not selfish of her, right?
Shall I continue?
I actually don't even think I understand your point in context of this conversation about retail.
When this all started a year or two ago, the major outcry was "but what about those who only get this one day off!" It's still one of the major battle cries, as evidenced by this thread.
I stated I can't get it up for the retail workers who have to work, because well - lots of people have to work on holidays. Why is there no outcry for them, but there is for retail workers? The best explainatation I've received is that it hasn't always been that way - and it's changed. Someone last year posted that their mom has worked retail for like 25-30 years and had never had to work on Thanskgiving and this was hard fo her. And I get that argumento to an extent. But - industries change and sometimes jobs/job descriptions change too.
I actually don't even think I understand your point in context of this conversation about retail.
When this all started a year or two ago, the major outcry was "but what about those who only get this one day off!" It's still one of the major battle cries, as evidenced by this thread.
I stated I can't get it up for the retail workers who have to work, because well - lots of people have to work on holidays. Why is there no outcry for them, but there is for retail workers? The best explainatation I've received is that it hasn't always been that way - and it's changed. Someone last year posted that their mom has worked retail for like 25-30 years and had never had to work on Thanskgiving and this was hard fo her. And I get that argumento to an extent. But - industries change and sometimes jobs/job descriptions change too.
Because a lot of us are saying that NO ONE should have to work on the holiday. (Except emergency workers, because they have to and we can't do without them because invariably someone will catch their garage on fire with the turkey fryer.)