Does anyone want to talk about Jian Ghomeshi?

[janiejones]

Bumping this in light of the star article alleging 8 victims, one public (Lucy from TPB)

[littlesthobo]

Just read the new Star article.
What a fucking shit pig.

[bananapancakes]

Ugh, I just finished reading that and I feel sick. What an abusive asshole! I'm so disappointed.

[bananapancakes]

Here's the link. Clearly he doesn't give a damn about consent.

t.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/2014/10/29/jian_ghomeshi_8_women_accuse_former_cbc_host_of_violence_sexual_abuse_or_harassment.html

[littlesthobo]

And the fact that he's suing the CBC (and thus, y'know, CANADA) for $55million for his RIGHT to beat the shit out of women is making me want to light shit on fire.

[kaybee85]

Oct 30, 2014 6:04:34 GMT -5 bananapancakes said:

Here's the link. Clearly he doesn't give a damn about consent.

t.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/2014/10/29/jian_ghomeshi_8_women_accuse_former_cbc_host_of_violence_sexual_abuse_or_harassment.html

Okay, the turning the teddy bear around because "he shouldn't see this"? Creepy. I feel so badly for those women.

[justjen]

Oct 30, 2014 6:04:34 GMT -5 bananapancakes said:

Here's the link. Clearly he doesn't give a damn about consent.

t.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/2014/10/29/jian_ghomeshi_8_women_accuse_former_cbc_host_of_violence_sexual_abuse_or_harassment.html

Holy shit. I really would love for someone to press charges. This many incidents that are all so similar? No way this is all made up.

[iamgrace]

Oct 29, 2014 22:16:27 GMT -5 janiejones said:

Bumping this in light of the star article alleging 8 victims, one public (Lucy from TPB)

I heard her interview with her this morning on cbc (!). I believe it's over for him. Lol.  

[iamgrace]

www.cbc.ca/news/arts/jian-ghomeshi-allegedly-attacked-actress-lucy-decoutere-on-2003-date-1.2817806

[papie]

Omg what a shit pig. The stories are so disgusting.

[missmaddie]

Oct 30, 2014 11:58:01 GMT -5 Que? said:

Oct 30, 2014 6:42:48 GMT -5 littlesthobo said:

And the fact that he's suing the CBC (and thus, y'know, CANADA) for $55million for his RIGHT to beat the shit out of women is making me want to light shit on fire.

I feel like this was his attempt to scare them into not pursuing this, or that his advisors told him this would be a good counter move to the allegations. This kind of lawsuit would cripple the CBC and it's only going to piss people off that might have initially supported him. This aspect angers me greatly; I love the CBC and I admire them for taking this stance considering he didn't exactly keep them out of it and used his position to leverage abuse.

This article was interesting re: motivation to sue.

business.financialpost.com/2014/10/28/jian-ghomseshi-lawsuit-cbc/#__federated=1


"But if Ghomeshi knows, as he must, that his civil case will be quickly dismissed, there appear to be two good reasons to file the suit anyway: One, it gets his story onto the public record, without any possible recourse. Statements of claim are privileged; through this claim, Ghomeshi, like any litigant, can get anything he wishes onto the public record with absolute legal impunity. The arbitration process where his case must ultimately end up due to his unionized status, is entirely private.

Unlike with his more moderate Facebook posting, Ghomeshi cannot be sued for whatever he decides to state in his claim, however libellous it is. Issuing a statement of claim — however frivolous — is therefore often a PR masterstroke. It gets his message onto the public record, and reported, without any fear of legal repercussion. Indeed, the claim (which is currently getting thousands of readers online) pretty viciously disparages the CBC’s management."

[missmaddie]

Oct 30, 2014 18:21:47 GMT -5 @booby said:

Oct 30, 2014 14:17:55 GMT -5 missmaddie said:

This article was interesting re: motivation to sue.

business.financialpost.com/2014/10/28/jian-ghomseshi-lawsuit-cbc/#__federated=1


"But if Ghomeshi knows, as he must, that his civil case will be quickly dismissed, there appear to be two good reasons to file the suit anyway: One, it gets his story onto the public record, without any possible recourse. Statements of claim are privileged; through this claim, Ghomeshi, like any litigant, can get anything he wishes onto the public record with absolute legal impunity. The arbitration process where his case must ultimately end up due to his unionized status, is entirely private.

Unlike with his more moderate Facebook posting, Ghomeshi cannot be sued for whatever he decides to state in his claim, however libellous it is. Issuing a statement of claim — however frivolous — is therefore often a PR masterstroke. It gets his message onto the public record, and reported, without any fear of legal repercussion. Indeed, the claim (which is currently getting thousands of readers online) pretty viciously disparages the CBC’s management."

i…….need a translator.  lol.  and i consider myself relatively intelligent (maybe i shouldn't?)

