Post by andrewsgal on Nov 21, 2014 10:49:40 GMT -5
But here's the reality. You can think a school starts too early. Hell I think my kids school does too, but unless I want to homeschool. I have to get their butts in their chairs. The earlier bedtime is more of a discipline tactic than anything. Has zero to do with their internal clock. FTR I think. Ton of things in school are ridiculous, but I don't get to pick and choose what I follow or not.
The start time is an interesting discussion - right now it's our high schoolers that have to be out the door by 6:45 and the elem kids not until 8:15 (to catch the bus, school starts at 8:55). But there is a big movement to flip flop things so that the little guys start early & the high schoolers go in later. There are good reasons for everyone wanting the later start time - but everyone can't have the later start time. Times are staggered for bussing.
That's an aside. We had a lot of issues w/ DD1 last year in preschool but things are much better this year. Honestly, I think a big part of it is the bus. She's deathly afraid of missing the bus (even though I've explained I can easily drive her). When we're having a rough time, we pick out clothes the night before to help. We also eat first and get dressed afterwards. We have about an hour in the morning to get ready - and I try to let breakfast be the wake up, slower time so that they have 30 minutes to eat, goof off, etc. Then we get down to business & get dressed, hair, teeth. We do most of it downstairs so I can tend to all 3 more easily.
Is taking the bus an option? Don't know if that fear of missing it would help.
We're a mile away, so no bus is available to us. I've actually often thought that having a bus to miss would be the exact kick in the ass she needs.
Our HSers start earlier than the elementary here so it's not even that they're flipping it to help adolescent sleep cycles. It seems this town just runs on a very early schedule.
I see. Sometimes I wish we were close enough to walk, but the bus is exactly the "threat" Ellie needs over her head to get moving.
Hopefully the timer idea works! Also, have you had a talk w/ her after school or on the weekends? Approach it from a "we have a problem and I need your help coming up w/ a solution." Suggest the timer idea, see if she will take some ownership of it instead of you just telling her "we're doing this." When we started picking out clothes for the week on Sunday, I tricked her into thinking it was just as much her idea as mine.
But here's the reality. You can think a school starts too early. Hell I think my kids school does too, but unless I want to homeschool. I have to get their butts in their chairs. The earlier bedtime is more of a discipline tactic than anything. Has zero to do with their internal clock. FTR I think. Ton of things in school are ridiculous, but I don't get to pick and choose what I follow or not.
Like I said, we aren't ignoring the issue and aren't telling her we're annoyed by the early start. In her eyes she's in huge trouble for the delay, school rules extend to home and we're looking for solutions to fix the issue. I'm bitching here because I won't in front of her and she will never know that I don't like the start time.
But here's the reality. You can think a school starts too early. Hell I think my kids school does too, but unless I want to homeschool. I have to get their butts in their chairs. The earlier bedtime is more of a discipline tactic than anything. Has zero to do with their internal clock. FTR I think. Ton of things in school are ridiculous, but I don't get to pick and choose what I follow or not.
Like I said, we aren't ignoring the issue and aren't telling her we're annoyed by the early start. In her eyes she's in huge trouble for the delay, school rules extend to home and we're looking for solutions to fix the issue. I'm bitching here because I won't in front of her and she will never know that I don't like the start time.
Sorry that was more directed at Amy. I know you aren't ignoring the problem. I should have used the quote function. I fail message board 101
My H sleeps through everything. Babies, dogs, coyotes behind our house...I usually just get up myself because its easier, BUT % has slept through the night since 9 mo. N gets up once still, but she's easy to get back to sleep. When I'm gone for the night he is HYPER aware though. He cranks up the monitor, but its like his body knows. He's told me before that he wakes up at every little sound. HA!
I am like that! In college DH used to have to carry me out of the dorms when the fire alarms were blaring because I wouldn't hear them! The last night Drew slept with me was the night DH heard him crying from across the house before I heard him in bed next to me and had to come wake me up. And last year when DH was away for him annual conference I happily reported that Drew slept through the night so well and Julia spoke up and said "no he didn't, he cried a lot." I felt awful. This was despite having the monitor cranked all the way up and next to my ear.
Lol. Poor Drew. Like I told my H about something unrelated last night- at least you know why he's gonna need therapy when he's 30
We're a mile away, so no bus is available to us. I've actually often thought that having a bus to miss would be the exact kick in the ass she needs.
Our HSers start earlier than the elementary here so it's not even that they're flipping it to help adolescent sleep cycles. It seems this town just runs on a very early schedule.
I see. Sometimes I wish we were close enough to walk, but the bus is exactly the "threat" Ellie needs over her head to get moving.
