How Police Say 2 Women Almost Got Away With Stealing Houses

[decemberwedding07]

This makes my blood boil just imagining it. OMG>

[orangeblossom]

I just read this on FB. People are crazy.

I would be so mad, if I I had to pay to money to get back into my own house.

[ttt]

Oct 24, 2014 10:57:22 GMT -5 @soudesafinado said:

Lee then used blank deeds, according to Duelley, adding her name as the new owner, a fake notary seal and a bogus lawyer signature. She then simply walked into the county records department to officially enter that counterfeit into the public record.

How about county records departments be required to, say, call the notary and/or lawyer to verify before entering things into public record??? 

[pixy0stix]

Oct 24, 2014 11:36:29 GMT -5 ttt said:

Oct 24, 2014 10:57:22 GMT -5 @soudesafinado said:

Lee then used blank deeds, according to Duelley, adding her name as the new owner, a fake notary seal and a bogus lawyer signature. She then simply walked into the county records department to officially enter that counterfeit into the public record.

How about county records departments be required to, say, call the notary and/or lawyer to verify before entering things into public record??? 

Depending on how many documents they're doing a day, they're not going to call each person.

[ttt]

Oct 24, 2014 11:40:51 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Oct 24, 2014 11:36:29 GMT -5 ttt said:

How about county records departments be required to, say, call the notary and/or lawyer to verify before entering things into public record??? 

Depending on how many documents they're doing a day, they're not going to call each person.

Maybe they need to at least be calling a random sampling, because letting people just show up with documents transferring ownership of a six-figure asset into their names and taking their words for it is unacceptable. 

You could never, ever go into a bank and say "hey, this person's bank account with $300,000 in it is actually mine now, here's the paperwork" and have them be like "okie dokie!" without verifying any of it. 

[iammalcolmx]

No that bitch didn't!!!

[Velar Fricative]

Oct 24, 2014 10:57:22 GMT -5 @soudesafinado said:

The Smalls called police, who evicted Johnson’s family. But Johnson moved back in hours later, and in an outrageous twist, Johnson sued the Smalls for false eviction.




Lee later missed another court hearing, claiming she’d been in the hospital. She gave the judge hospital admissions records to prove it, but even the records were proved to be forged. She was sentenced to six months and may face additional charges as well.

[starlily]

The sovereign citizen movement uses this tactic a lot too.

[Velar Fricative]

Oct 24, 2014 11:50:48 GMT -5 starlily said:

The sovereign citizen movement uses this tactic a lot too.

Go on...

[josieposy]

This woman gave the judge forged hospital records too? She has balls the size of basketballs.

[meshaliuknits]

Oct 24, 2014 11:50:48 GMT -5 starlily said:

The sovereign citizen movement uses this tactic a lot too.

What is  that?

[eponinepontmercy]

Oct 24, 2014 11:50:48 GMT -5 starlily said:

The sovereign citizen movement uses this tactic a lot too.

Those people are crazy.

[orangeblossom]

Oct 24, 2014 11:56:09 GMT -5 meshaliuknits said:

Oct 24, 2014 11:50:48 GMT -5 starlily said:

The sovereign citizen movement uses this tactic a lot too.

What is  that?

They basically say they don't believe in government and don't have to follow rules or some such nonsense.

There was a 20/20 special where they featured one of the houses they occupied and trashed in a gated Miami neighborhod. It was crazy.

[meshaliuknits]

Oct 24, 2014 12:20:13 GMT -5 orangeblossom said:

Oct 24, 2014 11:56:09 GMT -5 meshaliuknits said:

What is  that?

They basically say they don't believe in government and don't have to follow rules or some such nonsense.

There was a 20/20 special where they featured one of the houses they occupied and trashed in a gated Miami neighborhod. It was crazy.

OH! Like that episode of CSI where Justin Bieber got shot. Gotcha.

[starlily]

Oct 24, 2014 12:20:13 GMT -5 orangeblossom said:

Oct 24, 2014 11:56:09 GMT -5 meshaliuknits said:

What is  that?

They basically say they don't believe in government and don't have to follow rules or some such nonsense.

There was a 20/20 special where they featured one of the houses they occupied and trashed in a gated Miami neighborhod. It was crazy.

Yeah, they basically don't recognize state or federal government and therefore any laws, especially regarding taxes. They also have some weird strawman theory that the govt creates a fake person for each real person when born and deposits money into the fake person's "account" with the government. Government documents using capital letters only reflect the fake "strawman", so sovereign citizens use irregular formatting with lowercase letters to denote they are the actual person.

I realize I'm not explaining this well because CRAZY. Like so much crazy I can't even remember all of it.

ETA: The FBI explains it better www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/september-2011/sovereign-citizens#disablemobile

[sjh722]

This is nuts.

So what happens when they show up to evict the supposed tenants or new owners, when the property is ACTUALLY sold at foreclosure auction or goes back to the bank? For the ones that are in foreclosure, the bank is not going to forget about the amount owed just because someone filed a bogus deed at some point and junked up the title.

[elleblue]

Oct 24, 2014 11:50:48 GMT -5 starlily said:

The sovereign citizen movement uses this tactic a lot too.

Ugh. Not that I'm surprised but ugh. 

[andrealynn]

TAL did a story kind of like this a while back: www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/409/transcript.

[my3boyz]

Oct 24, 2014 11:42:21 GMT -5 ttt said:

Oct 24, 2014 11:40:51 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Depending on how many documents they're doing a day, they're not going to call each person.

Maybe they need to at least be calling a random sampling, because letting people just show up with documents transferring ownership of a six-figure asset into their names and taking their words for it is unacceptable. 

You could never, ever go into a bank and say "hey, this person's bank account with $300,000 in it is actually mine now, here's the paperwork" and have them be like "okie dokie!" without verifying any of it. 

Um, yes you can. I was a bank manager and if people brought the correct documents to carry out a transactions and they had the proper seals we did what they required. Be it a Power of Attorney, Executor of an Estate or Trust paperwork. No, you don't call the notary or the courts, no one does. And I was a notary and in 10 years I never had anyone call me to verify any documents I notarized.

[mrspez07]

We had a guy a few years ago pull up to our house asking if it was in fact for sale. Come to find out the listing from 2008 when we bought it resurfaced on random internet sites. I had to google search and track down the site that had re-upped the house. It's amazing how many sites mine other sites for house data, including Redfin (where the guy asking had seen our house posted). I now search our address regularly to check.