I was an accountant and always took work home. DH is in IT and works at home after being in the office all day pretty often. Many many professional jobs involve working at home. I agree that teacher doesn't sound very organized if she had to lose a week of curriculum.
Mine-I had my boob surgery today and I wasn't nervous or anything. I am thoroughly enjoying laying in bed and having things brought to me. It's also a nice break from the constant barrage of "mommy!, why?, can I have...?) maybe this is really just AW?
Ok, fine, she fucked up, but like I said, a lot of other teachers found themselves in the same boat. You could go so far as to call it a school full of shitty teachers but the student body as a whole is doing better than almost every state average you can find, so our kids were not scarred for life. A lot of people got screwed over and I just remembered it was a 3 day week between a holiday and conferences. The timing of the whole thing was just horrible.
Are you sure they were watching movies all day? I just can't see a teacher showing movies all day for a week. Is it possible they were just watching them the last hour of the day and so it took three days to finish the movie? This could just be a miscommunication.
Ok, fine, she fucked up, but like I said, a lot of other teachers found themselves in the same boat. You could go so far as to call it a school full of shitty teachers but the student body as a whole is doing better than almost every state average you can find, so our kids were not scarred for life. A lot of people got screwed over and I just remembered it was a 3 day week between a holiday and conferences. The timing of the whole thing was just horrible.
Are you sure they were watching movies all day? I just can't see a teacher showing movies all day for a week. Is it possible they were just watching them the last hour of the day and so it took three days to finish the movie? This could just be a miscommunication.
It is and that is a good point. She is normally a good teacher and I could tell she was really frustrated with the whole thing.
Post by notreallyirish on Nov 18, 2014 19:55:28 GMT -5
I was about to just tell you that DH brings work home, but since he's an ob/gyn that sounded a little kinky. More specifically he does charting, reads literature relating to cases, and does phone consults. He doesn't bring rando pregnant ladies home or give me Pap smears in the kitchen.
I was about to just tell you that DH brings work home, but since he's an ob/gyn that sounded a little kinky. More specifically he does charting, reads literature relating to cases, and does phone consults. He doesn't bring rando pregnant ladies home or give me Pap smears in the kitchen.
LOL. The kitchen pap would save you from making an appointment.
I think it's wonderful that I have always be nice to pretty well everyone on this board and this is how I get treated.
I never meant this as a personal attack. Statistically people working in mines don't have anything higher than a high school education if that. It is a job that pays very good money for someone with little education. It is simply a fact. I never meant it mean toward you. Look we have all said silly things, been corrected, and been flamed to hell and back. Think of it as an initiation and hang around.
I am pretty sure I need to seriously consider a new profession. I love teaching. I hate the beauracracy (sp??) that is increasingly coming with it.
For the first time in my career, I feel like my principal really respects me as a professional and is here for me as a teacher. You know how much I love your school? I love my new one 8000030303849 times more. Move north.
Um I agree with you calling bullshit on CNA teacher, but I call total bullshit that teachers don't take shit home. Teachers I know take more home than any other profession. This makes you seem very out of touch about the teaching profession. I honestly don't know one teacher that doesn't consistently take work home. Of course I don't know any other profession that required you to take your job home to actually expect you to get it done and not pay you for your time like ever.
Listen, I'll own that I seem to have a Facebook feed populated with less than great teachers.
But my mom taught her entire career. Her taking work home, parents calling our house and hell knocking on our door was the norm. Nobody got paid for moderating yearbook or student council. And I can see that while there are lots of good teachers out there, a bunch just suck. Our daily posts are proof of that. There are just less teachers nowadays doing the extra. We can argue from here until Tuesday if they should have to or not, but to me the good teachers, the ones I want in my kids lives, do the extras in this current climate even when it's a sacrifice. They do what they know is right and what works, not what is minimally contractually obligated.
If you are doing paperwork all day every day for a week -- you are a bad teacher. You just are. Take some of that shit home, take it up with your administration or your union. There is no way in hell that teacher is doing her job.
Anecdotal evidence FTW: Dizzy and I rarely post on here during the day. Or on FB or IG.
I was a hr director in my old life and I never brought home work. Dh is an accountant and never brings home work. My BFF is an engineer--no work at home. I disagree that professional careers often bring work home. I don't think there's a profession quite like teaching where much work needs to be done after hours.
I agree. While DH will often field calls from home he has NEVER actually brought stuff home. In fact no professional I know others than teachers and therapist do.
H is a public attorney (criminal prosecutor) he brings work home all the time. WE have post-bedtime work parties.
Nope. Not homecoming King. I never thought i would be asked because it doesn't matter. He's well known. Is that a better way to say it? I never originally said he's so popular, he's so famous. Someone originally asked if he was important so I said yes.
Well either you're famous or infamous. Which is it with your husband?
I think it's wonderful that I have always be nice to pretty well everyone on this board and this is how I get treated.
