Pamela has a history that might make her very sensitive to this comment, so this remark might come off as truly hurtful.
EVERYONE STOP.
I just realized the same poster made these comments.
AE gone wrong? Dafaq? It's been a Week, use tiny words.
Nah, I am not an AE. I fully support flaming anti choicers for their position and for their bullshit, and I often flame Pamela who has said some bizarre shit. At the same time I didn't want a flaming to actually hurt her. I don't know. IT IS A STRANGE DAY INDEED WHEN I FEEL COMPELLED TO STAND UP FOR AN ANTI. I just think she's had a hard road.
IDK. Assuming we're referring to Pamela's history being a miscarriage... I do feel a little squicky about throwing that back in her face. I feel like miscarrying a wanted baby is an entirely different emotional issue than choosing to have an abortion (assuming the abortion was not for humane/medical reasons, I guess. If it was medical I'd say it's more similar to a miscarriage).
It's not cool to call me a murderer, but I more or less roll my eyes because duh, I'm not one. I don't believe I killed a baby, I believe I stopped some cells from becoming a potential baby. I did not love that cluster of cells. If anything, I hated it. If someone truly beleived they were carrying an actual baby and loved that baby and then lost it... I know biologically they are the same thing, maybe, but it's not the same.
*AGAIN, POINTS BACK TO THE RAPE VICTIM PAMELA JUST CALLED A MURDERER* It's great you just "roll your eyes because duh, clump of cells" but not everybody came from your damn circumstances, lady. Take your breezy and GTFO. Also, there are many women who find this choice to be emotionally amd mentally difficult, and many who abort for medical reasons. The hell is wrong with you.
I should have been more explicit - what Pamela said isn't ok. It's hurtful to many and I completely disagree with her. I just don't think stooping to her level makes it right. What frustrates me about the whole abortion debate (and many other politically charged debates) is that people don't empathize with or respect the other side. ETA: Or I should say, rather, instead of the "other side", just showing empathy for people surrounding reproductive issues, period. I don't believe it is necessary to show me empathy for me to be empathetic with them. I'd prefer it, obviously If you disagree, that's fine.
And I could be way off base, but I'd imagine nearly everyone who has an abortion doesn't believe it is "murder". Barring medical reasons (which I mentioned I feel is a more similar emotional experience to a miscarriage, not that I would know from personal experience so truly apologize if I'm wrong), I think women who choose to have an abortion believe they are ending a pregnancy, not a life. I don't mean to imply it was an easy decision for most people (I was lucky that it was an easy one for me, yes) but once someone comes to that decision, I highly doubt they categorize it as murder.
I should have been more explicit - what Pamela said isn't ok. It's hurtful to many and I completely disagree with her. I just don't think stooping to her level makes it right. What frustrates me about the whole abortion debate (and many other politically charged debates) is that people don't empathize with or respect the other side. ETA: Or I should say, rather, instead of the "other side", just showing empathy for people surrounding reproductive issues, period. I don't believe it is necessary to show me empathy for me to be empathetic with them. I'd prefer it, obviously If you disagree, that's fine.
And I could be way off base, but I'd imagine nearly everyone who has an abortion doesn't believe it is "murder". Barring medical reasons (which I mentioned I feel is a more similar emotional experience to a miscarriage, not that I would know from personal experience so truly apologize if I'm wrong), I think women who choose to have an abortion believe they are ending a pregnancy, not a life. I don't mean to imply it was an easy decision for most people (I was lucky that it was an easy one for me, yes) but once someone comes to that decision, I highly doubt they categorize it as murder.
Yeah, so.....sometimes I don't feel the need to respect the other side, or empathize with them. For example, I feel ZERO need to try and "respect" somebody who thinks gay marriage is immoral, disgusting, and/or will lead to people marrying their sisters, their children, their dogs and their toasters so it's totally okay with denying Americans their civil liberties and right to enter into a legally recognized union just like everybody else with opposite parts.
I can't respect that opinion, either. But if someone who felt that way was a victim of domestic abuse, or their spouse died, or something equally horrible related to their own marriage happened to them - would you use that to hurt them? Or would you just disagree with them on the issue and maybe even dislike them as a person, but keep that painful personal thing out of the discussion?
That's maybe a bad comparison, but that's all I am getting at. And maybe your answer to my first question above is "yes", and that's your choice. I just personally feel icky about it. I realize my feelings are not everyone's feelings
Yeah, so.....sometimes I don't feel the need to respect the other side, or empathize with them. For example, I feel ZERO need to try and "respect" somebody who thinks gay marriage is immoral, disgusting, and/or will lead to people marrying their sisters, their children, their dogs and their toasters so it's totally okay with denying Americans their civil liberties and right to enter into a legally recognized union just like everybody else with opposite parts.
