I'm going to need Chesh to come in and firmly renounce MB. And even then she's getting side eyed for a lonnnnnnng time. It's one thing to know MB is Woctard. that's sketchy, because WOctard was an evil bitch, but OK, I have been Nest friends with some arguably evil people, I am not going to hold that against her. But to come in here and issue a rousing defense of MB's good name, and personally vouch for her, all the while knowing she was WOctard? No. Over the line. That was a flat out lie, made in defense of someone who has attacked me personally and we later found out was hoarding pictures of me? Uh uh. I take that personally. Don't care how close they were, vouching for someone means you take the consequences when the person you vouched for is revealed as a pretty scary person.
I get where you're coming from. I had NO idea that MB/Woct did all of that because there's no damn spreadsheet and my google skills are sadly lacking/I don't care enough. Someone needs to spreadsheet these things for those of us who are too stupid to function according to 05Heel.
I'm just going to say that I recently met chesh and her H, and they were both lovely people. I have known her online for like a thousand years, and I just can't accept that she would do anything shady. At worst, I think she is guilty of being too kindhearted to someone who does not deserve it.
She vouched for MB knowing she was WOctard and knowing some of the awful things Woctard has done. Including posting the IRL names of dozens of nesties. Being too kindhearted might mean being friends with her and not focusing on the awful things WOctard had done. Chesh became a conspirator the moment she came to MB's defense and vouched for her. She even lied for her, saying MB thought she would be mad when she learned her real name because it was different than her Facebook name. Nope. MB thought she would be mad because her real name is associated with one of the most infamous trolls in ML history. And Chesh lied about that. We are a forgiving board and I think I, personally, could find forgiveness for her, but her crime went beyond being kindhearted.
I'm just going to say that I recently met chesh and her H, and they were both lovely people. I have known her online for like a thousand years, and I just can't accept that she would do anything shady. At worst, I think she is guilty of being too kindhearted to someone who does not deserve it.
She vouched for MB knowing she was WOctard and knowing some of the awful things Woctard has done. Including posting the IRL names of dozens of nesties. Being too kindhearted might mean being friends with her and not focusing on the awful things WOctard had done. Chesh became a conspirator the moment she came to MB's defense and vouched for her. She even lied for her, saying MB thought she would be mad when she learned her real name because it was different than her Facebook name. Nope. MB thought she would be mad because her real name is associated with one of the most infamous trolls in ML history. And Chesh lied about that. We are a forgiving board and I think I, personally, could find forgiveness for her, but her crime went beyond being kindhearted.
This makes me sad. I am going to continue clinging to hope that she didn't know the full story, but at the same time I certainly understand your position. If she knew everything, well, that sucks.
I'm going to need Chesh to come in and firmly renounce MB. And even then she's getting side eyed for a lonnnnnnng time. It's one thing to know MB is Woctard. that's sketchy, because WOctard was an evil bitch, but OK, I have been Nest friends with some arguably evil people, I am not going to hold that against her. But to come in here and issue a rousing defense of MB's good name, and personally vouch for her, all the while knowing she was WOctard? No. Over the line. That was a flat out lie, made in defense of someone who has attacked me personally and we later found out was hoarding pictures of me? Uh uh. I take that personally. Don't care how close they were, vouching for someone means you take the consequences when the person you vouched for is revealed as a pretty scary person.
What did WOctard do? Why can't I remember this shit?
She used to troll me.
As MentalClorox, which I think people are about 85-90% positive she was (I am 100%) she posted the IRL names of a bunch of people on ML, which she got from their facebook accounts. Like a really long list, done maliciously, to scare people.
Which is why people are sketched that she saved pictures. This wasn't casual curiosity. She may have had another attack planned.
I'm going to need Chesh to come in and firmly renounce MB. And even then she's getting side eyed for a lonnnnnnng time. It's one thing to know MB is Woctard. that's sketchy, because WOctard was an evil bitch, but OK, I have been Nest friends with some arguably evil people, I am not going to hold that against her. But to come in here and issue a rousing defense of MB's good name, and personally vouch for her, all the while knowing she was WOctard? No. Over the line. That was a flat out lie, made in defense of someone who has attacked me personally and we later found out was hoarding pictures of me? Uh uh. I take that personally. Don't care how close they were, vouching for someone means you take the consequences when the person you vouched for is revealed as a pretty scary person.
I get where you're coming from. I had NO idea that MB/Woct did all of that because there's no damn spreadsheet and my google skills are sadly lacking/I don't care enough. Someone needs to spreadsheet these things for those of us who are too stupid to function according to 05Heel.
Hey don't go getting mad at me! Go finger wag at someone else. Unless it's the middle finger. I'll always take a couple of those.
She vouched for MB knowing she was WOctard and knowing some of the awful things Woctard has done. Including posting the IRL names of dozens of nesties. Being too kindhearted might mean being friends with her and not focusing on the awful things WOctard had done. Chesh became a conspirator the moment she came to MB's defense and vouched for her. She even lied for her, saying MB thought she would be mad when she learned her real name because it was different than her Facebook name. Nope. MB thought she would be mad because her real name is associated with one of the most infamous trolls in ML history. And Chesh lied about that. We are a forgiving board and I think I, personally, could find forgiveness for her, but her crime went beyond being kindhearted.
