Cleveland Shooting Video Released

[FloFTW]

It appears the officer shoots immediately after pulling up to Tamir Rice.

www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2014/11/26/tamir-rice-shooting-video-released/19530745/

[AJL]

Oh man.

[NewOrleans]

omfg that's EXACTLY how fast it was with John Crawford. Exactly. That family is going to be watching their boy die if they haven't already.

Where are all those bystanders we heard about that needed protecting? I don't see anyone.


Now, I'm asking this not as condemnation but for clarification-- do they need to pull up directly to the suspect like that? in that close range? The kid kind of looks like he's tooling around, loitering, like kids do. Would they have assessed the risk / body language and stuff before moving in? And is it protocol to just go straight up to an "armed suspect" like they did?

[FloFTW]

Nov 26, 2014 14:18:32 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

omfg that's EXACTLY how fast it was with John Crawford. Exactly. That family is going to be watching their boy die if they haven't already.

Where are all those bystanders we heard about that needed protecting? I don't see anyone.


Now, I'm asking this not as condemnation but for clarification-- do they need to pull up directly to the suspect like that? in that close range? The kid kind of looks like he's tooling around, loitering, like kids do. Would they have assessed the risk / body language and stuff before moving in? And is it protocol to just go straight up to an "armed suspect" like they did?

The city offered the video to the family first, very soon after they realized it was availably. First the family said they did not want to see it, but they told their lawyers to look. Then they decided that they DID want to see it, watched it, and then asked that it be released to the public. So, they've seen it. By their own choice.

[NewOrleans]

Nov 26, 2014 14:20:54 GMT -5 FloFTW said:

Nov 26, 2014 14:18:32 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

omfg that's EXACTLY how fast it was with John Crawford. Exactly. That family is going to be watching their boy die if they haven't already.

Where are all those bystanders we heard about that needed protecting? I don't see anyone.


Now, I'm asking this not as condemnation but for clarification-- do they need to pull up directly to the suspect like that? in that close range? The kid kind of looks like he's tooling around, loitering, like kids do. Would they have assessed the risk / body language and stuff before moving in? And is it protocol to just go straight up to an "armed suspect" like they did?

The city offered the video to the family first, very soon after they realized it was availably. First the family said they did not want to see it, but they told their lawyers to look. Then they decided that they DID want to see it, watched it, and then asked that it be released to the public. So, they've seen it. By their own choice.

I saw a headline earlier where they asked for it to be released.  But can you imagine them, huddled together, watching. their. child. be. killed.    

[FloFTW]

Nov 26, 2014 14:24:18 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Nov 26, 2014 14:20:54 GMT -5 FloFTW said:

The city offered the video to the family first, very soon after they realized it was availably. First the family said they did not want to see it, but they told their lawyers to look. Then they decided that they DID want to see it, watched it, and then asked that it be released to the public. So, they've seen it. By their own choice.

I saw a headline earlier where they asked for it to be released.  But can you imagine them, huddled together, watching. their. child. be. killed.    

I can and that's why it's so heartbreaking.   

[lahoagie]

Nov 26, 2014 14:24:18 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Nov 26, 2014 14:20:54 GMT -5 FloFTW said:

The city offered the video to the family first, very soon after they realized it was availably. First the family said they did not want to see it, but they told their lawyers to look. Then they decided that they DID want to see it, watched it, and then asked that it be released to the public. So, they've seen it. By their own choice.

I saw a headline earlier where they asked for it to be released.  But can you imagine them, huddled together, watching. their. child. be. killed.    

My husbands cousin was tasered by the cops and died. We had the TV on while making dinner one night and my husband starts screaming because the news was playing a video of his cousin being killed. I will never, ever, ever, forget the noise that the taser gun made. We live a couple thousand miles away from where the incident happened and just never thought it would be on our news. It was horrifying. It must have been so much worse for his aunt and uncle.

[NewOrleans]

Nov 26, 2014 14:30:51 GMT -5 lahoagie said:

Nov 26, 2014 14:24:18 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

I saw a headline earlier where they asked for it to be released.  But can you imagine them, huddled together, watching. their. child. be. killed.    

My husbands cousin was tasered by the cops and died. We had the TV on while making dinner one night and my husband starts screaming because the news was playing a video of his cousin being killed. I will never, ever, ever, forget the noise that the taser gun made. We live a couple thousand miles away from where the incident happened and just never thought it would be on our news. It was horrifying. It must have been so much worse for his aunt and uncle.

omfg.  

telling you I am sorry for that is grotesquely inadequate.

[summer]

#2seconds on Twitter

[summer]

Police thought 12 year old was 20

[nomad100]

I am still trying to wrap my head around how the police somehow want us to suspend reason and believe that they told Tamir 3 times to put his hands up, waited for him to show some response and were then able to shoot him in 1.5 to 2 seconds. That is some auctioneer style fast talking right there.

[NitaX]

Nov 26, 2014 16:16:03 GMT -5 summer said:

Police thought 12 year old was 20

Is this relevant tho? Because I pointed out the age thing and it's relevance was questioned.

[summer]

Nov 26, 2014 16:27:03 GMT -5 NitaX said:

Nov 26, 2014 16:16:03 GMT -5 summer said:

Police thought 12 year old was 20

Is this relevant tho? Because I pointed out the age thing and it's relevance was questioned.

I don't know.  I don't care.  Black people apparently appear bigger and scarier and older. 

I'm sorry. I'm really trying to get my brain to work after watching cops roll up on and immediately shoot a 12 year old. 

I don't even know what relevant means anymore.   

