They didn't wear hazmat suits until the diagnosis was confirmed. And again, the CDC does not recommend hazmat suits for healthcare workers. The protocol is gown, gloves, mask, and shield. I am assuming (hoping) protocols will change soon. It does not say they wore no protective gear, just not hazmat suits.
They wore normal hospital gear while treating a patient WHO WAS BEING TESTED FOR EBOLA.
They didn't wear hazmat suits until the diagnosis was confirmed. And again, the CDC does not recommend hazmat suits for healthcare workers. The protocol is gown, gloves, mask, and shield. I am assuming (hoping) protocols will change soon. It does not say they wore no protective gear, just not hazmat suits.
They wore normal hospital gear while treating a patient WHO WAS BEING TESTED FOR EBOLA.
They wore normal hospital gear while treating a patient WHO WAS BEING TESTED FOR EBOLA.
WHICH IS THE FUCKING CDC PROTOCOL!!!!
Now you are going to have to be the one to pony up evidence. Evidence that shows the CDC wants hospital staff to wear normal scrubs and gowns up to the point of confirmation.
The CDC is now investigating this two day window as the source of the nurses' infection.
Now you are going to have to be the to pony up evidence. Evidence that shows the CDC wants hospital staff to wear normal scrubs and gowns up to the point of confirmation.
The CDC is now investigating this two day window as the source of the nurses' infection.
Scroll down to "protecting healthcare workers" and click sequence for putting on and removing PPE.
Now you are going to have to be the one to pony up evidence. Evidence that shows the CDC wants hospital staff to wear normal scrubs and gowns up to the point of confirmation.
The CDC is now investigating this two day window as the source of the nurses' infection.
Now you are going to have to be the one to pony up evidence. Evidence that shows the CDC wants hospital staff to wear normal scrubs and gowns up to the point of confirmation.
The CDC is now investigating this two day window as the source of the nurses' infection.
And honestly, it's not realistic for the CDC to make a general protocol that requires hazmat suits for suspected cases at every hospital. That just isn't going to happen as it would be very cost prohibitive to send hazmat suits to every single hospital in this country just in case. So I believe they have to have a realistic general protocol and then work with individual hospitals as well once a case is confirmed to have the proper measures in place.
Now you are going to have to be the one to pony up evidence. Evidence that shows the CDC wants hospital staff to wear normal scrubs and gowns up to the point of confirmation.
The CDC is now investigating this two day window as the source of the nurses' infection.
And honestly, it's not realistic for the CDC to make a general protocol that requires hazmat suits for suspected cases at every hospital. That just isn't going to happen as it would be very cost prohibitive to send hazmat suits to every single hospital in this country just in case. So I believe they have to have a realistic general protocol and then work with individual hospitals as well once a case is confirmed to have the proper measures in place.
But this is obviously not going remain the policy as per the Dallas morning news article the CDC thinks it was during this time that the nurses were infected.
If you can't fucking do your job because you're too scared, then you should just leave. That isn't the right job for you.
I'm pissed as all hell that there are people out there that went into the medical field to help people, and at the first sign of something big they run around pissing their pants.
And "don't be a hero"? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! That's what the job is!
Sorry- I was traveling all day. I didn't want you to think I posted and ran. Here's the thing. Yes, doing difficult and sometimes dangerous things what the job is, but, it's just a job. That's it. It's a place DH goes, does a good job while he's there, and then goes home. For that, they pay him less than he'd earn as the manager at a Pizza Hut.
I absolutely do not trust systems to work well at this point in time. It took DH almost 5 months to get properly fitting gear to protect him during X-rays (though I suppose by the Dallas standard he could have just wrapped his giant man-neck in tin foil.) His department (which should have 14 nurses) currently has 10 due to what he explained as a hiring freeze. They are understaffed, overworked, and don't have enough resources, and that's when mistakes happen. No matter how careful you are, human error is a real problem, even with perfect systems.
I'm obviously not saying, "Run for the hills!" but if Mr. 5th were suddenly appointed to the Ebola team (I don't think such a thing currently exists at his hospital) and an infected patient came in? I have no idea how he feels about it, but if I have my way, it's time to go manage a Pizza Hut.
