OMG! You mean rape is a...a...a PROBLEM here? Gosh, we'd better do something about that!
And just because it's fun, this was among the comments: "Restore Honor now: Get the Mob/CIA's sons' homosexual ritual bonding; the homosexual Dean of Students' supervising their gang raping; and, Zionist 9/11 traitor Zelikow out of The University."
Clearly this guy is passionate about stopping rape!
Post by cattledogkisses on Nov 25, 2014 17:06:16 GMT -5
I still don't understand why universities are investigating (I feel like I should put that in quotation marks) serious crimes internally. When a crime is alleged to have occurred, it should be mandatory to immediately involve the appropriate law enforcement authorities.
What training and resources do university officials have to investigate crimes? That's what police are for.
It boggles my mind that this is even necessary. Surely having zero tolerance for rape should be the default.
SMH.
The article actually fails to explain at all what is meant by "zero tolerance" in this instance. I can't tell if this means those found to have sexually assaulted a student will automatically be expelled, or if this is just a sort of hollow vote intended to show that the Board is now thuper therious about this issue.
It boggles my mind that this is even necessary. Surely having zero tolerance for rape should be the default.
SMH.
The article actually fails to explain at all what is meant by "zero tolerance" in this instance. I can't tell if this means those found to have sexually assaulted a student will automatically be expelled, or if this is just a sort of hollow vote intended to show that the Board is now thuper therious about this issue.
There's that too. Let's see accountability, punishment, etc. Rape is a crime is needs to be turned over to the real police.
I still don't understand why universities are investigating (I feel like I should put that in quotation marks) serious crimes internally. When a crime is alleged to have occurred, it should be mandatory to immediately involve the appropriate law enforcement authorities.
What training and resources do university officials have to investigate crimes? That's what police are for.
I would love to see blanket legislation of something to this effect, in fact. Something that requires universities to report alleged crimes and allow them to be investigated through the proper legal channels.
If all universities had to do this, then maybe some of them would actually get serious about rape and sexual assault. Don't want to be known as a "rape school?" Then you better do something about it.
I still don't understand why universities are investigating (I feel like I should put that in quotation marks) serious crimes internally. When a crime is alleged to have occurred, it should be mandatory to immediately involve the appropriate law enforcement authorities.
What training and resources do university officials have to investigate crimes? That's what police are for.
I would love to see blanket legislation of something to this effect, in fact. Something that requires universities to report alleged crimes and allow them to be investigated through the proper legal channels.
If all universities had to do this, then maybe some of them would actually get serious about rape and sexual assault. Don't want to be known as a "rape school?" Then you better do something about it.
This was my main question--I asked DH, who was on the Board of a VA University that operates under the same general system as UVA. He said that it is a jurisdiction issue--the campus police force has jurisdiction and the town police can't get involved unless the campus police specifically ask them to get involved (my VA college didn't have a separate "campus" force--it was a assignment/rotation as part of the town force--so this was news to me). So the campus police *is* the proper channel, police-wise. He also said there where actually 5 different official channels to report--all which *should* allow for expulsion, with the campus police route requiring the most evidence, so the issue is likely with those channels not working properly, not that the structure doesn't exist.
I still don't understand why universities are investigating (I feel like I should put that in quotation marks) serious crimes internally. When a crime is alleged to have occurred, it should be mandatory to immediately involve the appropriate law enforcement authorities.
What training and resources do university officials have to investigate crimes? That's what police are for.
I work in Judicial Affairs for a university and until recenlty was in charge of investigating these type of allegations. If a student reports a sexual assault, our office handled the educational aspect of it. So sanctions for the accuser ( suspension,expulsion ect). When victims did not want to go to the police or when there was not enough evidence to convict criminally is gives the university the authority to handle the situation.
Even if a student was criminally charged and convicted but not jailed, they could still continue at school as if nothing happened. BY allowing Universities to handle their own process, we could sanction the student accordingly. Also, the criminal system could take years to play out and the university can act quicker.
Laslty, as a university conduct code violation we have a different burden of proof "more likely than not" ( although some school used clear and convincing until 2011 when the Office of Civil Rights required more likely than not". This burden makes it "easier" to find students responsibile of sexual misconduct than in the criminal system.
The training is all over the place and not consistent. Also, this sounds great in theory and I'm sure some schools do this well but when you add in athletics, the Greek system, lawyers and donors it all goes to shit pretty quickly. I struggled with many aspects and am glad that I am no longer in charge of this.
I'm confused. They just passed this? Prior to passing this rape was ok? Now they care about rape on campus because the whole country knows? When the dean and the administration knew about the young woman from the rolling stone article they didn't care? But now that it's public they care?
I feel dense because I don't quite understand why universities are treated as if they are their own nation when it comes to legal jurisdiction. It smacks of the NFL, doesn't it?
I normally post on MM but wanted to share this youtube video since it is relevant to this topic. This is someone I know who was raped at UVA and she posted this video on facebook. She gave everyone permission to share it.