I can't respect that opinion, either. But if someone who felt that way was a victim of domestic abuse, or their spouse died, or something equally horrible related to their own marriage happened to them - would you use that to hurt them? Or would you just disagree with them on the issue and maybe even dislike them as a person, but keep that painful personal thing out of the discussion?
That's maybe a bad comparison, but that's all I am getting at. And maybe your answer to my first question above is "yes", and that's your choice. I just personally feel icky about it. I realize my feelings are not everyone's feelings
But this is exactly my point. No one was being personal and bringing potentially painful personal issues into this, and then Pamela opened the door to that with her comments. I would never raise an issue like that on my own, but when she is one who introduced the inflammatory remarks deliberately, I can't really feel bad that someone took it back at her. It's not as though it was out of the blue.
Yeah, so.....sometimes I don't feel the need to respect the other side, or empathize with them. For example, I feel ZERO need to try and "respect" somebody who thinks gay marriage is immoral, disgusting, and/or will lead to people marrying their sisters, their children, their dogs and their toasters so it's totally okay with denying Americans their civil liberties and right to enter into a legally recognized union just like everybody else with opposite parts.
I can't respect that opinion, either. But if someone who felt that way was a victim of domestic abuse, or their spouse died, or something equally horrible related to their own marriage happened to them - would you use that to hurt them? Or would you just disagree with them on the issue and maybe even dislike them as a person, but keep that painful personal thing out of the discussion?
That's maybe a bad comparison, but that's all I am getting at. And maybe your answer to my first question above is "yes", and that's your choice. I just personally feel icky about it. I realize my feelings are not everyone's feelings
The first time they choose to hurt others on purpose with their bullshit? No. The second or third time? No. After years of the same shit, no actual consequences for continuing to be a fucker on purpose to others, sorry, I get tired of their shit and will point out their assphatery. Maybe that makes me childish. Maybe it just makes me too damn old to put up with fucking assholes that get their kicks out of hurting people. I honestly don't give a fuck what you think about me. She is being a fucking heartless bitch, has been on this topic for years. Many people have tried many different approaches to get her to stop hurting and insulting people on purpose. She doesn't want to consider other people, their feelings, or history--she knows, doesn't give a shit because she wants to hurt you and shame you. I want people to have that memory in their head the next time she pretends she gives a shit about them or wants to have a civil conversation on a different topic. She enjoys being a fucking heartless bitch to you. Yes, buckybells, she was directly calling you a murderer. You may not give a fuck that she is, but others are hurt by her fuckery and that is not fucking okay.
Ditto. I am so sorry but thank you for sharing. I do think it is important for these crazy-ass pro-lifers to see that the real life alternatives are not fucking puppies and rainbows and that 'saving' a baby's life is not always the best situation; it is far more complicated. I want to hug you too xoxoxxoxo.
I apparently can't quote on my kindle, but what you said in your last post makes sense. I was not aware of that long history of behavior on this topic. I can see how one would reach a breaking point after trying and not being met halfway again and again.
I hope being called a murderer makes most people think "she is an idiot" and "go fuck yourself". Those were basically my thoughts lol. But I concede others may not be able to dismiss it so easily.
I can't respect that opinion, either. But if someone who felt that way was a victim of domestic abuse, or their spouse died, or something equally horrible related to their own marriage happened to them - would you use that to hurt them? Or would you just disagree with them on the issue and maybe even dislike them as a person, but keep that painful personal thing out of the discussion?
That's maybe a bad comparison, but that's all I am getting at. And maybe your answer to my first question above is "yes", and that's your choice. I just personally feel icky about it. I realize my feelings are not everyone's feelings
I must be blind because I still can't see where ANYONE brought up Pamela's miscarriage to throw in her face or use against her?
I alluded to it around page seven in a comment about how convenient the lines she draws are for her. Although she knows I don't agree with her at all and don't believe she is guilty of anything other than valuing a clump of cells more the living humans and being a hurtful ass about it on here.
I cannot believe people are in here defending Pamela because of a "hurtful" ultrasound comment after she called abortions murder. Are you fucking kidding me? GTFO.
I cannot believe people are in here defending Pamela because of a "hurtful" ultrasound comment after she called abortions murder. Are you fucking kidding me? GTFO.