How many posts ago did Captain say she was dropping it?
auberge, I'm sorry you experienced that. That woman was ignorant and her statement was racist.
You are also gorgeous as are your kids. Every time you post a pic of yourself I think, "damn she is stunning."
I've experienced similar situations (people think I am my fairer twins' Hispanic nanny) and I get offended. I don't care if they think I am A nanny. It's that they think I MUST be the nanny because I look Hispanic. I am neither.
Post by Captain Serious on Oct 21, 2014 9:11:56 GMT -5
Nugget, you know this. I have always been considered white, although my father is Egyptian and my mother is German. I have far more brown skin family members than white ones, but because if my relatively fairer skin, have always been treated white.
ok wait. i don't think captain serious knows what she's saying. she was fighting nugget tooth and nail last night over the difference between racial undertones and racism, but the whole time, CS was actually agreeing with nugget. she was just too lost in the coversation/messaging to realize this.
i feel like that dude from planet earth who is explaining science.
No, she thinks that there's no difference between racial undertones/ignorance and outright racism, and also thinks that you can't consider something racist unless you take into account the speaker's intentions and feelings. Because they might have meant it was a COMPLIMENT, after all.
This is a twisted representation of what I have said.
BUT SPANISH AND GRANDMAS, LUCY. AND IF THEY DIDN'T MEAN TO BE RACIST IT DOESN'T COUNT.
I do not understand the argument about intent, at all. You can call someone the N-word, and then be like, "But I meant it in a brotherly kinda way! You my dog, man!", but that doesn't make it less okay for the other person to completely and utterly beat the shit out of you for being a total racist asshole.
Correct, because that is a slur with a wide-spread understanding as such. But "nanny" is not, and the question could have many different meanings.
I do not understand the argument about intent, at all. You can call someone the N-word, and then be like, "But I meant it in a brotherly kinda way! You my dog, man!", but that doesn't make it less okay for the other person to completely and utterly beat the shit out of you for being a total racist asshole.
Correct, because that is a slur with a wide-spread understanding as such. But "nanny" is not, and the question could have many different meanings.
BUT SPANISH AND GRANDMAS, LUCY. AND IF THEY DIDN'T MEAN TO BE RACIST IT DOESN'T COUNT.
I do not understand the argument about intent, at all. You can call someone the N-word, and then be like, "But I meant it in a brotherly kinda way! You my dog, man!", but that doesn't make it less okay for the other person to completely and utterly beat the shit out of you for being a total racist asshole.
I think intent CAN matter, just not in all cases.
warning: lame example, but I'm tired and its the first thing I thought of. For example, if a British person is visiting the US and calls a little boy, who happens to be black, a cheeky monkey, I wouldn't jump to racism since that is an endearing phrase used for people of all races over there. Over here calling a black person a monkey is racist because of our history with the phrase. It still could be racist, but I wouldn't jump to it in that case knowing that culture are different and intent/understanding/use of the phrase is often different.
**also, for all I know the monkey concept is prevalent in British culture, too. But cheeky monkey is just an example that popped into my head.
I had something similar happen when I was teaching at another school. We had an ESL student from China refer to a black student as "boy." He knew very few English words. It did not go well. But the student who used the word had no cultural background to understand why it was taken negatively. In that case, intent mattered.
BUT SPANISH AND GRANDMAS, LUCY. AND IF THEY DIDN'T MEAN TO BE RACIST IT DOESN'T COUNT.
I agree with you. I can't even with this mentality. I think I mentioned this years ago, but we were at a baptism party for a friend. Some bitch kept calling baby Kirklette "Coco". As in, "Look at Coco. Hi,Coco! You're so beautiful, Coco". I didn't give a rats ass about the woman's intent. She was a racist cunt.
Holy shit. I'm impressed you aren't in jail.
I have little tolerance for people's bigotry or racism or stupidity especially when it comes to my kids.
See I thought this post would be a cut and dried "yup, sure is" and knew I had to get in here when I saw it up to five pages early this morning. Wtf, indeed.
This is a twisted representation of what I have said.
Can you correct it for us then? In four sentences or less?
Can they be run-on sentences?
1. I believe that if a comment has clear, indisputable, negative racial undertones, it is racist, but racism takes many forms, some more nefarious than others, and that not every person who has ever believed or spoken a racist statement is a racist person.
2. I believe that an ignorant comment that can be taken not to be racist in one situation cannot always be assumed to be racist when directed at a person of color, without understanding intent. 3. This does not extend to racial slurs, jokes, or other comments, acts, or behavior that society and history have clearly defined as racist.
I have little tolerance for people's bigotry or racism or stupidity especially when it comes to my kids.
I was in shock and horrified. I clutched the baby, looked at the asshole with tears in my eyes, and forcefully told her,"Her name is not Coco!". Then we left the party.
I would have been too
My post wasn't intended as judgement. I'm sorry if it came across that way. It was outrage on your behalf
Can you correct it for us then? In four sentences or less?
Can they be run-on sentences?
1. I believe that if a comment has clear, indisputable, negative racial undertones, it is racist, but racism takes many forms, some more nefarious than others, and that not every person who has ever believed or spoken a racist statement is a racist person.
2. I believe that an ignorant comment that can be taken not to be racist in one situation cannot always be assumed to be racist when directed at a person of color, without understanding intent. 3. This does not extend to racial slurs, jokes, or other comments, acts, or behavior that society and history have clearly defined as racist.
Well I'll just say that you're entitled to your feelings on this. But don't be surprised when people don't appreciate being told that your intent is somehow more important than their perspective as a person of color. Also, one could argue that making an ignorant comment is only like 1/3 of a notch better than making a racist comment, so you falling all over yourself to separate the two is just silly. Now you're left looking both stupid and offensive. Next time just pick one and roll with it.
Post by Captain Serious on Oct 21, 2014 10:42:33 GMT -5
While it may not affect me, it will affect my kids, and has affected most of my family members. I disagree that I just have to sit down and listen to others dictate how I am to understand racism.
While it may not affect me, it will affect my kids, and has affected most of my family members. I disagree that I just have to sit down and listen to others dictate how I am to understand racism.
And yet in this thread you are failing to understand why the OP and others feel as though the question was racist.
While it may not affect me, it will affect my kids, and has affected most of my family members. I disagree that I just have to sit down and listen to others dictate how I am to understand racism.
Maybe you should GO SAT DOWN and listen to people who have, you know, experienced racism their entire lives. You can't honestly think you, as a person who has been "treated white" her entire life, understand racism in our society.
Frankly, I am disgusted you are not deferring to those very people in this post. You sound incredibly sheltered and pompous.
Rasicm is best defined by those who experience it personally. I think it's ABSOLUTELY asinine to try to dictate what racism is if you have never personally experienced it. And by personally, I mean directly directed at YOU, not your possibly medium toned skinned uncle twice removed.