So I just read that the hospital staff didn't actually wear any special gear until they confirmed he had Ebola. So they were treating a patient being tested for Ebola with normal hospital gear. This went on for TWO days. !!!
I'm sure this is the CDC's fault!
So is it possible to sue the CDC for gross negligence?
Yeah I'm totes sure instructions from CDC were all like:
Dear American Hospitals, CEOs, corporate partners, shareholders, and investors of said hospitals,
Please don't worry about Ebola even if you are treating someone from Nigeria with signs of Ebola until you get actual proof that he has Ebola.
Hugs and kisses (air of course!), CDC
liberia. Not Nigeria.
Pdq:
This is a bone of contention for me today because our exec team wants our employees returning from high risk countries (and those they name at their discretion) to go into quarantine and use their PTO for hat time. The part in parentheses is making me crazy because Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea are CDC level 3 alert. democratic republic of Congo is level 2. Nigeria is level 1 and expected to be take off alert status. A significant number of our black nurses are Nigerian. So communications have listed the first 3 countries, excluded Congo but included Nigeria. My question is - on what basis? Because it rhymes with Liberia? What about S. Africa? If it hits level 1 will we add them on the list? Or is it only the rhyming countries and those with dark skinned majorities? If we were paying them out of some pandemic support PTO pool I wouldn't care but this is their banked time and may cause them to be out of pay for 3 weeks. Sigh. We are also checking to see if quarantined workers can be covered by our STD vendor.
Eta I support the quarantine. And am the author of the communications. But I am pissed about Congo being stricken because I am using logic in the countries I am listing that is legally defensible, as opposed to gut suspicion that things are not reported correctly from Nigeria or whatever other reason they are using.
I’m having a really, really hard time wrapping my mind about the horror of Ebola. I’m reading all these articles that say things like “Profuse and extensive production of diarrhea and vomiting” and I just can’t even imagine the level this must rise to.
Me too. I keep typing out responses and deleting them when I remember this. As I said earlier, hepatitis is transmitted the same way as Ebola and therefore the standard PPE and protocols they are supposed to use all the time should protect them. But then I remember the copious fluids and I realize I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
None of which was followed with Duncan, because he was sitting out in the emergency room with other patients for hours. Both times.
this is what bothers me. CDC should have issued posters for people to print and post that describe EBOLA symptoms and what to do to check in if presenting with them. I mean, we should have some national public service announcements instructing people who suspect exposure to Ebola to call ahead when going to the ED so people can be properly questioned ahead of time and triaged for expedited isolation and ensure workers have PPE to greet them.
So I am local and my son was delivered at presby. I was formerly a surgical rep and have done cases at this hospital. This is not a bad hospital. I firmly believe that this is a result of poor protocols from the CDC. No hospital in texas is equipped to my knowledge with the kind of isolation unit Emory has. A very close family friend is the COO of another hospital in N Texas. He said that the CDC protocols have literally changed every day leading him to believe that they do not fully understand the disease and makes being fully prepared nearly impossible.
I am reluctant to believe the CDC protocols have changed daily. In fact I am almost certain they haven't, b/c CDC updates the date the protocols were last updated online and that has not been daily. You can see some for yourself with last updated dates of 10/3, 9/13, etc
Also where are the other biocontainment units? I know of Emory and Omaha, NE, but there are 4 yes?
. Montana and Maryland (army base though)
The National Institutes of Health (NIH) hospital in Bethesda, Maryland, Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia, the University of Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha, and St. Patrick Hospital in Missoula, Montana
Many hospitals have tube systems that run from all units down the lab, which is usually in the basement. They are very handy but a lot of things can go wrong with them. The CDC specifically states not to use them and that all samples should be walked to the laboratory.
I guess I just have a hard time believing they would admit it even if it were true. Anything's possible I guess.
And yet they did.
It sounds like it was someone who checked a chart, saw that 99.5 is less than 100.4 and was like "ok, fine!" Which is for an organization that is supposed to be on top of this shit.