I support ID requirements. You do not think non citizen attempting to vote is a problem, and it may not be - AT THIS TIME -- but it certainly has the potential to become one. With modern technology I do not see that it would be that hard to provide an ID to those who lack them - or help those without the proper documents to obtain them/ deal with home births/ old lost records etc. How many people really do not have a proper ID? It would not be a huge problem to fix this situation - without a constitutional ammendment. To insure the validity of ALL the votes cast - you must also protect the integrity of the voters casting them.
(one of the incidents of past fraud had a precinct with more votes cast than registered voters, another with about 40 ballots mailed to the same address (and no - 40 people did not live there) it does happen. With a close election, even a small amount of fraud can make a difference in outcome.
With the privilege of voting comes some responsibilities --- among them to GET an ID, and REGISTER . You cannot force people to be responsible. but you can assist those who have difficulties in obtaining and ID resolve the difficulties/obstacles.
If a criminal wants to fake an id they can easily. Any law won't stop them from voting.
That's the other thing. Ask any 19 year old how easy it is to get a fake ID. Are we going to train all poll workers now to analyze a photo ID and recognize fakes? How much will that cost?
If a criminal wants to fake an id they can easily. Any law won't stop them from voting.
That's the other thing. Ask any 19 year old how easy it is to get a fake ID. Are we going to train all poll workers now to analyze a photo ID and recognize fakes? How much will that cost?
I cannot be the only one currently picturing Anthony Michael Hall in The Breakfast Club, with his fake ID so he can vote.
Is there any evidence that people who are not citizens are even attempting to vote in our elections?
I just don't think this is a real problem.
I support ID requirements. You do not think non citizen attempting to vote is a problem, and it may not be - AT THIS TIME -- but it certainly has the potential to become one. With modern technology I do not see that it would be that hard to provide an ID to those who lack them - or help those without the proper documents to obtain them/ deal with home births/ old lost records etc. How many people really do not have a proper ID? It would not be a huge problem to fix this situation - without a constitutional ammendment. To insure the validity of ALL the votes cast - you must also protect the integrity of the voters casting them.
(one of the incidents of past fraud had a precinct with more votes cast than registered voters, another with about 40 ballots mailed to the same address (and no - 40 people did not live there) it does happen. With a close election, even a small amount of fraud can make a difference in outcome.
With the privilege of voting comes some responsibilities --- among them to GET an ID, and REGISTER . You cannot force people to be responsible. but you can assist those who have difficulties in obtaining and ID resolve the difficulties/obstacles.
Is there any evidence that people who are not citizens are even attempting to vote in our elections?
I just don't think this is a real problem.
I support ID requirements. You do not think non citizen attempting to vote is a problem, and it may not be - AT THIS TIME -- but it certainly has the potential to become one. With modern technology I do not see that it would be that hard to provide an ID to those who lack them - or help those without the proper documents to obtain them/ deal with home births/ old lost records etc. How many people really do not have a proper ID? It would not be a huge problem to fix this situation - without a constitutional ammendment. To insure the validity of ALL the votes cast - you must also protect the integrity of the voters casting them.
(one of the incidents of past fraud had a precinct with more votes cast than registered voters, another with about 40 ballots mailed to the same address (and no - 40 people did not live there) it does happen. With a close election, even a small amount of fraud can make a difference in outcome.
With the privilege of voting comes some responsibilities --- among them to GET an ID, and REGISTER . You cannot force people to be responsible. but you can assist those who have difficulties in obtaining and ID resolve the difficulties/obstacles.
Then why not put the onus on the government to prove fraud, rather than on the individuals to provide their own ID? Check citizenship status when people register to vote (I think this is already done). Then... well, only so many people can register/vote.
Post by Velar Fricative on Oct 22, 2014 11:24:40 GMT -5
So lys, am I supposed to tolerate the thinking behind the ads heyjude just posted, because I'm a liberal and should therefore always be tolerant of other viewpoints? No thanks.
So lys, am I supposed to tolerate the thinking behind the ads heyjude just posted, because I'm a liberal and should therefore always be tolerant of other viewpoints? No thanks.
You do not have to agree with them , nor like them, but tolerate them yes. It is called freedom of thought and speech. Expressing displeasure with them definitely OK - (there are people who may feel the same way about your views - are they supposed to tolerate you?)
There was a lady in Ohio that voted 4 times in the last Presidential election because she wanted to make sure Obama won -- and she worked at the polls! Charged, found guilty and serving time in prison now.
What is the number of people denied voting rights because they are unable to get an ID? Really. That CAN be fixed.
It is my understanding, and I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong, but I thought it was the states that determined the voting requirements in their own state.
When signing in to vote, my ID is scanned on a computerized device and is validated/verifired electronically with official computer records.
So lys, am I supposed to tolerate the thinking behind the ads heyjude just posted, because I'm a liberal and should therefore always be tolerant of other viewpoints? No thanks.
You do not have to agree with them , nor like them, but tolerate them yes. It is called freedom of thought and speech. Expressing displeasure with them definitely OK - (there are people who may feel the same way about your views - are they supposed to tolerate you?)
There was a lady in Ohio that voted 4 times in the last Presidential election because she wanted to make sure Obama won -- and she worked at the polls! Charged, found guilty and serving time in prison now.
What is the number of people denied voting rights because they are unable to get an ID? Really. That CAN be fixed.
It is my understanding, and I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong, but I thought it was the states that determined the voting requirements in their own state.
When signing in to vote, my ID is scanned on a computerized device and is validated/verifired electronically with official computer records.
So....isn't this a good indication that the system already works?
I also don't see how IDs would have prevented this.
So lys, am I supposed to tolerate the thinking behind the ads heyjude just posted, because I'm a liberal and should therefore always be tolerant of other viewpoints? No thanks.
You do not have to agree with them , nor like them, but tolerate them yes. It is called freedom of thought and speech. Expressing displeasure with them definitely OK - (there are people who may feel the same way about your views - are they supposed to tolerate you?)
There was a lady in Ohio that voted 4 times in the last Presidential election because she wanted to make sure Obama won -- and she worked at the polls! Charged, found guilty and serving time in prison now.
What is the number of people denied voting rights because they are unable to get an ID? Really. That CAN be fixed.
It is my understanding, and I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong, but I thought it was the states that determined the voting requirements in their own state.
When signing in to vote, my ID is scanned on a computerized device and is validated/verifired electronically with official computer records.
They do, but those requirements still have to comply with the Constitution.
Voting is a fundamental right. Therefore any restrictions have to achieve a compelling government interest and do so using the least restrictive means possible. Nothing you have posted here has demonstrated that these laws comply with that requirement.