I thought it was pretty obvious that Gabriel locked himself inside the church with all the food and left the congregation outside to die, but maybe there was more? I was surprised Rick didn't confront him with that.
I don't like him at all and Tyrese is starting to get on my nerves too. Yea, they might come through at the end, but they always screw something up along the way. I do think Bob was bitten, that last kiss with Sasha right before he walked out was weird. Like he was saying goodbye.
Btw, can anyone answer: just how bad is Father Gabriel? On TD they discussed his reaction toward the walkers and I agreed with them. After all this time, no one should be that terrified. It makes me think that either he's acting or that he's always had people do his dirty work for him.
In the comics, he's not bad so much as he's a coward. He basically locked everyone out of his church and wouldn't let them in so they died/turned. I think he's still alive in the comics, but kind of faded into the background.
I guess all things considered then he's not that bad. I wonder why he didn't the church lady in if it seems like something was going on with them.
I thought it was pretty obvious that Gabriel locked himself inside the church with all the food and left the congregation outside to die, but maybe there was more? I was surprised Rick didn't confront him with that.
Yeah, I think that's clear. He probably locked the doors of the church and kept himself inside/waited for everyone to die/took their food.
Definitely think Bob was bitten, and he was outside crying because he was just settling in and NOW got bitten. But then, leg eatings.
Okay, if Tyreese really thought he killed that dude, how does he look so good now? Wasn't that like 3 days ago? He was beaten so badly, blood was coming out of his ears, and now he looks as fresh and douchey as the day we met him? Nope.
Who else are they going to take? I saw in the previews that they now have "three of our people."
Also, I predict Morgan comes in and saves our crew.
I'm almost 100% sure that Sasha is referring to Daryl, Carol, and Bob when she says that. Daryl and Carol jumped in that car at the end of the episode and chased after the cross car because Daryl was like, "they've got Beth, come on get in" or whatever he said. So, the rest of the group doesn't know where they are and I think they will assume they were with Bob and also taken.
I could be wrong, but that's my theory.
I also saw some clips from Beth's episode (episode 4) today but they were taken down...it looks pretty intriguing, and it looks like they are definitely jumping around with the timeline, which should be interesting.
I'm almost 100% sure that Sasha is referring to Daryl, Carol, and Bob when she says that. Daryl and Carol jumped in that car at the end of the episode and chased after the cross car because Daryl was like, "they've got Beth, come on get in" or whatever he said. So, the rest of the group doesn't know where they are and I think they will assume they were with Bob and also taken.
I could be wrong, but that's my theory.
I also saw some clips from Beth's episode (episode 4) today but they were taken down...it looks pretty intriguing, and it looks like they are definitely jumping around with the timeline, which should be interesting.
I completely agree with your assessment and I also saw the four leaked clips. I'm so excited for the Beth episode, but I am becoming more and more worried that she is going to die this season due to one of the things included. I really hope not
I'm actually not worried about her dying, but I know a lot of people are. I just think it's a waste and redundant if they go that path with setting up a search for her by Daryl. IDK, the show could prove me wrong, and they've certainly done things I think are stupid in the past. But, I think if they kill her off it's like repeating the Sophia/Meryl story lines. I don't really see the point of putting the effort into developing/changing Daryl's character (he's clearly been more hopeful/emotional/open in the past two episodes) only to have him fail again and have someone he was searching for die before he finds them or right after. I just think that would - realistically - send him spiraling back to who he was instead of a man whose found a home and a family, making all of that development pointless. I find it hard to believe Daryl could handle another failure, if that makes sense, and not regress. Personally, I don't find that compelling at all - him regressing - because they spent so much time trying to get him to the point of fully becoming part of the group/family and showing that he has everything to lose and that he believes he has something to lose.
I know people on this show die, and I know that any hope/happiness is tempered by grief or something horrible, but I have very strong opinions about how the show needs to offer some real hope/happiness to retain viewers and to try and gain critical acclaim as a television show. Things that work in the comics don't necessarily work in the television medium, and you have to get the audience to connect to the characters and story. It's a fine line for this show, but I think for me, Beth dying before or shortly after she is reunited/Daryl finds her, would kill the show for me. Mostly for redundancy...my god, let the man have some success, lol. But also because as a viewer, there's only so much hopelessness I can take.
Oh, I agree 100% eclaires. It would be completely redundant to do a third "Daryl searches for someone and fails to reach them in time" storyline, and it would definitely kill the show for me a bit as well. I really should have more faith in Gimple because he's been a fantastic showrunner so far, but following filming spoilers has made me a bit crazy (I don't want to post my concerns and spoil it for others, but one of the other characters being included in a Beth scene + EK's filming schedule really gave me pause).