Chesh lied about it? You mean, she didn't reveal it or was there an outward lie?
An outright lie. She said that WOctard was afraid Chesh would quit being her friend when she learned her name. And people were like "what . . . that's weird. Why would you be mad about that?" And Chesh said it was because WOctard had used a different name on Facebook. She at no point mentioned it was because revealing her last name would reveal that she was Mrs.Willis (AKA Woctard AKA Mental Clorox).
As MentalClorox, which I think people are about 85-90% positive she was (I am 100%) she posted the IRL names of a bunch of people on ML, which she got from their facebook accounts. Like a really long list, done maliciously, to scare people.
Which is why people are sketched that she saved pictures. This wasn't casual curiosity. She may have had another attack planned.
Was I on the list? I can't remember ANY of this. Kids sucked my memory dry.
I'm sketched about the pictures but I don't think Chesh would have known anything about that until it was revealed yesterday.
Also, I'd like to definitively know that MC=WOctard.
There was pretty compelling evidence at the time (though I don't remember it, I remember finding it convincing) and after it happened they both disappeared. They were linked publicly and never denied it, but I know how stubborn you can be, so you do you with needing a definitive link.
People, I am the least observant person on the planet, and have the worst memory ever (especially about TN stuff) and even I know who Woct is and what she did!
That said, I am honestly floored that Chesh kept mb's true identity a secret all this time. The photobucket account is creepy, super creepy. This whole thing is crazy. And sucks.
yeah, karma, honestly, I can't say you are getting any smarter. And I definitely am not.
I feel like we don't trust stories at face value anymore. I think that's what I was going for. I'm not sure though because as it has been pointed out, I'm actually not as smart as I though I was a few minutes ago.
Chesh, You said in the deleted thread that MB was afraid you'd be upset at her revealing who she was. It was indicated that it was just with regards to her FB being a fake one and letting you know her real name. Was it also because she admitted to being Woct? To me that would make more sense of her worrying about how you'd take the news.
"Yes, I knew she was Woct. I don't remember what Woct's original drama on the Nest was; it was years after that that MB told me who she was."
Also if she thought you'd be mad at her revealing who she was, why not investigate if you don't remember what the drama was around Woct?
" did not know about the photobucket account. I don't know why she saved the pictures in the first place, but she tells me she did not realize it was public"
What good reason could anyone have for saving pictures of people and their children? This you have to admit is very unsettling. Further more, the fact that it was 'public' besides having her own information on there is irrelevant to the shadiness of having the pictures in the first place. I'm glad she didn't realize it was public so that these members and mothers knew what was going on.
I'm not the only one you're drunk-PMing to meet up!?!?!
I still wish I would've just gone over to Octoberfest. You and your DH could've met my mom, since we were out together that night, lol.
Aww, that would've been fun!
And let's be real, I'm drunk almost every weekend, so odds are good that I'm drunk PMing most people. lol.
I'd like a drunk PM one day, I could also use CO girlfriends! ...wait, not the best post to want to make friends?
On a serious note, despite the fact that Chesh might be a super nice person, I'd be wary if I were a friend of hers. Even if she believed what MB was going through now is real, to also know her back story and then defend her? That kind of sucks. A lot of people had feelings invested and were sending sympathies because they've actually been there - and then it turns out this is just her story every few years.
An outright lie. She said that WOctard was afraid Chesh would quit being her friend when she learned her name. And people were like "what . . . that's weird. Why would you be mad about that?" And Chesh said it was because WOctard had used a different name on Facebook. She at no point mentioned it was because revealing her last name would reveal that she was Mrs.Willis (AKA Woctard AKA Mental Clorox).
Sounds to me like Chesh didn't reveal. I feel like this is semantics though.
I think you are misunderstanding what elle is saying. Chesh said that MB was worried that giving her real name to Chesh would make her quit being a friend and the reason for that was because MB's facebook was under a different name than her real name. Elle is saying that Chesh is lying about that and that the real reason the MB thought Chesh would stop being her friend is because her real name is that of woctard.
An outright lie. She said that WOctard was afraid Chesh would quit being her friend when she learned her name. And people were like "what . . . that's weird. Why would you be mad about that?" And Chesh said it was because WOctard had used a different name on Facebook. She at no point mentioned it was because revealing her last name would reveal that she was Mrs.Willis (AKA Woctard AKA Mental Clorox).
Sounds to me like Chesh didn't reveal. I feel like this is semantics though.
It's not semantics. Chesh made a statement - that MB was afraid she would be mad because she lied about her name on Facebook that was materially misleading by omission of the fact that MB was actually afraid she would be mad because her last name revealed she was notorious troll Woctard. Omission of material information when you undertake to speak on that subject is fraud. That is the actual, objective, definition of when an omission becomes a lie. I would have no problem at all with Chesh today had she just stayed quiet. Or maybe I would, but I wouldn't feel the same level of rage. She became complicit when she made that post. The post was a lie. And there is no avoiding that.
