Jackie contradicted an earlier interview, saying on Thursday that she did not know if her main attacker actually was a member of Phi Kappa Psi.
“He never said he was in Phi Psi,” she said, while noting that she was positive that the date function and attack occurred at the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity house on Sept. 28, 2012. “I know it was Phi Psi because a year afterward my friend pointed out the building to me and said that’s where it happened.”
I thought that in the RS article, she never said that "Drew" was in the frat, that they were just going to a party at the frat. IDK, she asked for them not to run the story. This is totally on RS.
Wait, what? She didn't know where she was until her friend told her? Drew invited her to a date function but wasn't in the frat? That's not how date functions work. Now I'm completely confused.
If this is seriously as simple a mistake as her friend confused Phi Psi for Phi Kap then I feel REALLY bad for the guys in Phi Psi. That's a pretty big fucking mistake to make.
I am probably wrong and am remembering incorrectly. And I was not involved in the greek system so I don't know how these "date" functions work. I just know about going to regular parties.
Maybe it's just because I follow people who generally aren't assholes, but my Twitter feed is really ripping RS for myriad journalistic failures rather than going after the easy "lying rape accuser" zingers.
It seems like RS really failed to do any fact checking here. You don't have to contact the alleged attackers to determine some basic facts about the story and if they match up.
Maybe it's as simple as her having the wrong frat name. Maybe there's something more going on. It seems like something was going on with her though around the time she claims this happened, so who knows where on the spectrum the truth falls (mixed up names or something much worse).
I'm far more forgiving of her than RS though. They owed it to everyone to do a much better job and they didn't.
Also it seems like it would be relatively easy to run a list of the frats (all of them), the aquatic center, the anthropology class and maybe a few other details and see what you come up with as far as cross over. You could even maybe narrow down the frat list by location.
That said, what I really want to know is if the reaction of her friends as stated in the article was true. Because that is one element that really painted a horrible picture of the attitude towards rape at UVA.
Jackie contradicted an earlier interview, saying on Thursday that she did not know if her main attacker actually was a member of Phi Kappa Psi.
“He never said he was in Phi Psi,” she said, while noting that she was positive that the date function and attack occurred at the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity house on Sept. 28, 2012. “I know it was Phi Psi because a year afterward my friend pointed out the building to me and said that’s where it happened.”
I thought that in the RS article, she never said that "Drew" was in the frat, that they were just going to a party at the frat. IDK, she asked for them not to run the story. This is totally on RS.
Wait, what? She didn't know where she was until her friend told her? Drew invited her to a date function but wasn't in the frat? That's not how date functions work. Now I'm completely confused.
If this is seriously as simple a mistake as her friend confused Phi Psi for Phi Kap then I feel REALLY bad for the guys in Phi Psi. That's a pretty big fucking mistake to make.
Yeah, I'm wondering this as well. The guy mentioned in the wapo article sounds like the guy to me.
In addition to the concerns generally, I cannot believe how horribly this will impact women at that school who are raped. Leaving aside whether the issue is details about the story vs. total fabrication--now anyone else in that same community who is unfortunate enough to be raped will have that much more trouble being believed. Because it is happening, there and at all college campuses, and those victims should be loved and trusted and fought for.
Well, I'm displeased. I do hope that the university doesn't use this as an excuse to back down on rape-prevention efforts. I fully plan to continue to hold their feet to the fire because the fact remains that rape is a problem on college campuses and as I've said here before, I expect better. I expect better for all young women, but I also expect better from a school that values honor above all else (and I'm NOT being facetious. Honor really is a BFD at UVA and most students and alumni take it very seriously. It's kind of our thing. The school still appears to have acted dishonorably and has not done enough to prevent, address, and prosecute rapes and that's not ok, regardless of this story.)
I will admit I had wondered all along if it DID happen, but at a different fraternity. I was kind of surprised that the story named the specific frat. I have also admitted here that as hard as it is to stomach, the description of the frat in the story and their attitudes did ring true for me for some frats on grounds, just not that one, which is why I was so stunned.
Just as an aside on about how much of a BFD the honor code is--my brother (went to UVA fro undergrad, was raised by UVA grads that basically raised us to live life by their honor code) got a job as a professor at an Ivy League school (his dream job). His second year, he turned in a group of students for cheating--the school did nothing, told him to just drop it. He quit over it and went to a much smaller school that actually enforced the honor code.
Wait, what? She didn't know where she was until her friend told her? Drew invited her to a date function but wasn't in the frat? That's not how date functions work. Now I'm completely confused.
If this is seriously as simple a mistake as her friend confused Phi Psi for Phi Kap then I feel REALLY bad for the guys in Phi Psi. That's a pretty big fucking mistake to make.
I am probably wrong and am remembering incorrectly. And I was not involved in the greek system so I don't know how these "date" functions work. I just know about going to regular parties.
Date functions are official events that are member and date only. Usually 1 big one each semester. Getting asked is a pretty big deal at most schools because it's a closed event. Unlike house parties where it's a anyone is welcome.
There are investigative journalists at Rolling Stone. Matt Taibbi? But this story was a failure on the part of the journalist AND the editorial staff.
i thought he left a year ago?
AFAIK he still contributes. But regardless, that was more in response to icap's statement that RS should leave hard hitting investigative journalism to the real investigative journalists. RS has a lengthy tradition of important cultural stories based on investigative journalism.
AFAIK he still contributes. But regardless, that was more in response to icap's statement that RS should leave hard hitting investigative journalism to the real investigative journalists. RS has a lengthy tradition of important cultural stories based on investigative journalism.
i mentioned it because i thought he was the last of the "good" journalists there and the rest were, well, kind of hacks.
