The scariest thing I heard is that there are actually about 20 strains of virus that cause viral hemorrhagic fever syndrome, aka bleeding profusely from all orifices, of which Ebola is one. Holy shit.
Clearly, we're all lucky to have made it to this point in our lives.
Andy Borowitz just posted on FB: I know this doesn't fit with the fear-mongering storyline our media outlets love, but this is true: Senegal, one of the world's poorest countries, has defeated Ebola. #‎calmthefuckdown
I remember up thread, maybe it was ESF, said there was an issue of people managing hospitals without healthcare experience, only really looking out for the bottom line (I'm clearly paraphrasing). This czar doesn't have healthcare experience, but they said this is considered a management issue. What?!
Does anyone with healthcare or hospital experience have any input on how this person makes sense vs a doctor with infectious disease control experience? Thx
Yeah, that was me and the article I linked.
Why the fuck doesn't the Ebola Czar have public health experience?
Honestly, I wasn't at panic mode yet, but the more I read about the incompetence both in leadership and in selecting leadership, I am getting increasingly concerned that we are not going to be able to effectively contain this.
This guy is no more qualified for Ebola Czar than Brownie was qualified to run FEMA.
WTF.
I actually think this is the right call. We know what to do. It's all management failure that it hasn't been done. Not that ID docs aren't useful here, but they're useful in WHAT to do, not HOW to get it done. I mean, I'd prefer healthcare management experience, but given what's gone on the last week I'm not convinced an outsider couldn't do a better job.
The management that's failed hasn't been managing Ebola response. Like you said, they've been managing for the bottom line, but the problem isn't that they're managers, it's that they're not managing the right priority.
To go along with what epphd said, check out the Notifiable Diseases and Mortality Report. There is more plague, EEE, hantavirus, tularemia (which is bad in my area), typhoid fever, etc than ebola.
Uh, anyone notice the one case of diphtheria and the one case of paralytic polio on there?
Where is all the fire and brimstone over the fucking yuppie parents who think their snowflakes, Sandrine and Azalea, are too good for vaccines? Those parents are the true public health nightmares. I hope this leads to a full scale conversation about public health and the role WE ALL MUST PLAY to protect one another.
Why the fuck doesn't the Ebola Czar have public health experience?
Honestly, I wasn't at panic mode yet, but the more I read about the incompetence both in leadership and in selecting leadership, I am getting increasingly concerned that we are not going to be able to effectively contain this.
This guy is no more qualified for Ebola Czar than Brownie was qualified to run FEMA.
WTF.
I actually think this is the right call. We know what to do. It's all management failure that it hasn't been done. Not that ID docs aren't useful here, but they're useful in WHAT to do, not HOW to get it done. I mean, I'd prefer healthcare management experience, but given what's gone on the last week I'm not convinced an outsider couldn't do a better job.
The management that's failed hasn't been managing Ebola response. Like you said, they've been managing for the bottom line, but the problem isn't that they're managers, it's that they're not managing the right priority.
Where is all the fire and brimstone over the fucking yuppie parents who think their snowflakes, Sandrine and Azalea, are too good for vaccines? Those parents are the true public health nightmares. I hope this leads to a full scale conversation about public health and the role WE ALL MUST PLAY to protect one another.
Yes, I want to see ONE anti vax parent complain about the nurse getting on a flight or Duncan coming to the US despite being exposed. IT'S A PERSONAL CHOICE IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU!!!!11!!!
pugz do you work in Houston? We have the same 21 day PTO determination. It is the consistent standard because people voluntarily went to those countries. If someone goes on business travel we will treat that differently. I know it's hard though. We have a couple of people in quarantine because they have family who traveled from an affected country now becoming ill. And one employee. We have a leave sharing program though. I volunteered to donate some PTO to the nurse who said, "hey I have a family member who came from one of those countries and is now showing signs. I show no signs but I think I should be in quarantine just in case." But she doesn't have 21 days of PTO. She is putting patients and coworkers ahead of herself so I want to help her.
I think our person administering leave sharing is about to get busy, or at least i hope!
Kansas City! We do not have leave sharing unfortunately And we really don't have very generous PTO considering we have to use it to cover the holidays we aren't scheduled to work.