I never meant this as a personal attack. Statistically people working in mines don't have anything higher than a high school education if that. It is a job that pays very good money for someone with little education. It is simply a fact. I never meant it mean toward you. Look we have all said silly things, been corrected, and been flamed to hell and back. Think of it as an initiation and hang around.
I was a hr director in my old life and I never brought home work. Dh is an accountant and never brings home work. My BFF is an engineer--no work at home. I disagree that professional careers often bring work home. I don't think there's a profession quite like teaching where much work needs to be done after hours.
I just shared an article on FB about the school district back in CA. And how the District attempted/attempting to mandate that all teachers must stay on campus until dismissed by the principle, making sure there is no work to take home.
I agree. While DH will often field calls from home he has NEVER actually brought stuff home. In fact no professional I know others than teachers and therapist do.
H is a public attorney (criminal prosecutor) he brings work home all the time. WE have post-bedtime work parties.
Listen, I'll own that I seem to have a Facebook feed populated with less than great teachers.
But my mom taught her entire career. Her taking work home, parents calling our house and hell knocking on our door was the norm. Nobody got paid for moderating yearbook or student council. And I can see that while there are lots of good teachers out there, a bunch just suck. Our daily posts are proof of that. There are just less teachers nowadays doing the extra. We can argue from here until Tuesday if they should have to or not, but to me the good teachers, the ones I want in my kids lives, do the extras in this current climate even when it's a sacrifice. They do what they know is right and what works, not what is minimally contractually obligated.
If you are doing paperwork all day every day for a week -- you are a bad teacher. You just are. Take some of that shit home, take it up with your administration or your union. There is no way in hell that teacher is doing her job.
Anecdotal evidence FTW: Dizzy and I rarely post on here during the day. Or on FB or IG.
And here's where I own that Ian on here all too much during the day, but it's mostly while I pump which I hear I should relax for
Listen, I'll own that I seem to have a Facebook feed populated with less than great teachers.
But my mom taught her entire career. Her taking work home, parents calling our house and hell knocking on our door was the norm. Nobody got paid for moderating yearbook or student council. And I can see that while there are lots of good teachers out there, a bunch just suck. Our daily posts are proof of that. There are just less teachers nowadays doing the extra. We can argue from here until Tuesday if they should have to or not, but to me the good teachers, the ones I want in my kids lives, do the extras in this current climate even when it's a sacrifice. They do what they know is right and what works, not what is minimally contractually obligated.
If you are doing paperwork all day every day for a week -- you are a bad teacher. You just are. Take some of that shit home, take it up with your administration or your union. There is no way in hell that teacher is doing her job.
Anecdotal evidence FTW: Dizzy and I rarely post on here during the day. Or on FB or IG.
also, if you were my FB friend, you'd have a good teacher on your feed!
Post by amynumbers on Nov 18, 2014 20:46:04 GMT -5
I think teaching is this rare breed (I guess special snowflake after all) where there is the need or desire to have the respect and pay of a salaried professional occupation but also the union protection of a service or labor industry professional. The concepts fight each other constantly.
There aren't many salaried professional careers where you can say work is only to be done between X hours. And most of these careers are subject to the dreaded "other duties as assigned" which doesn't mean additional compensation.
I'm not saying it's good or bad necessarily. I'm just spitballing here.
I think teaching is this rare breed (I guess special snowflake after all) where there is the need or desire to have the respect and pay of a salaried professional occupation but also the union protection of a service or labor industry professional. The concepts fight each other constantly.
There aren't many salaried professional careers where you can say work is only to be done between X hours. And most of these careers are subject to the dreaded "other duties as assigned" which doesn't mean additional compensation.
I'm not saying it's good or bad necessarily. I'm just spitballing here.
I see what you're saying, but here's my (admittedly biased) take on it.
There are professional occupations that are unionized. Would you deny that lawyers are a professional occupation? Publicly employed attorneys are often unionized. They are also afforded respect and higher levels of pay (though not as high as their corporate counterparts).
I think teaching is this rare breed (I guess special snowflake after all) where there is the need or desire to have the respect and pay of a salaried professional occupation but also the union protection of a service or labor industry professional. The concepts fight each other constantly.
There aren't many salaried professional careers where you can say work is only to be done between X hours. And most of these careers are subject to the dreaded "other duties as assigned" which doesn't mean additional compensation.
I'm not saying it's good or bad necessarily. I'm just spitballing here.
No unions here because my whole state is a special snowflake. Anyway teaching I itself is a different profession from most. In very few other professional level jobs are you on consistently all day. When I taught my planning period was usually taken by an IEP meeting which meant my 20 minute lunch was my only break all day. This is far from the case in most offices. DH often takes a least one hour lunches followed by shooting the shit by the coffee pot or a break outside here or there.