From following the filming spoilers, I think they can tell us virtually nothing, especially about the timeline. Because already there are things that happened in the filming timeline that should have shown up in the show (episode 2) but they aren't there. So I think that's all out of order, and I think it's so hard to even know who is filming and what the hell is going on. Following those drove me crazy all summer, too.
I'll put this in spoiler tags, but I'm not sure how much it gives away.
Gimple has said the timeline is not linear, and I don't think that applies solely to the first episode because I think the quote references all of 5A. I think that scene of Beth with Carol on the stretcher is the closing scene to episode 4, but I don't think we will see how Carol got there until a later episode. We'll see it from Beth's point of view and then we'll see it from Carol/Daryl's point of view. That's my theory at least.
The other scene that I think is the closing scene for episode 3 - Daryl/Michonne and "come out" or "bring 'em out" makes me think if it's "bring 'em out" it's that Noah guy and he and Carol track him down somehow. But he's in scenes with Beth at the hospital during episode 4, which would mean that happened after some of the hospital story line.
IDK, I could be way off, but I feel pretty sure that the two closing scenes we saw were episode 3 and episode 4. It doesn't make sense to me that much later season 5A episodes would have been available to be leaked. So I think the timeline is jumping around somehow.
I completely agree with your timeline (and that generally seems to be the consensus on tumblr as well), that's not really my concern. How do you post that spoiler hider??
you tag it like an image, but with the word spoiler
I'm mostly concerned because EK hasn't been spotted filming for 3 months, and according to her twitter and instagram has barely been in GA during that time (she's had midweek shows and events in LA and NYC almost every week, plus random fans will take pictures with her in places other than GA and post them frequently). I figured she'd just be absent from the show for several episodes, much like Carol was last season. But, now that clip showing Carol at the hospital kind of kills that theory for me, since MMB has been seen filming A LOT over the last few months. If Beth and Carol were both at the hospital, how does Carol make it back to the group but Beth doesn't? Only thing I can think of is Beth leaves to get help for Carol and in the meantime the group comes and rescues her. Plus there are those filming spoiler photos of Daryl carrying a body wrapped in a white sheet. I can't see why he'd be carrying some random like that.
I think EK has filmed... someone I know went through her schedule the past 2-3m and pointed out the gaps where she was likely in GA and possibly filming. I think they are hiding her, though, so it's hard to say. Also, Carol/MMB wasn't spotted on set after episode 2 until she and Daryl were filming in downtown Atlanta where she gets hit by the car/van drop stuff, so I think what we see is so out of order and limited, that it's hard to rely on that. Anyway, despite all that, the one thing that makes me think Beth is alive and well is how obvious EK is about flitting all over the place. I feel like if she was actually dead, the show would tell her to be less obvious about not filming, lol.
I read the body thing was a child/childsize, but I have no idea.
i am annoyed that carol traipsed out to the car at night to run away and daryl being a puppy dog just followed her. i understand his first instinct is to find beth but, JHFC, the whole group JUST NOW got back together and they are split again.
and i really dont care about beth dying. i understand wanting to have daryl find beth and it be happy-ish but i dont think that would be the reality in the ZA.
that damn baby is alive. that is all the hope i need for season 5. lol
I think I would care less about the outcome of this story line and Beth dying if they hadn't done the whole - omg we lost someone, we better find them, Daryl will track them! Daryl is invested in this! set up. Because they set it up this way, I will find it redundant and annoying if it ends the same way as all the other times, even if it would be more realistic in a ZA setting. It just seems pointless to me to develop that character (Daryl), only to slam him down again 10 episodes or so later. Like, tell us a new story about this man, please and thank you.
Plus, I kind of like the idea that Daryl - the man who has nothing pre-ZA - becomes a man who has "everything" in the ZA. It's an interesting journey to me that of everyone, he's gained the most and his life is almost better than it was pre-ZA. But if they keep having him fail, I find it unrealistic that he wouldn't just sink into a depression and give up. IDK, he finally has some self worth outside of his skills and truly believes people love him for who he is and accept him as part of his family. I guess I want to see some pay off from that instead of an endless cycle of his failures. That bores me.
I think I would care less about the outcome of this story line and Beth dying if they hadn't done the whole - omg we lost someone, we better find them, Daryl will track them! Daryl is invested in this! set up. Because they set it up this way, I will find it redundant and annoying if it ends the same way as all the other times, even if it would be more realistic in a ZA setting. It just seems pointless to me to develop that character (Daryl), only to slam him down again 10 episodes or so later. Like, tell us a new story about this man, please and thank you.