It's the financial post. It's not just you.

Basically, my understanding of the article is legally he can claim what we he wants as part of his lawsuit, and apparently when you do that there no reprocussions such as facing a libel suit like if he made claims in the media or elsewhere. So they're saying that he will sue just to have a medium to spew his shit without consequences just to get what he wants to say our there.

There was also a big article I saw yesterday about how he has no claim to a wrongful dismissal suit as a member of a union? That may be why they're so confident it will be dismissed and why the only thing he will get out of the suit is his "side" of the story on record. I only copied two paragraphs from the article. I may have missed pasting enough of the context of those paragraphs here.

Eta-this may be a clearer paragraph.

"It looks bizarre until you realize that what the lawsuit is really about isn’t winning in court: It’s about Ghomeshi being able to say whatever he wants in legal documents with total protection from being sued for libel himself, while intimidating women from going public with allegations of assault at Ghomeshi’s hands."

[missmaddie]

Oct 30, 2014 18:56:59 GMT -5 Que? said:

Oct 30, 2014 18:22:47 GMT -5 @booby said:

ALSO BWOOP BWOOP

jian's PR people dumped him a few hours ago. he is now unrepresented. i suspect they could no longer manage this crisis without compromising their integrity and/or losing other clients.

Uh oh. That's saying a lot, considering who some of their clients are/were.

*dont ask me where I read that. Something to do with politicians in Quebec (Lolz) and high profile harassment cases.

And that politician, Michael something, that killed the bike courier with his car.

[bananapancakes]

Yep, he's done. After reading the Star article from today and rereading his FB post from Sunday, I would say he is most certainly a narcissist and quite possibly a sociopath. I wonder how many more women are out there. I bet there are many, many more.

[bananapancakes]

I was listening to Q today with Piya Chatapati hosting and at the end she got emotional and all choked up while thanking the Q crew for getting through a very tough week. I can't imagine what it must be like to work there right now.

[rugbywife]

Every time I read the title of this thread I am like, NO, I don't want to talk about him anymore, lol.

I am not reading anymore articles. None of this surprises me. I WAS surprised that the CBC fired him before charges were laid, let alone him being convicted. However, given everything that has now come out, it doesn't surprise me.

He's a d-bag. I feel like he will never be charged.

I am happy Stuart McLean is taking over Q. I love him.

[missmaddie]

Oct 30, 2014 19:07:46 GMT -5 rugbywife said:

Every time I read the title of this thread I am like, NO, I don't want to talk about him anymore, lol.

I am not reading anymore articles. None of this surprises me. I WAS surprised that the CBC fired him before charges were laid, let alone him being convicted. However, given everything that has now come out, it doesn't surprise me.

He's a d-bag. I feel like he will never be charged.

I am happy Stuart McLean is taking over Q. I love him.

I agree he will walk away with only his reputation lost.

I am happy to see the tides changing from everyone's shocked and pity on the weekend though.

[rugbywife]

Oct 30, 2014 19:09:30 GMT -5 Que? said:

Oct 30, 2014 19:07:46 GMT -5 rugbywife said:

Every time I read the title of this thread I am like, NO, I don't want to talk about him anymore, lol.

I am not reading anymore articles. None of this surprises me. I WAS surprised that the CBC fired him before charges were laid, let alone him being convicted. However, given everything that has now come out, it doesn't surprise me.

He's a d-bag. I feel like he will never be charged.

I am happy Stuart McLean is taking over Q. I love him.

Like, permanently?
I like Stuart McLean, but it's like they just picked his polar opposite, lol.

Oh! I don't know - I just read an article title and presumed it was permanently.

But I agree polar opposites. I love Stuart but he isn't a pop/current/indie culture guy.  He's more folksy. Mostly I just love the Vinyl Cafe. I wonder if I can get DH and I tickets for Christmas, he would love it. 

[bananapancakes]

I will admit that I was totally shocked and gave him the benefit of the doubt on Sunday but not anymore!

Stuart McLean is an interesting choice. I like him but I'm not sure about how I feel about him taking over Q.

[rugbywife]

I am a lying liar, I did read this…#9 and a second named woman.

www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/10/30/author_reva_seth_accuses_jian_ghomeshi_of_assault.html

[janiejones]

Stuart McLean? Really?