Post by navyblues2114 on Nov 19, 2014 8:38:19 GMT -5
I'm surprised that more professionals don't bring work home. My h is an engineer (part owner of his firm) and he brings several hours of work home several times per week. It's either that or he's saying in the office until 8 or 9 every night. He'd rather bring it home so he can have time with the kids and do the work after they go to bed.
When I was student teaching music 10 years ago I slowly realized it may not be meant for me. I would see how the teacher would have to deal with administration, parents, and class room management. I finished up my degree and don't regret getting it. I so much prefer teaching private lessons because of that one on one. I like feeling I'm getting more accomplished and it's just as rewarding to me. My specialty is instrumental music k-12.
DS1's first grade teacher had to show movies instead of teach for the entire week leading up to parent teacher conferences. She said she had so much paperwork to do that she literally didn't have time left in the day to teach anything. She obviously loves her job and her students, but I think the bureaucratic BS is getting to her.
In our school district teachers need to get approval before showing movies, so wtf to the teacher? Rules like that exist because of teachers like her. Sorry if that was already addressed but I didn't finish reading yet.
I'm surprised that more professionals don't bring work home. My h is an engineer (part owner of his firm) and he brings several hours of work home several times per week. It's either that or he's saying in the office until 8 or 9 every night. He'd rather bring it home so he can have time with the kids and do the work after they go to bed.
DH can't do his projects without a secure connection which is only really available at work. Then again sometimes he works 60 hour weeks to complete his stuff at work.
Post by penguingrrl on Nov 19, 2014 9:18:26 GMT -5
DH definitely brings work home a lot. Papers to grade, classes to plan, research to finish, papers to write. Any professor I've ever met does so. I don't remember a day in memory that he was completely unplugged from work. He's always logging onto the supercomputer remotely to check on his simulations and make sure everything is running correctly (and that's worse since he got a smartphone; he programmed an app so he can do it more easily). His job is definitely not done in 40 hours.
But, his pay is far higher than a 1st year K-12 teacher's pay because it's understood and respected that he's a professional in a way our society seems not to understand with K-12 teachers. I will say, though, that liberal arts professors don't get that consideration; engineering profs make far more because it's the only way to attract anyone to do it since there's a much better paying industrial outlet for their skills and experience.
Not replying still confessing: I will be royally pissed, angry and hurt if I am not the beneficiary of my dad's life insurance policy. (No other heirs and no siblings) There, I said it.
DH can't do his projects without a secure connection which is only really available at work. Then again sometimes he works 60 hour weeks to complete his stuff at work.
DH needs a secure connection too. He still works at home all the time. They have some sort of system I don't understand in place. But we have little coded keychain things that change constantly but allow us to log in securely from home. We have military contracts so they're really strict about it but we're also 24/7 so we need to be able to work from home in the event of some sort of apocolypse lol
Nope no way is this happening. Don't know why you can and he can't but it is pretty specific, especially on their top projects. But DH is expected to be in office at a moments notice and always available via phone
I think teaching is this rare breed (I guess special snowflake after all) where there is the need or desire to have the respect and pay of a salaried professional occupation but also the union protection of a service or labor industry professional. The concepts fight each other constantly.
There aren't many salaried professional careers where you can say work is only to be done between X hours. And most of these careers are subject to the dreaded "other duties as assigned" which doesn't mean additional compensation.
I'm not saying it's good or bad necessarily. I'm just spitballing here.
I wish we didn't need unions, but in my experience districts rarely do what is right for students and teachers unless they are forced to. Because of the union we have a duty free lunch, smaller classes (35 is now the maximum for high school), a safer work environment, and basic supplies for the classroom. Now they are working on reducing the amount of unnecessary paperwork we have. I don't think people realize that teachers unions directly and indirectly benefit students as well as teachers. Do you really want your kid in a class of 40? Or to have his teacher so stressed out and distracted that he/she is no longer able to focus on the students?
As far as taking work home, I fully expected to take work home when I decided to become a teacher and have no problem with doing so. The issue is that there is no longer ANY time to get ANY of that work done during the school day due to meetings during prep periods. And while my husband does occasionally bring work home, it's not on a consistent basis and he is well compensated for doing so.
I see teachers taken advantage of all the time and I think it is because they know we care about our students and will do extra for them when nobody else will, and also because most teachers are female. Why would they pay us for staying after to tutor when we are always so willing to do it for free? And why would they pay us more when ours is the secondary income? It's part of a much bigger issue, in my opinion.
Post by andrewsgal on Nov 19, 2014 14:05:37 GMT -5
And if I seem irritated damn right. DH is on hour 38 this week mid day Wednesday. I haven't seen him, neither have the kids. I have a sick baby who hasn't stopped crying. You sit there and basically say that because your husband can do IT stuff at home DH could do his work too when their jobs couldn't be more different. Trust me I want him home and he wants to be here so how about you stop the bullshit? I am so not in the mood.