I think if the church wanted to give a shower, they should just call it a baby shower, the other stuff is crazy. I and my church are prolife and we always have showers for members having a baby, but the invitations don't say anything crazy like that. I think its irresponsible to convince her to keep her baby when she is not able/wants it. I hope she just is doing it because thats her wish, not because of pressure from your neighbor. I would suggest adoption, but I would not push anything, that's her personal decision. All churches that are pro-life are not overboard like this!
The fuckery of your statement aside, for the love of god it's should have or should've, could have or could've.
Good catch.
Actually no, it's not really taking much skill to "catch" on to your fuckery or ignorance. It also doesn't take a master grammarian to notice your terrible grammar.
Post by MixedBerryJam on Oct 22, 2014 10:02:47 GMT -5
I'm speechless. This is actually worse than I expected (I have only read the first page at this point; I hope we're still on the original topic or I'm going to sound pretty stupid). I thought this was going to be about one of those showers that the ladies' auxilliary some places will hold for homeless shelters and whatnot; people bring baby supplies and they get distributed. I've never heard them actually called "pro life shower" but that's what I thought of. My heart aches for the baby that grows up with a mother ill-prepared for parenthood. I hope she at least has a ton people in back of her, supporting her. The cynic in me thinks the people holding the pro-life shower (which, ick, btw) will not be as interested in supporting the baby/toddler/kid/teenager as they are the fetus.
Putting the best interests of the child is what should be the most important decision that woman makes. Yes it may be hard, but not everything in life is going to be easy. She needs to not think of herself but of the baby since she has decided to keep it. Those ladies giving her a shower isn't going to help her raise this child for the next 18 years.
Yeah, because all poor women make terrible parents and if they would just give away their children to richer, better people everyone ends up riding a unicorn over a rainbow.
As is the case with biological parents, there are amazing adoptive parents and some really terrible adoptive parents. While adoption is often the best outcome in a difficult situation, it's not the magic bullet you seem to think it is and the suggestion that someone doesn't deserve to raise her own child merely because she is poor is gross.
Read these and tell me that adoption made any of these children better off. Trigger warning for child abuse and death:
I don't think just giving a child up for adoption is as easy as some of you think it is.
I never said easy. But it's easier than murder. It's still an emotional toll, but guess what, emotions get involved after a life is created. No way around it. But that part is done, so how are you going to handle the 2nd life now? No solution is going to be easy.
I don't think just giving a child up for adoption is as easy as some of you think it is.
I never said easy. But it's easier than murder. It's still an emotional toll, but guess what, emotions get involved after a life is created. No way around it. But that part is done, so how are you going to handle the 2nd life now? No solution is going to be easy.
That's my cue to disregard whatever else you have to say.
I don't think just giving a child up for adoption is as easy as some of you think it is.
I never said easy. But it's easier than murder. It's still an emotional toll, but guess what, emotions get involved after a life is created. No way around it. But that part is done, so how are you going to handle the 2nd life now? No solution is going to be easy.
Omg I give up. There is no reasoning with the crazy.
Putting the best interests of the child is what should be the most important decision that woman makes. Yes it may be hard, but not everything in life is going to be easy. She needs to not think of herself but of the baby since she has decided to keep it. Those ladies giving her a shower isn't going to help her raise this child for the next 18 years.
This is moronic. Sorry/not sorry. Did it never occur to you that in most places a woman can't just give the child away? Does it occur to you that someone fathered this child? That if a father steps forward and does not agree, she is stuck raising this kid anyway? That the woman may be in an abusive relationship and this could keep her in it for the next 20 years? Seriously?
I don't think just giving a child up for adoption is as easy as some of you think it is.
I never said easy. But it's easier than murder. It's still an emotional toll, but guess what, emotions get involved after a life is created. No way around it. But that part is done, so how are you going to handle the 2nd life now? No solution is going to be easy.
You think it's murder. So...what's the appropriate penalty for abortion? Death penalty? Life in prison? Against the woman or the doctor or both? Explain how you will investigate the cause of a miscarriage.
I am truly interested in your answers, so you probably won't bother to reply.
This really isn't the case with anywhere near every pro-lifer.
I agree with you. I respect the Catholic church for being consistent on the issue of life, and their support for necessary social services.
However, a very large percentage of the anti-choice crowd not only opposes abortion, but also opposes sex education, birth control, and social services for the child after he/she is born. They oppose a living wage that would allow people to raise children out of poverty, and they oppose paid maternity leave. They oppose child care assistance. Their concern for the health of the baby seems to stop the moment of birth.
To me, it seems that they are in favor of punishing women for having sex, rather than protecting children.
Except for when they shut down orphanages because they would have to allow the gays to adopt. The horror!
I agree with you. I respect the Catholic church for being consistent on the issue of life, and their support for necessary social services.
However, a very large percentage of the anti-choice crowd not only opposes abortion, but also opposes sex education, birth control, and social services for the child after he/she is born. They oppose a living wage that would allow people to raise children out of poverty, and they oppose paid maternity leave. They oppose child care assistance. Their concern for the health of the baby seems to stop the moment of birth.
To me, it seems that they are in favor of punishing women for having sex, rather than protecting children.
