I don't understand why everyone would assume a MSF doctor would be so colossally idiotic as to have a fever and just go about his merry way. This guy knows Ebola more intimately than the CDC does. If he has any instinct for self preservation he wouldn't be like "oh I have a fever but I'll go bowling." I mean, seriously. The man spent weeks treating Ebola patients--he knows the progression of the disease and he importance of early detection for survival and he knows the significance of his own risk factors.
Not to mention that MSF has basically set the standard for post deployment monitoring of staff. Why is it so hard to accept that onset of clinical symptoms can be sudden?
I hope you don't think that was what I was implying with my "wait and see" comment. The article I read said he quarrantined himself in his apartment Wednesday when he began to feel ill and called the CDC Thursday when things got worse and his fever continued to get higher. I don't believe he would be out bowling while knowingly having a fever. If what I read is true I think he handled it exactly as he should have.
My local nj board is freaking the fuck out. Stop the flights! Quarantine people on Ellis island! Duncan's family really does have ebola but the liberal Media and CDC don't want it reported!
It kind of makes me really dislike a whole bunch of them
I don't understand why everyone would assume a MSF doctor would be so colossally idiotic as to have a fever and just go about his merry way. This guy knows Ebola more intimately than the CDC does. If he has any instinct for self preservation he wouldn't be like "oh I have a fever but I'll go bowling." I mean, seriously. The man spent weeks treating Ebola patients--he knows the progression of the disease and he importance of early detection for survival and he knows the significance of his own risk factors.
Not to mention that MSF has basically set the standard for post deployment monitoring of staff. Why is it so hard to accept that onset of clinical symptoms can be sudden?
I agree.
This isn't your jackass coworker hacking up phlegm all over the conference room insisting that its allergies and not the flu. A guy like this would not be brushing off ebola symptoms as no biggie, as he has absolutely NOTHING to gain from ignoring the symptoms. Greater than 50 percent chance of death, people. This guy was not just going to brush off potential symptoms as no big deal. Come on.
Post by vanillacourage on Oct 23, 2014 21:15:48 GMT -5
The article linked said he started to feel sluggish on Tuesday, but still went out bowling and whatever else. If you had literally been treating Ebola patients within the time frame of an incubation period, wouldn't you be on guard for the slightest sniffle?
Can we discuss this? If there is any credibility to this little gem, it might explain why all these Ebola-carrying folks suddently decide to get on a plane, or go bowling, etc. Crazy talk?
The difference in the subjects’ behavior before and after vaccination was pronounced: the flu shot had the effect of nearly doubling the number of people with whom the participants came in close contact during the brief window when the live virus was maximally contagious. “People who had very limited or simple social lives were suddenly deciding that they needed to go out to bars or parties, or invite a bunch of people over,” says Reiber. “This happened with lots of our subjects. It wasn’t just one or two outliers.”
Reiber has her eye trained on other human pathogens that she thinks may well be playing similar games, if only science could prove it. For example, she says, many people at the end stages of AIDS and syphilis express an intense craving for sex. So, too, do individuals at the beginning of a herpes outbreak. These may just be anecdotal accounts, she concedes, but based on her own findings, she wouldn’t be surprised if these urges come from the pathogen making known its will to survive.
“We’ve found all kinds of excuses for why we do the things we do,” observes Moore. “‘My genes made me do it.’ ‘My parents are to blame.’ I’m afraid we may have reached the point where parasites may have to be added to the laundry list of excuses.”
Can we discuss this? If there is any credibility to this little gem, it might explain why all these Ebola-carrying folks suddently decide to get on a plane, or go bowling, etc. Crazy talk?
The difference in the subjects’ behavior before and after vaccination was pronounced: the flu shot had the effect of nearly doubling the number of people with whom the participants came in close contact during the brief window when the live virus was maximally contagious. “People who had very limited or simple social lives were suddenly deciding that they needed to go out to bars or parties, or invite a bunch of people over,” says Reiber. “This happened with lots of our subjects. It wasn’t just one or two outliers.”