Hopefully the timer idea works! Also, have you had a talk w/ her after school or on the weekends? Approach it from a "we have a problem and I need your help coming up w/ a solution." Suggest the timer idea, see if she will take some ownership of it instead of you just telling her "we're doing this." When we started picking out clothes for the week on Sunday, I tricked her into thinking it was just as much her idea as mine.
We discussed it in the car this morning and both girls like the idea of getting dressed first and I'll talk to her about the timer. Picking clothes the night before or on Sunday totally backfired on us last year. She spent more time fighting what she had previously chosen than she ever spent picking something in the morning (she picks clothes quickly and happily, just doesn't want to actually put them on lol!).
I also wonder if she's chilly so getting dressed sounds awful...
I can sympathize because my kids are sleepers. Fortunately their school day is VERY late. 9am start, so we don't have nay issues but an hour seems like a long time just to get dressed, eat, brush teeth and comb hair. I also don't have issues on mornings they need to be up and out earlier. Are they a bit crankier at bedtime sure but if it was a consistently wake up time. I would adjust their bedtimes as needed.
Also, is she the only child awake that early? Maybe you need a more structured one on one time to help her get ready. Yes, she should be able to do this independently but where she is not I would focus on setting a routine for her one-on-one and then slowly putting pieces on her.
What is she having for breakfast? Are you overextending yourself on that front? Also, I would still have her in bed earlier if she is that tired. Start with 15 minutes and try it for a week, then extend to 30 min etc.
Lastly, make sure everything is ready night before. Back pack, lunch, clothes, shoes, etc. I even have a clean bowl, spoon and oatmeal package on the counter ready to go. I also have his thermos, clean assembled and ready to fill, lunch box packed 70% of the way, shoes, coat, hat and gloves all by the door.
But here's the reality. You can think a school starts too early. Hell I think my kids school does too, but unless I want to homeschool. I have to get their butts in their chairs. The earlier bedtime is more of a discipline tactic than anything. Has zero to do with their internal clock. FTR I think. Ton of things in school are ridiculous, but I don't get to pick and choose what I follow or not.
Well yeah, no one is saying fight the man or homeschool or or start a petition or whatever. But it is just dumb.
I'll be honest -- my kids are a ball at night. They really are the best. It's DH's real quality time with them, some days mine too. I've got no interest in disciplining DS1 into an hour earlier bedtime -- filled with whining and nonsense -- when we have nice smooth evenings. I rather take 20 minutes of whining in the morning if and when the time comes and he doesn't self adjust.
But here's the reality. You can think a school starts too early. Hell I think my kids school does too, but unless I want to homeschool. I have to get their butts in their chairs. The earlier bedtime is more of a discipline tactic than anything. Has zero to do with their internal clock. FTR I think. Ton of things in school are ridiculous, but I don't get to pick and choose what I follow or not.
Well yeah, no one is saying fight the man or homeschool or or start a petition or whatever. But it is just dumb.
I'll be honest -- my kids are a ball at night. They really are the best. It's DH's real quality time with them, some days mine too. I've got no interest in disciplining DS1 into an hour earlier bedtime -- filled with whining and nonsense -- when we have nice smooth evenings. I rather take 20 minutes of whining in the morning if and when the time comes and he doesn't self adjust.
I get it. I do. DS is rotten at night like truly awful he sometimes is asleep by 6:30. Dd is all kinds of awesome at night. It is my favorite time of day with her. I have to make myself make her go to bed. She needs at least 10 hours of sleep to fully function during the day. I can't change the time school stats, but I have been able to teach her how to go to sleep earlier than she feels like. It sucks for her, but it is what it is. Now on the weekend all bets are off and she can stay up reading as late as she wants.
Well yeah, no one is saying fight the man or homeschool or or start a petition or whatever. But it is just dumb.
I'll be honest -- my kids are a ball at night. They really are the best. It's DH's real quality time with them, some days mine too. I've got no interest in disciplining DS1 into an hour earlier bedtime -- filled with whining and nonsense -- when we have nice smooth evenings. I rather take 20 minutes of whining in the morning if and when the time comes and he doesn't self adjust.
I get it. I do. DS is rotten at night like truly awful he sometimes is asleep by 6:30. Dd is all kinds of awesome at night. It is my favorite time of day with her. I have to make myself make her go to bed. She needs at least 10 hours of sleep to fully function during the day. I can't change the time school stats, but I have been able to teach her how to go to sleep earlier than she feels like. It sucks for her, but it is what it is. Now on the weekend all bets are off and she can stay up reading as late as she wants.
Right now it works -- school starts at 9. I assume it was just adjust as need be, but who knows? because hell I think getting up at 6:30 blows.