[lobstertail]

All along, the police claimed that they'd asked Tamir to raise his hands and he didn't comply. After watching the video, I'm wondering when the cop who pulled the trigger actually did that. On the way to the scene? But of course, people will still find this child totally at fault.

www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2014/11/26/tamir-rice-shooting-video-released/19530745/

[iammalcolmx]

Hold on. I thought he said he asked the kid to put his hands up and he went for what looked like a gun. How is that even possible if he shot the kid immediately? In that case I am now blaming the cop.

[pixy0stix]

I can't guys. I can't.

[summer]

I've been simmering with this video for a minute now. 

What the fuck?  Seriously.  Are you kidding me with this bullshit?  And you want to tell me that this is "clean"? Is that how they described it?   

Like I can't see with my own eyes???  What magic will be performed to convince me this child had to die?  

[downtoearth]

That is terrible. If you watch the whole video he often puts his hands into his coat/vest as if to warm them. I don't think this does anything but show that this police officer shot before he even tried to finish a sentence. I know they have to make split-second decisions, but I think the officer made the wrong split-second decision in this case.

[summer]

Nov 26, 2014 16:41:44 GMT -5 pennypenny said:

1. This video does not match any of the articles posted on this. This is horrific.

2. Where are all the scared bystanders.

3. I believe there will be a trial and this officer will go to jail.

THIS, godammit!!!! 

THIS time there was a video, which honestly, may not mean a damn thing.  So we can all see with our eyes that it doesn't match.   This time it was just "lucky" that there was a camera.  

This is all beyond fucked up.  

[FloFTW]

Police radio

www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2014/11/26/tamir-rice-cleveland-police-radio/19547085/?hootPostID=c8e6c76964fa10bcf44bd38241f8beee

[FloFTW]

Hm. I just listened and it goes immediately from them saying they'll go there, to "shots fired".

[stealthmom]

Nov 26, 2014 16:27:03 GMT -5 NitaX said:

Nov 26, 2014 16:16:03 GMT -5 summer said:

Police thought 12 year old was 20

Is this relevant tho? Because I pointed out the age thing and it's relevance was questioned.

do you honestly think this cop would have done anything differently if he had been told tamir was 12? I don't. Not for a single second.

[downtoearth]

Nov 26, 2014 16:33:49 GMT -5 summer said:

Nov 26, 2014 16:27:03 GMT -5 NitaX said:

Is this relevant tho? Because I pointed out the age thing and it's relevance was questioned.

I don't know.  I don't care.  Black people apparently appear bigger and scarier and older. 

I'm sorry. I'm really trying to get my brain to work after watching cops roll up on and immediately shoot a 12 year old. 

I don't even know what relevant means anymore.   

I question if it's relevant, bc I would hope that a 20 or 12 year old would at least get 2 seconds to respond to a command before being shot dead.  But a 12 year old definitely looks different than a 20 year old - unless all black males look alike to people.

[FloFTW]

The officer at the scene describes Tamir as a 20 year old after he's been shot.

[NitaX]

Nov 26, 2014 16:52:22 GMT -5 stealthmom said:

Nov 26, 2014 16:27:03 GMT -5 NitaX said:

Is this relevant tho? Because I pointed out the age thing and it's relevance was questioned.

do you honestly think this cop would have done anything differently if he had been told tamir was 12? I don't. Not for a single second.

If you are assessing that teen black males are always dangerous, then you don't ever bother to find out. I think if the kid had been 8 or 9 they would assume maybe it was a toy. But, again everyone thinks a black male over age 12 is 4 yrs older so here we are.

I get people saying my 12 yr old looks older. That's a dayum lie. She's tall and doesn't wear make-up so how the hell does she look older?

[summer]

Bottom line. I don't care how old the police officer thought he was. He lied about everything. And I believe Darren Wilson is lying. And George Zimmerman lied and so many others lied. And they know they are lying and the people around them know they are lying and those people are lying, too. And it's making me sick.

[lobstertail]

Nov 26, 2014 16:42:56 GMT -5 pennypenny said:

Nov 26, 2014 16:36:34 GMT -5 lobstertail said:

All along, the police claimed that they'd asked Tamir to raise his hands and he didn't comply. After watching the video, I'm wondering when the cop who pulled the trigger actually did that. On the way to the scene? But of course, people will still find this child totally at fault.

www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2014/11/26/tamir-rice-shooting-video-released/19530745/

I don't think this is true. I personally know several officers who are not finding this child at fault after seeing the video.

That's actually a relief to hear. I wasn't too clear in my initial comment but I meant "they" as in people out on the internet. My local news posted this video on fb and I had been reading the comments. There were a shocking number of people who were saying it was all Tamir's fault. Even after supposedly watching the video! Blergh.

[NesC]

Lurker here, but he clearly reaches to his waistband/jacket area. I'm figuring he was probably reaching for the gun to hand it over to the officers, but that is not something that can 100% determined. He was told to put his hands up and instead he reaches for the weapon. An officer cannot be expected to just stand there and wait for whatever is coming. It is a tragedy that this boy died, and my heart goes out to his family. I feel that this could have totally been avoided had someone taught this kid not to "play" with guns (of any kind). They are not toys, even if they are labeled that way. i.e. BB guns, pellet, guns, etc.
Full disclosure: I am in law enforcement. I know that you will think that I am biased, but the fact is that there are many dangerous people in this country who do pull "real" guns, knives, etc. on us and we have to react. If we waited to see what kind of weapon the person is going for, we would end up wounded or dead. It is a sad situation all around, but when it comes to my own life or someone else's, I am choosing mine. I am sure some of you will not like this response, but it is just the way it is. No officer wants to have to draw their weapon, but sometimes it is unavoidable.

[pixy0stix]

[callalily]

Oh hell no. Hell no.