I'm just upset by the lack of fact-checking. If RS had verified their facts, they could have gone back to Jackie and asked if she was sure of the fraternity/night/etc. I truly believe something awful happened to her, but incorrectly reporting it helped absolutely no one.
AFAIK he still contributes. But regardless, that was more in response to icap's statement that RS should leave hard hitting investigative journalism to the real investigative journalists. RS has a lengthy tradition of important cultural stories based on investigative journalism.
i mentioned it because i thought he was the last of the "good" journalists there and the rest were, well, kind of hacks.
Could be. I don't know anything about Sabrina Rubin Erdely except that clearly, she sucks.
The misogynists are so high-fiving each other right now.
You know who I am seeing behave just as badly? Mothers of boys. I feel as though I'm getting some insight as to why some men are raised to be misogynistic douchebags, and it's disturbing.
Post by marriedfilingjoint on Dec 5, 2014 16:49:32 GMT -5
I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Jackie yet. I still want to believe that the RS author took her "I think ..." and printed it as fact. Jackie said she felt like she had no control and didn't want it to go to print. I couldn't tell you what the date of my rape was 2 years later. Something bad obviously did happen to her even if Drew from Phi Psi wasn't the culprit.
RS consistently puts out real examples of investigative reporting. They are still investing in actual journalism and reporting when most publications are slimming back in favor of shorter pieces. (Anyone see the hoopla this morning regarding The New Republic?)
It makes me sad, and angry, that they would make a fuck-up this big. It seems so avoidable.
yes, this was my whole thought....I just can't dive into the rape allegation aspects right now, but I'm disappointed in RS b/c I respected their journalism a lot and am sad they allowed this to happen.
yea TNR stuff is nuts! Fallout of the new media....
So help me god, if UVA's reaction to this is anything other than "regardless of the recent statements from RS and the WaPo we remain committed to fully investigating and handling every report of sexual assault involving our students and to reevaluating our guidelines for punishment, up to and including potential immediate expulsion for perpetrators" I WILL BURN SOME SHIT DOWN.
I have read every post about this issue, but I wasn't participating much because work got in the way. I'm having a lighter day at the office and have a lot of built up anger and things to say.
Helen Dragas's statement:
Helen Dragas, a member of the university’s governing Board of Visitors, said Friday that U-Va. needs to continue its focus on preventing sexual assault.
“Despite doubts that have been cast on the Rolling Stone story, we need to keep our eyes on the prize, which is nothing less than zero tolerance for rape,” Dragas said. “There will be time enough to look back and ask hard questions of our administrators about how rapes have gone unreported and unanswered, and I have no doubt our Board of Visitors will do just that. But for now our primary concern must be for the well-being of our students. We need to get this right for them, and do so with no hesitation or concern for image.”
I am so so upset. Such a setback. Shame on RS. So many people will be telling me I told you so. Fact is this does happen. I assure at least one person will get raped/assaulted this weekend by frat guys especially now that they will feel even more untouchable. Way to give them more power RS. I am so furious because this does happen so so often at UVA and elsewhere and now no one will believe the victims. Change must happen regardless of whether there where inaccuracies in the RS story.
I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Jackie yet. I still want to believe that the RS author took her "I think ..." and printed it as fact. Jackie said she felt like she had no control and didn't want it to go to print. I couldn't tell you what the date of my rape was 2 years later. Something bad obviously did happen to her even if Drew from Phi Psi wasn't the culprit.
I want to believe Jackie, but being so specific hurt many people involved. This frat had their house vandalized. They lost their charter with the national frat. I'm sure it's members have been through hell the last few weeks.
I wish she would have just not specified a frat. She put this frat in the trigger hairs of so much hatred.
I fully believe something terrible happened to her. But these are serious accusations to make and RS FUCKED up royally for putting it in print. Jackie holds some blame in this situation while RS holds the majority of it.
I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Jackie yet. I still want to believe that the RS author took her "I think ..." and printed it as fact. Jackie said she felt like she had no control and didn't want it to go to print. I couldn't tell you what the date of my rape was 2 years later. Something bad obviously did happen to her even if Drew from Phi Psi wasn't the culprit.
I want to believe Jackie, but being so specific hurt many people involved. This frat had their house vandalized. They lost their charter with the national frat. I'm sure it's members have been through hell the last few weeks.
I wish she would have just not specified a frat. She put this frat in the trigger hairs of so much hatred.
I fully believe something terrible happened to her. But these are serious accusations to make and RS FUCKED up royally for putting it in print. Jackie holds some blame in this situation while RS holds the majority of it.
I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Jackie yet. I still want to believe that the RS author took her "I think ..." and printed it as fact. Jackie said she felt like she had no control and didn't want it to go to print. I couldn't tell you what the date of my rape was 2 years later. Something bad obviously did happen to her even if Drew from Phi Psi wasn't the culprit.
Well, for clarity's sake, it sounds like Drew may well have been the culprit.... but he wasn't in Phi Psi so basically all the guys in that house appear to have been falsely maligned.
There's still a good chance that another frat house on grounds has rapey rapists in it, and if so, I hope they rout them out ASAP. I'm assuming since they know who "Drew" is now that it would not be that hard to figure out which frat he is actually in...
I want to know if the guy the wapo talked to who claimed to not know Jackie at all was in a frat. And then I want to know if that frat house meets the description in the original article, and if they had a date party that weekend.
I will throw out there that UVA has alumni in powerful places and it is possible that they are behind RS changing its position. Money talks.. Just a possibility.