Plus, I kind of like the idea that Daryl - the man who has nothing pre-ZA - becomes a man who has "everything" in the ZA. It's an interesting journey to me that of everyone, he's gained the most and his life is almost better than it was pre-ZA. But if they keep having him fail, I find it unrealistic that he wouldn't just sink into a depression and give up. IDK, he finally has some self worth outside of his skills and truly believes people love him for who he is and accept him as part of his family. I guess I want to see some pay off from that instead of an endless cycle of his failures. That bores me.
i agree with your last part - that he has gained something that he didn't have pre-ZA.
but, hasn't the entire story of Beth been you can have hope in the face of all this shit. wouldn't her lesson and love for him be enough to carry him on and not have him revert back to the damaged asshole he was before the ZA? i think that beth symbolizing hope and goodness would be transferred to him were he able to find and save her (and then sex her, lets me honesty here. lol) and then it would be ok that she died.
and i hate you guys for the spoilers. tempting me to click and shit. lol
Oh if we get that payoff, I could see that - her remaining with him even if she bites it. I think she has to survive season 5 and have them have those moments for it to allow him to maintain that hope and the change in his character. I mean if she dies right after they reunite or as they reunite, it would be pointless. I think it's a different story line if they have a reunion and moments together and then she dies.
I love gory movies, that scene on Hannibal turned my stomach. I could not watch it. It was horrific.
are you talking about the movie? or the TV show where Hannibal feeds Eddie Izzard his own leg?
The TV show. But I am talking about the scene where Mason cuts off his own face and eats it after Hannibal told him to. But that one with Eddie Izzard was pretty gross too. The Mason scene makes me shudder to think about.
Post by jeaniebueller on Oct 21, 2014 10:22:04 GMT -5
I watched Sunday's episode last night and am kind of feeling let down. The first episode was a strong start, but now with the introduction of the priest and the basement zombies/food sidebar, its just another introduction to pointless characters and scenarios that take away from them trying to go to D.C. or whatever. I think I need to start embracing the fact that the show is just about their survival and doesn't necessarily have forward movement in terms of the big picture and I would enjoy it a lot more. I just feel like its already falling into the past season's weaknesses---wasting time on pointless stuff, characters making dumb decisions, same old, same old. I am also disillusioned because I read that article in RS a few months ago about how the show's budget has severely restricted what the writers can do in terms of plot development. Screw you, AMC!
Post by phunluvin82 on Oct 21, 2014 16:03:44 GMT -5
Can someone remind me what the deal is with the watch that Carol gave back to Rick? Was that Rick's watch originally? The one he gave to that guy in the house so they could meet back up, but he never showed?
And Rick said something about, "I saw them kill him" or something when Carol gave the watch to him.
Also, do we trust the D.C. people? What was that comment about 'that is why we wait to make our move' or whatever in the beginning? Did he just mean, 'yeah, we need to convince these people to come with us b/c they are bad ass and will help us to not get killed'?
Can someone remind me what the deal is with the watch that Carol gave back to Rick? Was that Rick's watch originally? The one he gave to that guy in the house so they could meet back up, but he never showed?
And Rick said something about, "I saw them kill him" or something when Carol gave the watch to him.
Also, do we trust the D.C. people? What was that comment about 'that is why we wait to make our move' or whatever in the beginning? Did he just mean, 'yeah, we need to convince these people to come with us b/c they are bad ass and will help us to not get killed'?
Yes. Carol found that watch at Terminus when she found Daryl's bow. It was in the room with the personal belongings of people killed (I guess).
As far as the DC people I think he just meant that he was going to wait to force the issue but it did seem more ominous. I took it to mean that he wants them to go to DC because of their strength but that he also wanted to choose his time to push wisely because they are a strong group of people and he knew he wouldn't be able to force them into it, which he may have been able to do in the past with other people.
Can someone remind me what the deal is with the watch that Carol gave back to Rick? Was that Rick's watch originally? The one he gave to that guy in the house so they could meet back up, but he never showed?
And Rick said something about, "I saw them kill him" or something when Carol gave the watch to him.
Also, do we trust the D.C. people? What was that comment about 'that is why we wait to make our move' or whatever in the beginning? Did he just mean, 'yeah, we need to convince these people to come with us b/c they are bad ass and will help us to not get killed'?
Yes. Carol found that watch at Terminus when she found Daryl's bow. It was in the room with the personal belongings of people killed (I guess).
As far as the DC people I think he just meant that he was going to wait to force the issue but it did seem more ominous. I took it to mean that he wants them to go to DC because of their strength but that he also wanted to choose his time to push wisely because they are a strong group of people and he knew he wouldn't be able to force them into it, which he may have been able to do in the past with other people.
