So what it really comes down to is that you want Y4M and Ellie out? Popularity contests for Mods, but not anything else?
Personal preference is to have y4m gone, but she's BEC for me. (FULL DISCLOSURE)
The mods should be people you trust. Not someone who is popular. Fuck knows I'm not popular as I've ruffled too many feathers, but I'd hope you trust me.
Can we move on to best practices on how to deal with her? I personally don't like blocking people and I never have nor will I. So other options?
Also, this power struggle stuff? It's not going to go anywhere either. It seems to pop up all the time in little ways. Maybe we need a separate thread on how we can improve the community with Ellie and Y4M participating. Or an AMA with Ellie and Y4M. Something.
Post by Velar Fricative on Dec 4, 2014 17:39:14 GMT -5
Ellie suggested Proboards and Y4M was a big champion of that idea, IIRC. Essentially, they were the first two here (?) so I think it was only natural that they became admins even if they weren't actually elected.
So then, Ellie also is against banning Lys. Mod decision made.
She said herself that lys acted like a troll here.
And agreed with NOT banning her. So what does it matter. Y4M told someone to stop trolling, but didn't actual ban them. Everyone doesn't agree with the decisions they've made, but they've been consistent on not banning.
So really, this has very little to do with Lys. Just a catalyst to try and out a Mod you can admit you have a bias against.
Not at all. I posted on the mod board about lys last night and tagged ellie. I wasn't getting y4m involved.
But you did get y4m involved when you quoted what she said on the moderator's board.
ETA: The way I see it you and she reacted the same way. lys pissed you off and the other poster pissed y4m off. You both indicated you wanted those individuals banned out of anger/irritation.
"Why would you ruin perfectly good peanuts by adding candy corn? That's like saying hey, I have these awesome nachos, guess I better add some dryer lint." - Nonny
Can we move on to best practices on how to deal with her? I personally don't like blocking people and I never have nor will I. So other options?
Also, this power struggle stuff? It's not going to go anywhere either. It seems to pop up all the time in little ways. Maybe we need a separate thread on how we can improve the community with Ellie and Y4M participating. Or an AMA with Ellie and Y4M. Something.
I'm just ignoring. For a long time, that is what I did. The she seemed to turn shit up several notches and I couldn't help "engaging" with her. And then when she actually responded to my post once, the floodgates opened and I couldn't help responding after that for more interaction. Now I don't give a fuck anymore so I'll just scroll past her posts but be on the lookout for any TOS-violating behavior (which I don't think she has violated but she gets reallllllly close sometimes).
Ellie suggested Proboards and Y4M was a big champion of that idea, IIRC. Essentially, they were the first two here (?) so I think it was only natural that they became admins even if they weren't actually elected.
Am I brain-damaged (entirely possible) or did we all not stamp our approval on the mods at some point? Am I suffering from dementia in thinking that?
Post by cattledogkisses on Dec 4, 2014 18:33:06 GMT -5
I find lys pretty easy to ignore, TBH. I've been skipping over her posts without reading them for a long time now. I feel like she always posts in disjointed, poorly punctuated run-on sentences, which makes her droning more taxing to try to decipher than not anyway.
Post by cookiemdough on Dec 4, 2014 18:34:50 GMT -5
I don't think we should have been made aware of what was posted on the Mod board, but lets not pretend Y4M's response wasn't shady. We get it, she dislikes the board but it is not really okay for her to be dismissive of issues brought up in the mod context claiming liberal bias or groupthink. As for all this other back and forth, well I am fine with the mods, and the posters and I am not in favor of any changes. Like I said earlier I don't really care about Lys being banned or not. Mostly because I ignore her inflammatory rhetoric. But if I do one day have an issue with something on this board, I want to feel like it is taken seriously, not looked at like I am some Obama-loving kool-aid drinking drone that can't possibly handle someone with a different viewpoint than myself.
So what it really comes down to is that you want Y4M and Ellie out? Popularity contests for Mods, but not anything else?
Personal preference is to have y4m gone, but she's BEC for me. (FULL DISCLOSURE)
The mods should be people you trust. Not someone who is popular. Fuck knows I'm not popular as I've ruffled too many feathers, but I'd hope you trust me.