My aunt just returned from Kenya last week. She was sent home from her regular dental cleaning because they said it was too dangerous.
Geography. Let me show you it.
Sigh.
Those people are morons. Kenya is on the opposite side of the African continent from the Ebola outbreak, and two seconds of googling would have shown them that.
My aunt just returned from Kenya last week. She was sent home from her regular dental cleaning because they said it was too dangerous.
Geography. Let me show you it.
Sigh.
That's ridiculous. The ADA is recommending asking travel history on anyone exhibiting flu like symptoms. Sending someone home from returning to Kenya is idiotic. Tell her to find a dentist with a brain. Lol!
My aunt just returned from Kenya last week. She was sent home from her regular dental cleaning because they said it was too dangerous.
Geography. Let me show you it.
Sigh.
We have a fairly high Kenyan, Somalian, Sudanese population here. So of course there's a lot of talk about how we are high risk because of our population.
Learn about what countries are undergoing the outbreak. Africa is a big country. Come on!
Our hospital did a drill this morning. Still some logistical things to work out.
I've been comforted in thinking I don't work at our main campus, so if someone did come in, it wouldnt be a huge deal. Except now it sounds like they would end up here cause it's pretty deserted....
Andy Borowitz just posted on FB: I know this doesn't fit with the fear-mongering storyline our media outlets love, but this is true: Senegal, one of the world's poorest countries, has defeated Ebola. #‎calmthefuckdown
Well he has an assholey kind of sense of humor. But I like it.
He is basically telling people that if one of the world's poorest countries can defeat Ebola we with all our resources should be able to as well as long as we don't lose ourselves in mass hysteria.
I met someone today that said their doctors office did a screening for Ebola today. Asked them about fever and symptoms but also travel.
We have signs up around my workplace regarding this. I was feeling positive until we had rounds regarding PPE today. Docs and nurses all agreed that we are fucked if a patient gets ebola. We'll be ordering in new supplies that are better thankfully.
Post by jordancatalano4ever on Oct 17, 2014 21:39:43 GMT -5
My students have been very curious about Ebola (since we live in south texas) and since I teach science they have been asking me questions. Basically I have told them that while it's contagious, the chance of it getting here is small. And I also pointed out that more people die from the flu every year. But I've been debating whether that is a good comparison. Don't people die more due to complications from the flu, not the flu itself. Like they already have a weakened or vulnerable immune system and the flu topples their dominoes? Whereas Ebola can take out an otherwise healthy person. Please correct me if wrong.
My students have been very curious about Ebola (since we live in south texas) and since I teach science they have been asking me questions. Basically I have told them that while it's contagious, the chance of it getting here is small. And I also pointed out that more people die from the flu every year. But I've been debating whether that is a good comparison. Don't people die more due to complications from the flu, not the flu itself. Like they already have a weakened or vulnerable immune system and the flu topples their dominoes? Whereas Ebola can take out an otherwise healthy person. Please correct me if wrong.
Kind of sort of. There are flu strains that particularly affect young healthy people precisely because of their strong immune response. It's due to a cytokine storm. Which could be something that interests the kids (and you could go all common core and tie it into history. The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic was one of these. Also I believe the more recent hamthrax was such a strain)
Healthy people die from the flu all the time. It's a dangerous myth that they don't. H1n1 is the deadly one. It went around last year; and I think they are inoculating against it this year.
Eta: have you had h1n1? It is mother fucking awful.
My students have been very curious about Ebola (since we live in south texas) and since I teach science they have been asking me questions. Basically I have told them that while it's contagious, the chance of it getting here is small. And I also pointed out that more people die from the flu every year. But I've been debating whether that is a good comparison. Don't people die more due to complications from the flu, not the flu itself. Like they already have a weakened or vulnerable immune system and the flu topples their dominoes? Whereas Ebola can take out an otherwise healthy person. Please correct me if wrong.
No, people die due to the flu. Children and the elderly are more susceptible to the flu due to their immune system not being as strong as someone who is 20 something, but you don't have to be immunocompromised to die from the flu.
H5N1 and H1N1 seem to be particularly dangerous and I believe have a higher mortality rate among previously health adults.