Except for when they shut down orphanages because they would have to allow the gays to adopt. The horror!
But yeah, I agree with everything else you say.
True. There is that. At least they are anti-death penalty? Sigh.
I don't think just giving a child up for adoption is as easy as some of you think it is.
I never said easy. But it's easier than murder. It's still an emotional toll, but guess what, emotions get involved after a life is created. No way around it. But that part is done, so how are you going to handle the 2nd life now? No solution is going to be easy.
Fuck you. As someone who got pregnant after a rape and had to have an abortion, fuck you. The choice to have the abortion was the easiest part of the whole thing. I assure you the "emotional toll" of rape and the aftermath was much harder.
OMG. They shamed that woman into have a child she cannot care for and now they're shaming her all over again by calling her baby shower a "pro-life baby shower"?! WTF are they thinking?!
I don't think just giving a child up for adoption is as easy as some of you think it is.
I never said easy. But it's easier than murder. It's still an emotional toll, but guess what, emotions get involved after a life is created. No way around it. But that part is done, so how are you going to handle the 2nd life now? No solution is going to be easy.
As a "murderer", I can assure you that for many women, it is much, much easier to choose abortion than adoption. Your post was so uncalled for here.
I never said easy. But it's easier than murder. It's still an emotional toll, but guess what, emotions get involved after a life is created. No way around it. But that part is done, so how are you going to handle the 2nd life now? No solution is going to be easy.
There are seriously not enough fuck yous in the world.
I don't think just giving a child up for adoption is as easy as some of you think it is.
I never said easy. But it's easier than murder. It's still an emotional toll, but guess what, emotions get involved after a life is created. No way around it. But that part is done, so how are you going to handle the 2nd life now? No solution is going to be easy.
Well, now littlemermaid isn't the biggest asshole in this thread. Why don't you join her and go fuck yourself.
Hold on, does the invitation tell everyone she got accidentally pregnant but they convinced her to do otherwise? I have so many questions.
The invitation doesn't say she got accidentally pregnant, I believe it says something like "So and So chose life" or some crap like that. I only know her story because a few months ago neighbor told my MIL (who also lives on my street) that she was trying to convivce this woman to keep her child and wanted to know if MIL would bring my DD around to show her how amazing kids are. I was appalled then by the whole thing and also told MIL that there was no way in hell she was bringing my DD to "show off."
These people are not pro life. They are pro birth. And I am sad for both mother and child and wish them the best.
And fuck pro birthers for forced feeding their agenda on a woman whi needs more send a box of diapers and wipes and a hand-me-down crib. shame on them and I don't really think God is as pleased with them as they are with themselves
For Effing Real.
Does the pregnant woman know these biddies are having a shower for her or is this going to be a surprise? I can't even imagine the level of embarrassment this is putting on this poor woman. I am dying of second-hand embarrassment for her. And that's assuming she already knows. I think I would want to die right there and then if I happened to go to church with my "friend" one day and I walked in to this abomination.
Post by dawnzersong on Oct 22, 2014 10:36:18 GMT -5
I wonder why the busybodies throwing this shower, little mermaid, and pamela don't have the same amount of self-righteous lecturing and shame to direct at the father in this situation?
I never said easy. But it's easier than murder.- It's still an emotional toll, but guess what, emotions get involved after a life is created. No way around it. But that part is done, so how are you going to handle the 2nd life now? No solution is going to be easy.
You, my dear, are a raging fucking idiot and I hope you get flamed so bad you never come back.
Oh Pamela has been flamed a many of times for idiotic comments, this is no different and I'm sure she's not going anywhere.
I wonder why the busybodies throwing this shower, little mermaid, and pamela don't have the same amount of self-righteous lecturing and shame to direct at the father in this situation?
Because this is all the mom's fault for tempting him into sin, don't you know? She should have kept her legs shut.
I wonder why the busybodies throwing this shower, little mermaid, and pamela don't have the same amount of self-righteous lecturing and shame to direct at the father in this situation?
Post by iammalcolmx on Oct 22, 2014 10:43:42 GMT -5
Oh Pamela WHY??? I seriously can accept that Pro-lifers believe abortion is murder, I really can. However STAPH IT with the adoption stuff just STAPH IT!!!
I don't think just giving a child up for adoption is as easy as some of you think it is.
I never said easy. But it's easier than murder. It's still an emotional toll, but guess what, emotions get involved after a life is created. No way around it. But that part is done, so how are you going to handle the 2nd life now? No solution is going to be easy.
Oh Pamela WHY??? I seriously can accept that Pro-lifers believe abortion is murder, I really can. However STAPH IT with the adoption stuff just STAPH IT!!!
I think she does it just to get people riled up. She never stays and discusses it. It's just an elevator fart and then she leaves.
Post by lexxasaurus on Oct 22, 2014 10:46:38 GMT -5
Another "murderer" here. It was far easier choice for me than going through a pregnancy and childbirth and then either not being capable of being a mother (as I was in an extremely bad situation) or having to give a child up. I knew in my heart what my decision would be all along. I have no guilt over it. I don't think everyone should have an abortion, but I'm pro CHOICE. I support it being a legal choice for women, and one that should be available without shame or stigma.