S/O passing - Historical black figures

[giggity19]

you didn't know were black

madamenoire.com/481003/historical-figures-you-didnt-know-were-black/

[orangeblossom]

Like Kirkette, some I knew, others I didn't.  It's very interesting.

[Velvetshady]

I guess I'm more a history buff than most, but I thought it was pretty common knowledge about Hamilton--I mean it is the unstated reason the founders put in the "nature-born citizen" requirement for President.

I didn't know a couple of these, but there were ones that I don't know enough about the actual person to have guessed race (mostly the writers).

[elleblue]

Oct 25, 2014 7:48:08 GMT -5 @soudesafinado said:

That said, I knew all but one of these.

Same. Which one was new information for you? 

[sunny]

I had no idea about Beethoven.

[2curlydogs]

Ok so with regard to Queen Charlotte... The ancestor they cite lived in the 13th century. So... I'm not discounting the fact, but it seems like a but of a stretch to say she was passing based on an ancestor who lived 500 years prior.

[Kristinmo]

In the middle of the slide show I got an ad for black Gap denim.

[ttt]

Oct 25, 2014 12:35:10 GMT -5 sunny said:

I had no idea about Beethoven.

I don't think that one is actually true. 

[msmerymac]

Oct 25, 2014 10:29:58 GMT -5 Velvetshady said:

I guess I'm more a history buff than most, but I thought it was pretty common knowledge about Hamilton--I mean it is the unstated reason the founders put in the "nature-born citizen" requirement for President.

I didn't know a couple of these, but there were ones that I don't know enough about the actual person to have guessed race (mostly the writers).

I'm not sure the natural-born citizen requirement is only because Hamilton was black. More that too many people just didn't like him. Lol. He was also an "illegitimate" birth. And pretty partisan.

[smock]

Oct 25, 2014 13:17:04 GMT -5 2curlydogs said:

Ok so with regard to Queen Charlotte... The ancestor they cite lived in the 13th century. So... I'm not discounting the fact, but it seems like a but of a stretch to say she was passing based on an ancestor who lived 500 years prior.

And it's similarly odd to claim a Medici with the nickname Il Moro was trying to pass.

[msmerymac]

Also, Pushkin was passing? I've only known him as a black Russian writer, never that he was passing.

Same with Alexandre Dumas. Was that not well known even during his lifetime? None of the pictures I've seen of him make him look white.

[cville]

Oct 25, 2014 14:35:34 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Oct 25, 2014 10:29:58 GMT -5 Velvetshady said:

I guess I'm more a history buff than most, but I thought it was pretty common knowledge about Hamilton--I mean it is the unstated reason the founders put in the "nature-born citizen" requirement for President.

I didn't know a couple of these, but there were ones that I don't know enough about the actual person to have guessed race (mostly the writers).

I'm not sure the natural-born citizen requirement is only because Hamilton was black. More that too many people just didn't like him. Lol. He was also an "illegitimate" birth. And pretty partisan.

And kinda insane.

Which is why he's my favorite evah.

[FloFTW]

Oct 25, 2014 14:39:49 GMT -5 smock said:

Oct 25, 2014 13:17:04 GMT -5 2curlydogs said:

Ok so with regard to Queen Charlotte... The ancestor they cite lived in the 13th century. So... I'm not discounting the fact, but it seems like a but of a stretch to say she was passing based on an ancestor who lived 500 years prior.

And it's similarly odd to claim a Medici with the nickname Il Moro was trying to pass.

Right? I thought this was common knowledge (in his time, and if you study the Medici at all).

[FloFTW]

I also always assumed that King Tut was NOT A WHITE GUY.

[aurademystere]

Oct 25, 2014 14:48:37 GMT -5 FloFTW said:

I also always assumed that King Tut was NOT A WHITE GUY.

Ditto Hannibal

[irishbride2]

Oct 25, 2014 14:48:37 GMT -5 FloFTW said:

I also always assumed that King Tut was NOT A WHITE GUY.

The people who thought Tut was white are the same who think Jesus was some white Germanic looking guy. 

[ttt]

The black St Nicholas cracked me up, in light of all the black Santa discussions we've had on here.

[Velvetshady]

Oct 25, 2014 14:35:34 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Oct 25, 2014 10:29:58 GMT -5 Velvetshady said:

I guess I'm more a history buff than most, but I thought it was pretty common knowledge about Hamilton--I mean it is the unstated reason the founders put in the "nature-born citizen" requirement for President.

I didn't know a couple of these, but there were ones that I don't know enough about the actual person to have guessed race (mostly the writers).

I'm not sure the natural-born citizen requirement is only because Hamilton was black. More that too many people just didn't like him. Lol. He was also an "illegitimate" birth. And pretty partisan.

That's why I said unstated--I think the whole National Bank vs State Bank debate, the illegitimate thing, and that enough of the Founders didn't like him to pass such a rule where the stated reasons. He managed to have issues with both Jefferson and Adams, that didn't help much.

[2curlydogs]

Oct 25, 2014 15:03:24 GMT -5 ttt said:

The black St Nicholas cracked me up, in light of all the black Santa discussions we've had on here.

Any Catholic with their salt knows St. Nicholas was Bishop of Smyrna.

[Deleted]

Some of these were a stretch. I really couldn't find anything that says Beethoven was more than 1/16th or 1/32nd black. I mean that's a very small ass drop ffs. The same thing seemed to be the case for Jackie O.

And some of these people were not "passing." King Tut doesn't count as passing and neither do Pushkin or Dumas. Now granted, I didn't know Pushkin was black but I don't see anything that indicates he was playing at being white. There was someone else too but it was last night and I can't remember.

[MrsAxilla]

It says Anderson Cooper has the same ancestry as Jacjie O, and he is quite clearly a white dude.

(Right?!?)

[Cicero]

Re: Hamilton--given that they got his paternity wrong (named his mother's long estranged husband as his father when his father was merchant in the islands) I'm not sure I 100% sure I take their word for it.