Chesh, You said in the deleted thread that MB was afraid you'd be upset at her revealing who she was. It was indicated that it was just with regards to her FB being a fake one and letting you know her real name. Was it also because she admitted to being Woct? To me that would make more sense of her worrying about how you'd take the news.
"Yes, I knew she was Woct. I don't remember what Woct's original drama on the Nest was; it was years after that that MB told me who she was."
Also if she thought you'd be mad at her revealing who she was, why not investigate if you don't remember what the drama was around Woct?
" did not know about the photobucket account. I don't know why she saved the pictures in the first place, but she tells me she did not realize it was public"
What good reason could anyone have for saving pictures of people and their children? This you have to admit is very unsettling. Further more, the fact that it was 'public' besides having her own information on there is irrelevant to the shadiness of having the pictures in the first place. I'm glad she didn't realize it was public so that these members and mothers knew what was going on.
I am so lol that you've now taken up a pitchfork after all your shaming yesterday.
Can we drop it? I wasn't the only one hoodwinked here, but feel free to pick on me.
I was giving my sympathies as a women who went through a m/c and who suffered through years of ttc. It hit home for me and if it was true I felt terrible for what was going on with her. So yes I defended the story and what I thought to be true. Because here I was thinking there's no way a human being could be so horrible as to make this up. It was a painful realization when the rest of this shit came to light and I hope Karma bites her square in the ass for faking and making light of something many of us have actually gone through.
Can we drop it? I wasn't the only one hoodwinked here, but feel free to pick on me.
I was giving my sympathies as a women who went through a m/c and who suffered through years of ttc. It hit home for me and if it was true I felt terrible for what was going on with her. So yes I defended the story and what I thought to be true. Because here I was thinking there's no way a human being could be so horrible as to make this up. It was a painful realization when the rest of this shit came to light and I hope Karma bites her square in the ass for faking and making light of something many of us have actually gone through.
No. You can offer her your sympathies, but you also chose to post incessantly about how other people ought to be ashamed of being suspicious, etc. And that this stuff didn't happen on your other message boards so clearly it shouldn't happen here. And that nobody should be questioning it because omg, how terrible.
So, yeah. No. I'm not dropping it, because it's fucking hilarious how fast you switched teams from YOU GUYS ARE SO MEAN to OMG CHESHIRE WE WANT THE TRUTH!
Actually I did not. I started by saying that I couldn't blame MB for not coming back with people piling on her. Because you questioned why a member wouldn't come back to 'answer questions'.
I then said that it all was very harsh if all of this was true because I THOUGHT what was going on with her was real! Then the TRUTH and the evidence came out that obviously said differently. What's there to question then? I was wrong in thinking she was real, others were wrong as well. So lets stop really.... This is an incredibly sensitive topic for me. I'm sorry if I thought there's no way someone would stoop that low.
Can we drop it? I wasn't the only one hoodwinked here, but feel free to pick on me.
lol! You were certainly the most obnoxious clueless newb, trying to school us all in a culture you knew nothing about.
I believe I admitted that i knew very little about the dynamic here and how obviously rampant catfishing and really disturbing behavior is on this site.
Post by sunshineluv on Oct 1, 2014 12:40:40 GMT -5
This may have been covered somewhere, but who was the probie who found the public album in the first place? Wasn't it someone with like 150 post? Does anyone know who she is? (I am just wondering if perhaps she was another MB persona).
Actually I did not. I started by saying that I couldn't blame MB for not coming back with people piling on her. Because you questioned why a member wouldn't come back to 'answer questions'.
I then said that it all was very harsh if all of this was true because I THOUGHT what was going on with her was real! Then the TRUTH and the evidence came out that obviously said differently. What's there to question then? I was wrong in thinking she was real, others were wrong as well. So lets stop really....
It got SO HARSH SO QUICKLY! You said, and insinuated that we all jumped on her for no reason. Really, I think you'd be better off at ivillage. I'm not stopping, because I'm dying that you manageto put your foot in your mouth with every post you make, and the only responses you can come up with are these weird little mea culpas followed by exhortations to just DROP IT ALREADY.
I'm just fine here thank you very much. I put my foot in my mouth with every post I make? I've made many posts. Actually strictly on here it seems (ML) but then again I like it here and I see no reason to stop posting. I'm sure you've put your foot in your mouth several times. I'm sure I will do so in the future.
For the last time it was and is a sensitive topic for me. Sorry for wearing that particular part of my life on my sleeve and feeling for women who may be going through the same things I have. For fuck sakes...
Can we drop it? I wasn't the only one hoodwinked here, but feel free to pick on me.
I was giving my sympathies as a women who went through a m/c and who suffered through years of ttc. It hit home for me and if it was true I felt terrible for what was going on with her. So yes I defended the story and what I thought to be true. Because here I was thinking there's no way a human being could be so horrible as to make this up. It was a painful realization when the rest of this shit came to light and I hope Karma bites her square in the ass for faking and making light of something many of us have actually gone through.
There are really really nice people here autumnfire. YOU are just clueless. Are you seriously saying that people here are unsympathetic towards pregnancy losses?? Please. GO SAT DOWN. TM nuggetbrain
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