I get it. I do. DS is rotten at night like truly awful he sometimes is asleep by 6:30. Dd is all kinds of awesome at night. It is my favorite time of day with her. I have to make myself make her go to bed. She needs at least 10 hours of sleep to fully function during the day. I can't change the time school stats, but I have been able to teach her how to go to sleep earlier than she feels like. It sucks for her, but it is what it is. Now on the weekend all bets are off and she can stay up reading as late as she wants.
Right now it works -- school starts at 9. I assume it was just adjust as need be, but who knows? because hell I think getting up at 6:30 blows.
I love getting up early! DH does not, but yep if she could stay up I would let her, it's just not possible now.
I can sympathize because my kids are sleepers. Fortunately their school day is VERY late. 9am start, so we don't have nay issues but an hour seems like a long time just to get dressed, eat, brush teeth and comb hair. I also don't have issues on mornings they need to be up and out earlier. Are they a bit crankier at bedtime sure but if it was a consistently wake up time. I would adjust their bedtimes as needed.
Also, is she the only child awake that early? Maybe you need a more structured one on one time to help her get ready. Yes, she should be able to do this independently but where she is not I would focus on setting a routine for her one-on-one and then slowly putting pieces on her.
What is she having for breakfast? Are you overextending yourself on that front? Also, I would still have her in bed earlier if she is that tired. Start with 15 minutes and try it for a week, then extend to 30 min etc.
Lastly, make sure everything is ready night before. Back pack, lunch, clothes, shoes, etc. I even have a clean bowl, spoon and oatmeal package on the counter ready to go. I also have his thermos, clean assembled and ready to fill, lunch box packed 70% of the way, shoes, coat, hat and gloves all by the door.
Backpack is always packed, breakfast is two bowls of cereal and a bowl of fruit. Honestly, we're already in bed earlier than she can fall asleep (lights out at 7:30). I move quickly and can personally be dressed and out the door within 15 minutes of waking up. Somehow the girls both got DHs slower nature and I have no idea how things take them so long but they do.
And all five of us are usually out the door at the same time. H leaves for work and I drop the girls and school and go straight to the gym (although today I was lazy and skipped the gym), so we're all on the same schedule.
Post by lattelady5 on Nov 21, 2014 11:15:02 GMT -5
Could you let her sleep a little later while you get the other two ready?
DD used to have a reeeeallly hard time getting up. If we had somewhere to be early, I'd set all of her stuff out the night before and get my self and DS fully ready and bag packed etc. before even waking her up. Then I'd just wake her up, do morning potty, teeth brush,easy hair do, get dressed and she'd have breakfast in the car. It was just too stressful listening to her whine for an extra 40 minutes when I could give her 30 minutes extra to sleep and just get her ready super fast.
I see. Sometimes I wish we were close enough to walk, but the bus is exactly the "threat" Ellie needs over her head to get moving.Â
Hopefully the timer idea works! Also, have you had a talk w/ her after school or on the weekends? Approach it from a "we have a problem and I need your help coming up w/ a solution." Suggest the timer idea, see if she will take some ownership of it instead of you just telling her "we're doing this." When we started picking out clothes for the week on Sunday, I tricked her into thinking it was just as much her idea as mine.Â
We discussed it in the car this morning and both girls like the idea of getting dressed first and I'll talk to her about the timer. Picking clothes the night before or on Sunday totally backfired on us last year. She spent more time fighting what she had previously chosen than she ever spent picking something in the morning (she picks clothes quickly and happily, just doesn't want to actually put them on lol!).Â
I also wonder if she's chilly so getting dressed sounds awful...
I used to hate changing into cold clothes, still do. I leave DS's clothes by the heater vent so they are warm. My mom used to pop my clothes in the dryer for a minute so they were warm.
Could you let her sleep a little later while you get the other two ready?
DD used to have a reeeeallly hard time getting up. If we had somewhere to be early, I'd set all of her stuff out the night before and get my self and DS fully ready and bag packed etc. before even waking her up. Then I'd just wake her up, do morning potty, teeth brush,easy hair do, get dressed and she'd have breakfast in the car. It was just too stressful listening to her whine for an extra 40 minutes when I could give her 30 minutes extra to sleep and just get her ready super fast.
I can try that. She usually wakes up when we go in to wake up her sister (they share a room).
We discussed it in the car this morning and both girls like the idea of getting dressed first and I'll talk to her about the timer. Picking clothes the night before or on Sunday totally backfired on us last year. She spent more time fighting what she had previously chosen than she ever spent picking something in the morning (she picks clothes quickly and happily, just doesn't want to actually put them on lol!).
I also wonder if she's chilly so getting dressed sounds awful...
I used to hate changing into cold clothes, still do. I leave DS's clothes by the heater vent so they are warm. My mom used to pop my clothes in the dryer for a minute so they were warm.
