I'm glad he caught the symptoms early. It seems like that really is the best chance for survival with Ebola. I'm seeing all sorts of "too close to home" stuff on my FB. We're in Ohio. I think we'll all be a-okay unless we plan to go visit him in quarantine.
At least he didn't go to work. I wish he had just hung out at home for a couple of weeks.
Why? Are you scared of catching it from him?
Maybe I'm naive, but I trust the judgment of an asymptomatic MD with a master's of public health who has spent a lot of time actually treating ebola patients. I'd imagine that he knows a lot more about whether it was risky for him to go out in public than we do.
At least he didn't go to work. I wish he had just hung out at home for a couple of weeks.
Why? Are you scared of catching it from him?
Maybe I'm naive, but I trust the judgment of an asymptomatic MD with a master's of public health who has spent a lot of time actually treating ebola patients. I'd imagine that he knows a lot more about whether it was risky for him to go out in public than we do.
If he was perfectly safe why didn't he go to work? I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that someone working directly with Ebola patients stay at home for a couple of weeks. Clearly we disagree.
Maybe I'm naive, but I trust the judgment of an asymptomatic MD with a master's of public health who has spent a lot of time actually treating ebola patients. I'd imagine that he knows a lot more about whether it was risky for him to go out in public than we do.
If he was perfectly safe why didn't he go to work? I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that someone working directly with Ebola patients stay at home for a couple of weeks. Clearly we disagree.
Perhaps he wanted a bit of a break after his (presumably exhausting, physically and emotionally) work in Africa? I have seen reports that he hasn't been back at work, but nothing that suggests that he should have been at work but called out, or what-have-you.
At least he didn't go to work. I wish he had just hung out at home for a couple of weeks.
Why? Are you scared of catching it from him?
Maybe I'm naive, but I trust the judgment of an asymptomatic MD with a master's of public health who has spent a lot of time actually treating ebola patients. I'd imagine that he knows a lot more about whether it was risky for him to go out in public than we do.
I was just thinking how we're pretty "lucky" NYC's first Ebola patient is an MD who probably knew what to do and what not to do and instead wasn't, well...me.
Look, I'm rolling my eyes at the ridiculous hysteria of some people's reactions, too, but isn't a 21 day quarantine period standard for health workers after treating ebola patients? Maybe not, but I thought it was.
I'm not mad at him for putting the people of NYC at risk, health-wise, I'm just mad at him for giving the media and the public something to freak out about.
Sorry. Not trying to be a hater. NYC is a wonderful city. But the last thing this country needs is to panic about Ebola. Texas screwed the pooch and still there were only two additional cases and those ladies are doing well. It is true that when anything happens in NYC it is totally blown out of proportion (9/11 notwithstanding). Why? Simple. Almost all major media is based out of NYC so the writers, producers, anchors, journalists, etc are experiencing the problem while trying to objectively report on it. The event then begins to take on the otherworldly specter of importance. For example, CA has an earthquake and you know oh hum, another day in Ca. NYC gets a snowstorm 2 years in a row and you know it's "Snowmageddon, the Sequal, Electric Boogaloo."
Look, I'm rolling my eyes at the ridiculous hysteria of some people's reactions, too, but isn't a 21 day quarantine period standard for health workers after treating ebola patients? Maybe not, but I thought it was.
I'm not mad at him for putting the people of NYC at risk, health-wise, I'm just mad at him for giving the media and the public something to freak out about.
It's not. The 21 day quarantine period is for people who are known to have been exposed to someone with Ebola without protective equipment. Here is what MSF says its protocols are:
Upon returning to the United States, each MSF staff member goes through a thorough debriefing process, during which they are informed of our guidelines.
The guidelines include the following instructions:
1. Check temperature two times per day 2. Finish regular course of malaria prophylaxis (malaria symptoms can mimic Ebola symptoms) 3. Be aware of relevant symptoms, such as fever 4. Stay within four hours of a hospital with isolation facilities 5. Immediately contact the MSF-USA office if any relevant symptoms develop
These guidelines are consistent with those provided by the CDC to people returning from one of the Ebola-affected countries in West Africa.
Also, regarding him going back to work:
However, returned staff members are discouraged from returning to work during the 21-day period. Field assignments are extremely challenging and people need to regain energy. In addition, people who return to work too quickly could catch a simple bacterial or viral infection (common cold, bronchitis, flu etc.) that may have symptoms similar to Ebola. This can create needless stress and anxiety for the person involved and his/her colleagues. For this reason, MSF continues to provide salaries to returned staff for the 21-day period.
I'm taking the 1 to Times Square soon! And I'll be hanging out in Rockefeller Center today and tomorrow! Which requires courage even in an ebola-free world.
The article linked said he started to feel sluggish on Tuesday, but still went out bowling and whatever else. If you had literally been treating Ebola patients within the time frame of an incubation period, wouldn't you be on guard for the slightest sniffle?
Feeling slightly "off" without a fever or vomiting or shitting all over yourself 1) might not be ebola and 2) means that you most likely do not have enough of the virus in your system to test positive for ebola yet.