What in the hell? Why are you bent up on being a mod? I think that may be more of the issue, maybe?
I don't think we should have been made aware of what was posted on the Mod board, but lets not pretend Y4M's response wasn't shady. We get it, she dislikes the board but it is not really okay for her to be dismissive of issues brought up in the mod context claiming liberal bias or groupthink. As for all this other back and forth, well I am fine with the mods, and the posters and I am not in favor of any changes. Like I said earlier I don't really care about Lys being banned or not. Mostly because I ignore her inflammatory rhetoric. But if I do one day have an issue with something on this board, I want to feel like it is taken seriously, not looked at like I am some Obama-loving kool-aid drinking drone that can't possibly handle someone with a different viewpoint than myself.
Where was this? Pixy has brought up the mod boards in the past. As have many mods. The groupthink was sous, I thought? y4m doesn't care for the drama...I don't think she is dismissive. Not agreeing with just a few people's hope to ban someone is not the same as dismissive (but maybe I missed it in this thread and I keep looking).
ETA: I just saw the 11 page Lys not banned thread. Holy hell. 11 pages? I saw pixy say something about 11 pages and figured it was the Ferguson one.
So really, this has very little to do with Lys. Just a catalyst to try and out a Mod you can admit you have a bias against.
I don't think Pixy has a master plan to be an admin or oust y4m. This is a message board, not Animal Farm.
I think she has been saying in here that she believes y4m has a bias against the board and that's why she won't ban Racialysious. Y4m has been pretty openly contemptuous of us for a while.
While I am at it, I feel pretty resentful about the groupthink jab, y4m, and I feel disrespected that you attribute my commentary on this board to my inability to think critically. I think your remark was disrespectful to many women here.
Regardless, I think the administration of the board is fine even though I disagree with and am disappointed in the decision not to ban lys. I hope that the decision was made by weighing the terms of the board and not by the perception of / attitude toward the board. I appreciate whatever work they do to keep our happy place afloat (and I adore Ellie). At the end of the day, that's what I want the board to be.
I do think Y4M's comment about group think was catty. Should Pixy have shared it? Maybe not. But it certainly indicates that her decision as an admin in this area was at least somewhat influenced by her bias against this board. Had she simply said "lys hasn't violated the TOS" it would have been much simpler.
Likewise I felt the threat to ban Bliss was influenced by the popularity of the posters involved in the coke story.
And I mean everyone has biases and no admin is going to be completely neutral. So that's okay. But let's not act like this admin decision WAS completely neutral.
Let's also not act like Y4M was the be all end all. Both Global Mods were in agreement.
I don't think we should have been made aware of what was posted on the Mod board, but lets not pretend Y4M's response wasn't shady. We get it, she dislikes the board but it is not really okay for her to be dismissive of issues brought up in the mod context claiming liberal bias or groupthink. As for all this other back and forth, well I am fine with the mods, and the posters and I am not in favor of any changes. Like I said earlier I don't really care about Lys being banned or not. Mostly because I ignore her inflammatory rhetoric. But if I do one day have an issue with something on this board, I want to feel like it is taken seriously, not looked at like I am some Obama-loving kool-aid drinking drone that can't possibly handle someone with a different viewpoint than myself.
Where was this? Pixy has brought up the mod boards in the past. As have many mods. The groupthink was sous, I thought? y4m doesn't care for the drama...I don't think she is dismissive. Not agreeing with just a few people's hope to ban someone is not the same as dismissive (but maybe I missed it in this thread and I keep looking).
ETA: I just saw the 11 page Lys not banned thread. Holy hell. 11 pages? I saw pixy say something about 11 pages and figured it was the Ferguson one.
The groupthink part came from what Pixy quoted from Y4M. And I love you Tef, but come on really? Y4M makes no secret of her dislike for the board and the dynamics. She has pretty much chosen the JulieF mode of communication with our board for awhile now. It is hard to reconcile given I have met her and think she is delightful in person, however that is not how she interacts with us on the board. That is fine, not everyone will like it here. But it is one thing to pop in occasionally to express her "aha THIS is why I don't post on this liberal unenlightened board" view in a post, and something else in the mod context when making decisions about how to respond when people bring up concerns.