I may ask her if that's part of the problem. It's been getting harder to get her moving and I attributed it to getting progressively tired, but maybe it's cold clothes. Hmmm, maybe I'll pop them on the radiator in her room for a few minutes (which is what we do with hats and scarves).
Post by penguingrrl on Nov 21, 2014 11:38:52 GMT -5
Well, I just asked her (half day today so they're home now) and it turns out half the issue is taking off warm pjs to put on cold clothes. We're going to try warming her clothes up in advance as well as not getting breakfast until she's ready for school and see it that works! Wish me luck because my next step is to ask her teacher to please have consequences at school for being late (right now there are no consequences until she gets home 6+ hours later).
Well, I just asked her (half day today so they're home now) and it turns out half the issue is taking off warm pjs to put on cold clothes. We're going to try warming her clothes up in advance as well as not getting breakfast until she's ready for school and see it that works! Wish me luck because my next step is to ask her teacher to please have consequences at school for being late (right now there are no consequences until she gets home 6+ hours later).
I hate putting on cold clothes too. DD and I sit on the heaters in the mornings for warm up time
Is it too early to drink? We've had a shittastic morning. Two tantruming kids when the bus arrives is no Bueno.
Us too I will join you. A sick baby fight over the correct spelling of the word reason (that I obviously changed the morning of the spelling test), and a shirt that was strangling my son. Add that to the fact that I get to eat three thanksgiving meals (not really eating just sitting) in the school cafeteria today and it is shaping up to be an amazing day.
I'm glad I'm not the only one with a kid who knows everything. Lol. I jinxed myself and my morning went further to shit. My mom called me with like no notice to take her to the doctors so I had to rearrange my whole morning. On the way there I stopped at the Market to grab some things and they lost power/their whole system crashed so it took forever because they had to write everything down. Meantime my mom is calling incessantly like this is my fault. I'm late to pick her up and she whines. I get home, fight with the hospital/a collection agency over medical bills. In the midst of this dh calls and asks for something and I lose my shit exorcist style. Now I'm cooking lasagna and drinking wine at 1130. Sigh.
Us too I will join you. A sick baby fight over the correct spelling of the word reason (that I obviously changed the morning of the spelling test), and a shirt that was strangling my son. Add that to the fact that I get to eat three thanksgiving meals (not really eating just sitting) in the school cafeteria today and it is shaping up to be an amazing day.
I'm glad I'm not the only one with a kid who knows everything. Lol. I jinxed myself and my morning went further to shit. My mom called me with like no notice to take her to the doctors so I had to rearrange my whole morning. On the way there I stopped at the Market to grab some things and they lost power/their whole system crashed so it took forever because they had to write everything down. Meantime my mom is calling incessantly like this is my fault. I'm late to pick her up and she whines. I get home, fight with the hospital/a collection agency over medical bills. In the midst of this dh calls and asks for something and I lose my shit exorcist style. Now I'm cooking lasagna and drinking wine at 1130. Sigh.
I am sorry hope it gets better. The wine sounds good
Us too I will join you. A sick baby fight over the correct spelling of the word reason (that I obviously changed the morning of the spelling test), and a shirt that was strangling my son. Add that to the fact that I get to eat three thanksgiving meals (not really eating just sitting) in the school cafeteria today and it is shaping up to be an amazing day.
I'm glad I'm not the only one with a kid who knows everything. Lol. I jinxed myself and my morning went further to shit. My mom called me with like no notice to take her to the doctors so I had to rearrange my whole morning. On the way there I stopped at the Market to grab some things and they lost power/their whole system crashed so it took forever because they had to write everything down. Meantime my mom is calling incessantly like this is my fault. I'm late to pick her up and she whines. I get home, fight with the hospital/a collection agency over medical bills. In the midst of this dh calls and asks for something and I lose my shit exorcist style. Now I'm cooking lasagna and drinking wine at 1130. Sigh.
(((Hugs))) That sounds like an awful morning! I hope your day gets better!
Post by justbecause on Nov 21, 2014 12:29:49 GMT -5
I am taking my kids out in public a lot today because I'm hoping it will reduce my yelling. The three year old threw a fit fir fish sticks at the store and the toddler screeched the entire time. Some beer made it's way into the cart. I also don't slow for pedestrians who don't use a cross walk. Walk ten feet and cross where you are supposed to!
I am taking my kids out in public a lot today because I'm hoping it will reduce my yelling. The three year old threw a fit fir fish sticks at the store and the toddler screeched the entire time. Some beer made it's way into the cart. I also don't slow for pedestrians who don't use a cross walk. Walk ten feet and cross where you are supposed to!
You are a total asshole. Just saying. Slow the fuck down your impatience is no better then the impatience of a person crossing mid block. Except you are driving a 2 ton car and can kill them.