Where is the news about the New Black Panthers planning to blow up the St. Louis Arches - with several members arrested trying to purchase explosives? The charges reduced to a lesser charge on a gun violation.
I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the Hamburglar.
I really don't know how to edit this to say "St. Louis", but I would if I could.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
I'm glad to know that a five year old and Hulk Hogan sounds credible coming from a 6'2 230 pounds trained, armed police officer sitting in a 4000 pound SUV in this planet of lys 's
Did you read *his* bullshit testimony? Yeah, thought not. Dorian Johnson sounded like Clarence Darrow in comparison. Fuck this noise.
So I haven't paid as much attention to the legal details in this case as I should have. But is it fair to say that the bulk of the problem here was with the prosecuting attorney rather than the grand jurors themselves? I mean, if the people presenting the evidence and the law are issuing legally incorrect instructions, the grand jurors never really stood a chance to make the right call, did they?
So I haven't paid as much attention to the legal details in this case as I should have. But is it fair to say that the bulk of the problem here was with the prosecuting attorney rather than the grand jurors themselves? I mean, if the people presenting the evidence and the law are issuing legally incorrect instructions, the grand jurors never really stood a chance to make the right call, did they?
From what I've seen, this is the fault of the prosecutor. Not only did he not want an indictment, but it was as if he actively sought to use the proceeding to exonerate Wilson of any wrongdoing. So he did everything he could to ensure he got his way. The entire proceeding was a sham. It was worse than if no proceeding had been held at all.
Do I think juror bias played a part? Sure. But I really do believe that could have been overcome - at least at the grand jury stage - with a prosecutor that actually was doing his or her job.
I don't think a grand jury should have been used at all. The DA should've made the filing decision like they do in Damn near every other major case. Except this DA knew he didn't want to prosecute a cop, so he convened a grand jury and did a shit job (or allowed his ADA to do a shit job) presenting the case so he could shift the blame & scrutiny to the jurors when no indictment came down - easier to point to the grand jury than to explain why his office didn't file charges. I don't think he ever anticipated himself and his office getting put under the microscope like this.
That's the thing. If someone said to me, "hear, read this. It may totally change your mind on something near and dear to you." I would TOTALLY read it, out of curiousity if nothing else.
There was an article someone posted a few months back about how if you try to present contradicting info to someone who is anti-vaccine or a climate change denier, they instead double down and become MORE steadfast in their POV. I'm worried for many, their response may be like that. Defensive.
this is what I was going to say. studies show it is a values stance for them. Science, facts doesn't change their POV because they feel you are attacking them and their values so they shut down. I also think the segregation article that someone posted about how a large chunk of people only associate with people of their same race/ethnicity, so they simply can't imagine the realities that other communities are up against.
From what I've seen, this is the fault of the prosecutor. Not only did he not want an indictment, but it was as if he actively sought to use the proceeding to exonerate Wilson of any wrongdoing. So he did everything he could to ensure he got his way. The entire proceeding was a sham. It was worse than if no proceeding had been held at all.
Do I think juror bias played a part? Sure. But I really do believe that could have been overcome - at least at the grand jury stage - with a prosecutor that actually was doing his or her job.
I don't think a grand jury should have been used at all. The DA should've made the filing decision like they do in Damn near every other major case. Except this DA knew he didn't want to prosecute a cop, so he convened a grand jury and did a shit job (or allowed his ADA to do a shit job) presenting the case so he could shift the blame & scrutiny to the jurors when no indictment came down - easier to point to the grand jury than to explain why his office didn't file charges. I don't think he ever anticipated himself and his office getting put under the microscope like this.
That's my theory anyways.
You know, I was thinking about this. I'm not that familiar with grand juries and how the whole thing operates. I don't recall even hearing about a grand jury being convened in MI in the recent past. The county we live in has no problem prosecuting cops if they feel it's necessary.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
So I haven't paid as much attention to the legal details in this case as I should have. But is it fair to say that the bulk of the problem here was with the prosecuting attorney rather than the grand jurors themselves? I mean, if the people presenting the evidence and the law are issuing legally incorrect instructions, the grand jurors never really stood a chance to make the right call, did they?
A grand jury was not required Michael Brown was not profiled. Michael Brown was not killed while fleeing - he was killed when moving toward Darren Wilson - more than 3 witnesses' testimony support this as does the blood spatter on the ground. "The hands up - don't shoot" is a narrative that has been disproven by more than 3 black witnesses' testimony and the blood splatter evidence on the ground. Dorian Johnson proved to not be a reliable witness - by evidence and also inconsistencies in his testimony.
Where is the news about the New Black Panthers planning to blow up the St. Louis Arches - with several members arrested trying to purchase explosives? The charges reduced to a lesser charge on a gun violation.
You really should have a "Sponsored by Fox News" photo as your signature.
As a practical matter however, jurors rarely convict officers, even when they should and even with the best prosecutors who actually do their job.
Why do you think that is?
Is the standard for convicting an officer substantially high or something?
Do people, on average, respect officers that much?
I'm just genuinely interested in better understanding the juror perspective.
The standard of proof is the same. I personally don't have any insight into why. It baffles me. But the talking heads who have been on the radio after a couple local, high-profile cop acquittals (one for assault, one for murder) have always mentioned jurors not wanting other cops to have to second guess themselves on the job because they fear litigation, jurors not wanting to believe that cops would do something THAT wrong on purpose, unsympathetic victims, etc.
In the two local cases I'm thinking of, one was tried by the elected DA of the county and the other was tried by one of my colleagues, who had decades of experience trying major crimes and is known for his meticulousness.
Other than the last part (b/c everyone I know knows there's only one Arch) Lys' statements are what I've heard from almost everyone in my life, both FB and IRL. I have TWO friends who have been pretty in line with this board and it saddens me. I've done a lot of unfriending lately over this, but some people I just cannot quit. It just goes to show how incredibly racially divided this city truly is. And I promise you, these are not people that think they are racist or want to be racist, most are just unjustifiably ignorant.
This has unfortunately been my experience too. I have pretty much quit life.
A grand jury was not required Michael Brown was not profiled. Michael Brown was not killed while fleeing - he was killed when moving toward Darren Wilson - more than 3 witnesses' testimony support this as does the blood spatter on the ground. "The hands up - don't shoot" is a narrative that has been disproven by more than 3 black witnesses' testimony and the blood splatter evidence on the ground. Dorian Johnson proved to not be a reliable witness - by evidence and also inconsistencies in his testimony.
Where is the news about the New Black Panthers planning to blow up the St. Louis Arches - with several members arrested trying to purchase explosives? The charges reduced to a lesser charge on a gun violation.
You are a really good person and it would be terrible if you got swallowed by a sinkhole.
There was an article someone posted a few months back about how if you try to present contradicting info to someone who is anti-vaccine or a climate change denier, they instead double down and become MORE steadfast in their POV. I'm worried for many, their response may be like that. Defensive.
this is what I was going to say. studies show it is a values stance for them. Science, facts doesn't change their POV because they feel you are attacking them and their values so they shut down. I also think the segregation article that someone posted about how a large chunk of people only associate with people of their same race/ethnicity, so they simply can't imagine the realities that other communities are up against.
Is this what is happening in Congress and why people can not even sit in the same room and discuss a topic? If so, I understand how fully screwed we are then.