Someone please ban this racist fucking pig from this board so we never again have to hear her say how black people don't care about voting or the school board.
Black people are to blame for being underrepresented. Fucking brilliant. It is all their fault, man.
NewOrleans, is this the comment where she perpetuated a racist stereotype? This is the closest thing she said to "Blacks don't vote." Also it seems that this is the comment where you lost your shit. To be honest, though, and I can't believe I'm even defending Lys a little bit, it doesn't read as though she is perpetuating a stereotype. Inflammatory? Very. Racist? Not really. Ban-worthy? Absolutely not.
It is one of the moments, yes. Calling people apathetic and lazy? ( I think it will be splitting hairs if someone says "she didn't say those words.")
I was also thinking also of her continual portrayal of blacks as violent. Nelson Mandela employed violence. Black on black violence (omg so much with this one). And Black Panthers just yesterday. Trayvon Martin as a thug suspended from school. Trayvon as big, not a child. It is a racist pattern. And if you really call me to the carpet, I feel strongly enough about it that I will dig up links.
Eta: I see there is another " but the black panthers tho" again today from her.
Where was this? Pixy has brought up the mod boards in the past. As have many mods. The groupthink was sous, I thought? y4m doesn't care for the drama...I don't think she is dismissive. Not agreeing with just a few people's hope to ban someone is not the same as dismissive (but maybe I missed it in this thread and I keep looking).
ETA: I just saw the 11 page Lys not banned thread. Holy hell. 11 pages? I saw pixy say something about 11 pages and figured it was the Ferguson one.
The groupthink part came from what Pixy quoted from Y4M. And I love you Tef, but come on really? Y4M makes no secret of her dislike for the board and the dynamics. She has pretty much chosen the JulieF mode of communication with our board for awhile now. It is hard to reconcile given I have met her and think she is delightful in person, however that is not how she interacts with us on the board. That is fine, not everyone will like it here. But it is one thing to pop in occasionally to express her "aha THIS is why I don't post on this liberal unenlightened board" view in a post, and something else in the mod context when making decisions about how to respond when people bring up concerns.
Thank you (i did clarify that i missed the whole Lys ban/not ban thread .
I see y4m differently. I think the groupthink comes from being 95/5 liberal. Is it fair? Probably not, but I don't think it is any different than when some posters say circle jerk or whatever. I have no dog in this fight at all, but I do think it is a fair call on pixy on what the end game is here. Lys is not new. We didn't ban emmy for her evil diatribe towards so many so I can't see why Lys is different. Isn't julieF back on the board with Oscars or something? I don't even know. (I realize I am all over the place here, but I am still confused as to what she really did outside of spouting the other side of an argument on Brown? I don't care for her, but others have said much, much worse in terms of things like things not being about rape, or what have you....if that makes any sense. I had a glass of wine so whatever).
NewOrleans, is this the comment where she perpetuated a racist stereotype? This is the closest thing she said to "Blacks don't vote." Also it seems that this is the comment where you lost your shit. To be honest, though, and I can't believe I'm even defending Lys a little bit, it doesn't read as though she is perpetuating a stereotype. Inflammatory? Very. Racist? Not really. Ban-worthy? Absolutely not.
It is one of the moments, yes. Calling people apathetic and lazy? ( I think it will be splitting hairs if someone says "she didn't say those words.")
I was also thinking also of her continual portrayal of blacks as violent. Nelson Mandela employed violence. Black on black violence (omg so much with this one). And Black Panthers just yesterday. Trayvon Martin as a thug suspended from school. Trayvon as big, not a child. It is a racist pattern. And if you really call me to the carpet, I feel strongly enough about it that I will dig up links.
Nah. I get it. I can see where people are coming from. I agree she's a racist buggering troll (I hope I don't get banned for that.) I've just ignored her for so long, I didn't realize her past bullshit.
Post by cookiemdough on Dec 4, 2014 19:27:11 GMT -5
Yeah, like I said in the other thread I don't really care about what Lys posts. I am not calling for her banning. I will reiterate that I am fine with the admins and the mods. But just as I don't think Pixy should have posted Y4M's comments, I don't think Y4Ms comments had a place in that context. Everyone is wrong in this situation...except for me of course. I have had an absolutely delightful day of posting lol.