[rugbywife]

It isn't so much that I gave him the benefit of the doubt - and as any of you who are FB friends with me saw, there was a lengthy thread about him on my FB wall when it first came out.

A very close friend was once accused of something and the repercussions of the accusations, and the public nature of it all, it was life changing. As such, it isn't that I don't believe accusers, it is that I withhold judgement until there is more evidence than just accusations. I also have a problem with employers flat out firing employees when there are just accusations.

That being said, at this point, with this number of reported cases, bearing a lot of similarities, all of which speak to a certain mind-set on the part of the accused…I am more willing to believe it is true (especially given what I had already heard/known of him).

[bananapancakes]

So it's at 9 right now, what do you think the total number will be?

[rugbywife]

Oct 30, 2014 19:14:01 GMT -5 Que? said:

Oct 30, 2014 19:11:25 GMT -5 rugbywife said:

Oh! I don't know - I just read an article title and presumed it was permanently.

But I agree polar opposites. I love Stuart but he isn't a pop/current/indie culture guy.  He's more folksy. Mostly I just love the Vinyl Cafe. I wonder if I can get DH and I tickets for Christmas, he would love it. 

I've seen him. We felt like giant nerds. Old ones, lol. It was awesome though, I laughed so hard.

I have seen him once too…DH hasn't thought. I love him.  Christmas at the Turlington's and Dave Cooks a Turkey are two of my favourite Christmas stories. 

[missmaddie]

Oct 30, 2014 19:13:39 GMT -5 @booby said:

Oct 30, 2014 18:53:42 GMT -5 missmaddie said:

It's the financial post. It's not just you.

Basically, my understanding of the article is legally he can claim what we he wants as part of his lawsuit, and apparently when you do that there no reprocussions such as facing a libel suit like if he made claims in the media or elsewhere. So they're saying that he will sue just to have a medium to spew his shit without consequences just to get what he wants to say our there.

There was also a big article I saw yesterday about how he has no claim to a wrongful dismissal suit as a member of a union? That may be why they're so confident it will be dismissed and why the only thing he will get out of the suit is his "side" of the story on record. I only copied two paragraphs from the article. I may have missed pasting enough of the context of those paragraphs here.

Eta-this may be a clearer paragraph.

"It looks bizarre until you realize that what the lawsuit is really about isn’t winning in court: It’s about Ghomeshi being able to say whatever he wants in legal documents with total protection from being sued for libel himself, while intimidating women from going public with allegations of assault at Ghomeshi’s hands."

Thank you! I appreciate you breaking that down for me.

Any time. I read it first thing this morning when my brain was still fresh and clear. No promises I would have followed or now for the first time.

[rugbywife]

Oct 30, 2014 19:20:17 GMT -5 Que? said:

Oct 30, 2014 19:17:42 GMT -5 rugbywife said:

I have seen him once too…DH hasn't thought. I love him.  Christmas at the Turlington's and Dave Cooks a Turkey are two of my favourite Christmas stories. 

So good. My all time favorite is week Dave's wife (Mauralee, Morley?) has her roommate from university and her kids over for the weekend. So hilarious.

Ohhh! I don't know that one.  My two favourite non-christmas ones is The Jock Strap (Morley buying a cup for Sam for hockey) and the one where Dave tries to teach the cat to flush the toilet. 

I actually have a book of classroom activities to use with his stories. I used one when I taught grade 8 that involved the building of the CPR (Dave's friend Kenny Wong's family is involved - hence the link to the Chinese migrant workers).  

[rugbywife]

@que and others.

Laugh at me. Laugh hard.

The Stuart McLean thing was a joke. A piece of satire.

My shame for believing it is punishment for reading article titles and not clicking on links.

[nursewife]

I was reading that the police are now investigating as 2 of the women have come forward to the police. I hope he gets nailed for this shit.

[aprilsails]

Yeah- I figured more stories would come out of the woodwork.

The Star article is pretty damning and horrifying. I can't imagine that all of these women would really have it out for him in this way. It's upsetting that he might have used his position of influence in this way.

[rugbywife]

Oct 31, 2014 21:06:58 GMT -5 Que? said:

Oct 31, 2014 18:38:28 GMT -5 rugbywife said:

@que and others.

Laugh at me. Laugh hard.

The Stuart McLean thing was a joke. A piece of satire.

My shame for believing it is punishment for reading article titles and not clicking on links.

I know, hahahaha. I texted some people and looked like an ass. I did a quick google, saw hits for Stuart McLean-the Q and was like 'yep it's legit'. Lol.

Well now I feel even worse...I only looked like an ass in front of one of my closest friends who already knew I was an ass (or at the very least naive!).