Reiber has her eye trained on other human pathogens that she thinks may well be playing similar games, if only science could prove it. For example, she says, many people at the end stages of AIDS and syphilis express an intense craving for sex. So, too, do individuals at the beginning of a herpes outbreak. These may just be anecdotal accounts, she concedes, but based on her own findings, she wouldn’t be surprised if these urges come from the pathogen making known its will to survive.
“We’ve found all kinds of excuses for why we do the things we do,” observes Moore. “‘My genes made me do it.’ ‘My parents are to blame.’ I’m afraid we may have reached the point where parasites may have to be added to the laundry list of excuses.”
And omg, like always fuck CNN. Of course the headline says "doctor was recently back from Africa." WHY CAN'T THEY LIST THE DAMN COUNTRY HE WAS IN INSTEAD OF THE WHOLE DAMN CONTINENT??
This BS adds to the ridiculous amount of hysteria.
The article linked said he started to feel sluggish on Tuesday, but still went out bowling and whatever else. If you had literally been treating Ebola patients within the time frame of an incubation period, wouldn't you be on guard for the slightest sniffle?
Well, the guy had been in Guinea treating Ebola patients for who knows how long in God knows what kind of conditions, and had been on a long flight, crossing multiple time zones the week before. I imagine he would be pretty exhausted regardless, and just feeling sluggish probably wouldn't have been enough to set off alarm bells, especially if he wasn't running a fever at that time.
ETA: he had apparently been in West Africa since mid-September. I would think a month abroad, working long hours in those kinds of circumstances would be really, really exhausting. And he apparently was checking his temperature twice a day and didn't get a fever until today, at which point he immediately reported it and quarantined himself.
I just don't think we can fault this man at all for his actions.
Well I don't think anyone should be freaking out. But since this happened in NYC and anytime NYC gets so much as a cold, the media freaks the fuck out, I'm sure everyone will start freaking out too.
I'm sure as a physician who has been treating ebola patients, he knew exactly what to look for and reacted appropriately. I do not think he would knowingly out anyone at risk for contracting the disease.
My local nj board is freaking the fuck out. Stop the flights! Quarantine people on Ellis island! Duncan's family really does have ebola but the liberal Media and CDC don't want it reported!
It kind of makes me really dislike a whole bunch of them
Oh come on. Mandatory quarantine for 21 days at Ellis Island is totally sensical.
I love the OP but holy shit, that is a lot of hysteria in that thread.
My local nj board is freaking the fuck out. Stop the flights! Quarantine people on Ellis island! Duncan's family really does have ebola but the liberal Media and CDC don't want it reported!
It kind of makes me really dislike a whole bunch of them
Oh come on. Mandatory quarantine for 21 days at Ellis Island is totally sensical.
I love the OP but holy shit, that is a lot of hysteria in that thread.
Also being scared of public bathrooms... but I am condescending when trying to explain why that is not something to worry about.
The article linked said he started to feel sluggish on Tuesday, but still went out bowling and whatever else. If you had literally been treating Ebola patients within the time frame of an incubation period, wouldn't you be on guard for the slightest sniffle?
That's the part that made me raise an eyebrow. Now, "sluggish" could mean anything. And of course he could have been sluggish from his trip, but I'd expect trip fatigue to not suddenly hit him a week later. And the sudden fever still won't sit well with me until there are more details, TBH. And there probably have been more details released since I just woke up.
Having said that, I'm still going to work today and will still breathe NYC air today. It's not like body fluids are always unseen on the subway so I get why some people might be skittish, but as always in this city, watch where you sit!
My local nj board is freaking the fuck out. Stop the flights! Quarantine people on Ellis island! Duncan's family really does have ebola but the liberal Media and CDC don't want it reported!
It kind of makes me really dislike a whole bunch of them
I do anticipate having a lot of fun in the coming week playing the game of "Is this person in a hazmat suit a lunatic, or just dressed up for Halloween?"