Also, jet lag.
At the time he was out and about, not enough virus would have built up in his saliva or mucous membranes to be contagious. Literally only his blood, feces or vomit would have been transmitting the virus, and it's pretty certain he didn't get any of that on anyone or anything.
Look, I'm rolling my eyes at the ridiculous hysteria of some people's reactions, too, but isn't a 21 day quarantine period standard for health workers after treating ebola patients? Maybe not, but I thought it was.
I'm not mad at him for putting the people of NYC at risk, health-wise, I'm just mad at him for giving the media and the public something to freak out about.
It's not. The 21 day quarantine period is for people who are known to have been exposed to someone with Ebola without protective equipment. Here is what MSF says its protocols are:
All military members are being quarantined too, regardless of their exposure. This has caused a little bit of heartburn in the military community because most deployed units have 0 contact with ebola; they are there in an organizational and supply management capacity. So for them to be ordered into quarantine while doctors who are up to their elbows in bodily fluids can "self monitor" has definitely gotten a side eye from many military members and families.
Here is an article criticizing it. I don't agree with everything she writes (err, I will be honest and say most of her columns annoy the crap out of me), but I do agree with the gist that the military loses civil liberties without anyone noticing and people who probably should have a few liberties taken away temporarily for the greater good get a lot of room to make mistakes. bangordailynews.com/2014/10/19/living/the-military-sacrificing-personal-freedoms-for-you/
However, the CDC gave explicit instructions for those who came into contact with Duncan to avoid public transportation. While I do trust an MD, I also think he used poor judgement.
Not the same. Duncan was symptomatic and out & about in public thanks to Presby's complete ineptitude.
Per my understanding this MD had been closely following his own condition, checking his temp and was still asymptomatic (until he had fever at which point he notified authorities).
Can we discuss this? If there is any credibility to this little gem, it might explain why all these Ebola-carrying folks suddently decide to get on a plane, or go bowling, etc. Crazy talk?
The difference in the subjects’ behavior before and after vaccination was pronounced: the flu shot had the effect of nearly doubling the number of people with whom the participants came in close contact during the brief window when the live virus was maximally contagious. “People who had very limited or simple social lives were suddenly deciding that they needed to go out to bars or parties, or invite a bunch of people over,” says Reiber. “This happened with lots of our subjects. It wasn’t just one or two outliers.”
Reiber has her eye trained on other human pathogens that she thinks may well be playing similar games, if only science could prove it. For example, she says, many people at the end stages of AIDS and syphilis express an intense craving for sex. So, too, do individuals at the beginning of a herpes outbreak. These may just be anecdotal accounts, she concedes, but based on her own findings, she wouldn’t be surprised if these urges come from the pathogen making known its will to survive.
“We’ve found all kinds of excuses for why we do the things we do,” observes Moore. “‘My genes made me do it.’ ‘My parents are to blame.’ I’m afraid we may have reached the point where parasites may have to be added to the laundry list of excuses.”
Not the same. Duncan was symptomatic and out & about in public thanks to Presby's complete ineptitude.
Per my understanding this MD had been closely following his own condition, checking his temp and was still asymptomatic (until he had fever at which point he notified authorities).
My point: YOU'LL BE FINE, NYC.
Signed, Dallasite
It is the same. Those nurses came into contact with Duncan and this doctor came into contact with other Ebola patients. It is exactly the same thing.
Unlike the nurses here, I'm assuming he was adequately covered/outfitted and taking all MSF stipulated precautions when treating Ebola patients.
I saw this on twitter from a cnbc reporter, but no link to an article:
"@johnjharwood: Significant correction to earlier reports: NYC doctor's temperature yesterday was 100.3 - not 103. Helps explain why didn't seek care sooner."
There's a big difference between 100.3 & 103. If this is true, then it seems like he was monitoring himself pretty closely.
I saw this on twitter from a cnbc reporter, but no link to an article:
"@johnjharwood: Significant correction to earlier reports: NYC doctor's temperature yesterday was 100.3 - not 103. Helps explain why didn't seek care sooner."
I saw this on twitter from a cnbc reporter, but no link to an article:
"@johnjharwood: Significant correction to earlier reports: NYC doctor's temperature yesterday was 100.3 - not 103. Helps explain why didn't seek care sooner."
Successfully screened at the airport upon arrival Incubation may be up to 21 days New Ebola Czar declines invitation to attend today's House Questioning on government Ebola responses
Successfully screened at the airport upon arrival Incubation may be up to 21 days New Ebola Czar declines invitation to attend today's House Questioning on government Ebola responses
I'm guessing he has better and more important things to do with his time than sit through some BS posturing by congress
I haven't read the entire thread but I wonder if there some extra concern for the fiancee because she was likely exposed to his semen I'm guessing.
I would guess not. He is a doctor. He knows it can spread by semen. I'm sure they either wrapped it up or didn't have sex. I'm sure she will be monitored closely regardless of whether they had sex or not.