Yeah, I remember her picking it up and everything, but I just wasn't sure if there was some further significance. B/c I remembered Rick gave his watch to that guy and girl that they found in a house and then they (presumably) got killed by walkers before they could meet back up with Rick. They wanted to help by picking peaches or some shit but they were useless with walkers...and then Rick felt all bad that he didn't save them.
I watched Sunday's episode last night and am kind of feeling let down. The first episode was a strong start, but now with the introduction of the priest and the basement zombies/food sidebar, its just another introduction to pointless characters and scenarios that take away from them trying to go to D.C. or whatever. I think I need to start embracing the fact that the show is just about their survival and doesn't necessarily have forward movement in terms of the big picture and I would enjoy it a lot more. I just feel like its already falling into the past season's weaknesses---wasting time on pointless stuff, characters making dumb decisions, same old, same old. I am also disillusioned because I read that article in RS a few months ago about how the show's budget has severely restricted what the writers can do in terms of plot development. Screw you, AMC!
This is where I really think they could benefit from an end date, whether it's next season or 5 years from now. You can't plan big picture stuff like a zombie cure w/o knowing how long the show is supposed to last, and several of these kinds of serial dramas have benefited from an end-date (ie LOST, Mad Men).
But that won't happen because this show makes $$$$ for AMC. So I'll keep expecting crap on the big-picture front.
Are the zombies supposed to be rotting or are the makeup artists getting better at making zombies? The ones attacking Father Gabriel looked pretty hard up. Water zombies... well...
ETA: deleted my other question. I skimmed this thread before I watched and didn't see that the symbol on the tree was covered.
1) I know I've seen the symbol that was carved in to the tree at the end before. Someone tell me where?
2) Are the zombies supposed to be rotting or are the makeup artists getting better at making zombies? The ones attacking Father Gabriel looked pretty hard up. Water zombies... well...
1. the symbol was tattooed on the face of the guy glenn let out of the boxcar in the season opener
2. they are rotting. any zombie that has survived since the beginning of the ZA would be pretty decomped by now. but in general, they are getting slower, weaker and more bits and pieces
I was hoping the answer to #2 was that it was intentional. I'm a firm believer that a ZA would not be indefinite because the zombies would get slower and fall apart while the survivors would get better at surviving. I think you could wait it out.
Can someone please explain to me why they are trusting this random dude who claims to have a cure?? But he can't possibly explain it to them. And also there's a super safe place in DC that they're TOTALLY going to let strangers into. Come on.
Can someone please explain to me why they are trusting this random dude who claims to have a cure?? But he can't possibly explain it to them. And also there's a super safe place in DC that they're TOTALLY going to let strangers into. Come on.
It's especially ridiculous considering the added CDC story line in the TV show that isn't in the comics.
Basically I find the two main story lines from the comics that are currently incorporated into the show to be comic relief. It's too comic-y for me and it takes me out of the show and what I like about the show. Eugene is ridiculous and unbelievable. And Gareth chomping on Bob's leg meat was disgusting but ridiculous and made me laugh at the same time.
But are they all really that gung ho about following Eugene? Abraham & Co keep talking about heading to DC, but the rest of them don't seem to think it is pressing. I got the feeling that they looked at it as, what else are we going to do? They won't leave without knowing what happens to Bob and Daryl and Carol.
And damnit if they don't come up with a secondary rallying point after last season.
Can someone please explain to me why they are trusting this random dude who claims to have a cure?? But he can't possibly explain it to them. And also there's a super safe place in DC that they're TOTALLY going to let strangers into. Come on.
It's especially ridiculous considering the added CDC story line in the TV show that isn't in the comics.
Basically I find the two main story lines from the comics that are currently incorporated into the show to be comic relief. It's too comic-y for me and it takes me out of the show and what I like about the show. Eugene is ridiculous and unbelievable. And Gareth chomping on Bob's leg meat was disgusting but ridiculous and made me laugh at the same time.
Abraham actually looks like a page from a comic book.
I thought that whole thing with Bob was because he was all "you don't have to do this etc." right before they were about to kill him at Terminus. I didnt get the feeling they'd known him before that.
I'm glad you asked about the watch phunluvin82, because I also forgot the significance of it (and also forgot to ask).
I didn't think Bob was bitten but of course reading this thread (and knowing my track history of being wrong with many things on this show), maybe he was. I don't know, I know the story is not linear but isn't Gareth supposed to be in quite a few episodes? I don't know that "tainted meat" could stretch so far, but who knows.
I was also wondering if there is any prior connection with Gareth and Bob. I couldn't tell if the "cosmic justice" line just meant that it was someone from Rick's camp or that it was him specifically. But if Bob knew about Terminus then obviously w(hy)tf would he go back there?
Random but Gareth's voice reminds me of Glenn Howerton's so a lot of times I am imagining Dennis as a cannibal lol.