Good article. Even though we are/were "employed" by the NFL, each specific team had their own set of rules and bylaws.
In MN we were never treated like a piece of meat. In the article it mentions having to jump around to see if anything wiggles. That is ridiculous. I never experienced anything like that. The pay was pennies, but that is not why women do this.
But then again, some people think that when you are a professional cheerleader, this makes you stupid so you deserve what you get.
Good article. Even though we are/were "employed" by the NFL, each specific team had their own set of rules and bylaws.
In MN we were never treated like a piece of meat. In the article it mentions having to jump around to see if anything wiggles. That is ridiculous. I never experienced anything like that. The pay was pennies, but that is not why women do this.
But then again, some people think that when you are a professional cheerleader, this makes you stupid so you deserve what you get.
Let's not put words in my mouth, ok? I take massive issue with the NFL and the way cheerleaders are compensated. That's also why I take issue with privileged little shits like you who willingly accept a job that pays you less than minimum wage because you can make it work not really getting paid. When you do that you contribute to the perpetuation of a system that takes advantage of women and more specifically uses their bodies as a commodity that they're never really compensated for.
But hey, it's all good, you were just having the funtimes, you don't need a job for money, so why would anyone else?
Good article. Even though we are/were "employed" by the NFL, each specific team had their own set of rules and bylaws.
In MN we were never treated like a piece of meat. In the article it mentions having to jump around to see if anything wiggles. That is ridiculous. I never experienced anything like that. The pay was pennies, but that is not why women do this.
But then again, some people think that when you are a professional cheerleader, this makes you stupid so you deserve what you get.
Let's not put words in my mouth, ok? I take massive issue with the NFL and the way cheerleaders are compensated. That's also why I take issue with privileged little shits like you who willingly accept a job that pays you less than minimum wage because you can make it work not really getting paid. When you do that you contribute to the perpetuation of a system that takes advantage of women and more specifically uses their bodies as a commodity that they're never really compensated for.
But hey, it's all good, you were just having the funtimes, you don't need a job for money, so why would anyone else?
This is totally uncalled for, I don't know or understand why you are personally attacking spindle92. I understand your beef with the issue, but personal attacks are not necessary and pretty $hitty IMO.
Good article. Even though we are/were "employed" by the NFL, each specific team had their own set of rules and bylaws.
In MN we were never treated like a piece of meat. In the article it mentions having to jump around to see if anything wiggles. That is ridiculous. I never experienced anything like that. The pay was pennies, but that is not why women do this.
But then again, some people think that when you are a professional cheerleader, this makes you stupid so you deserve what you get.
Let's not put words in my mouth, ok? I take massive issue with the NFL and the way cheerleaders are compensated. That's also why I take issue with privileged little shits like you who willingly accept a job that pays you less than minimum wage because you can make it work not really getting paid. When you do that you contribute to the perpetuation of a system that takes advantage of women and more specifically uses their bodies as a commodity that they're never really compensated for.
But hey, it's all good, you were just having the funtimes, you don't need a job for money, so why would anyone else?
How the hell am I a "privileged little shit". Please explain, I would love to hear this.
Let's not put words in my mouth, ok? I take massive issue with the NFL and the way cheerleaders are compensated. That's also why I take issue with privileged little shits like you who willingly accept a job that pays you less than minimum wage because you can make it work not really getting paid. When you do that you contribute to the perpetuation of a system that takes advantage of women and more specifically uses their bodies as a commodity that they're never really compensated for.
But hey, it's all good, you were just having the funtimes, you don't need a job for money, so why would anyone else?
This is totally uncalled for, I don't know or understand why you are personally attacking spindle92. I understand your beef with the issue, but personal attacks are not necessary and pretty $hitty IMO.
As was her comment about me. I would much rather be called a little shit than have someone suggest I think people deserve to work without pay for whatever reason.
Yet again, I would have said zero words to spindle if she didn't chose to come at me first
This is totally uncalled for, I don't know or understand why you are personally attacking spindle92. I understand your beef with the issue, but personal attacks are not necessary and pretty $hitty IMO.
As was her comment about me. I would much rather be called a little shit than have someone suggest I think people deserve to work without pay for whatever reason.
Yet again, I would have said zero words to spindle if she didn't chose to come at me first
You have a very short memory because YOU came after me first on fb.
This is totally uncalled for, I don't know or understand why you are personally attacking spindle92. I understand your beef with the issue, but personal attacks are not necessary and pretty $hitty IMO.
x2.
Also, do you take issue with everyone who is underemployed? Plenty of people just work for funsies.
No, I take issue with people who work for less than minimum wage because they have the means to not care about a paycheck. Completely, different things.
This is totally uncalled for, I don't know or understand why you are personally attacking spindle92. I understand your beef with the issue, but personal attacks are not necessary and pretty $hitty IMO.
As was her comment about me. I would much rather be called a little shit than have someone suggest I think people deserve to work without pay for whatever reason.
Yet again, I would have said zero words to spindle if she didn't chose to come at me first
This is totally uncalled for, I don't know or understand why you are personally attacking spindle92. I understand your beef with the issue, but personal attacks are not necessary and pretty $hitty IMO.
As was her comment about me. I would much rather be called a little shit than have someone suggest I think people deserve to work without pay for whatever reason.
Yet again, I would have said zero words to spindle if she didn't chose to come at me first
I don't see anything in her post commenting on you. And I agree with doglove. Overreaction much?
Also, do you take issue with everyone who is underemployed? Plenty of people just work for funsies.
No, I take issue with people who work for less than minimum wage because they have the means to not care about a paycheck. Completely, different things.
Are you aware that I, along with every other professional cheerleader on my team, worked full time???
As was her comment about me. I would much rather be called a little shit than have someone suggest I think people deserve to work without pay for whatever reason.
Yet again, I would have said zero words to spindle if she didn't chose to come at me first
You have a very short memory because YOU came after me first on fb.
Actually, no, I made a comment about someone else and you came at me in. That person could and still very much can speak to me themselves if there's anything to clear up. You keep starting shit with me and then act shocked when I'm an asshole back. I am a raging bitch when provoked, but I didn't know you from a hole in the wall when you came at me on FB and never would have had a damn thing to say about you if you hadn't tried to get in my face.
You have a very short memory because YOU came after me first on fb.
Actually, no, I made a comment about someone else and you came at me in. That person could and still very much can speak to me themselves if there's anything to clear up. You keep starting shit with me and then act shocked when I'm an asshole back. I am a raging bitch when provoked, but I didn't know you from a hole in the wall when you came at me on FB and never would have had a damn thing to say about you if you hadn't tried to get in my face.
Excuse me, you specifically told me to fuck off and then proceed to call me names and question my intelligence because I was a former cheerleader.
This started because YOU put words in mags mouth about vaccines and I clarified that she did not say that.
Also, do you take issue with everyone who is underemployed? Plenty of people just work for funsies.
No, I take issue with people who work for less than minimum wage because they have the means to not care about a paycheck. Completely, different things.
How do you know that they don't have other jobs? I knew a NFL cheerleader and her gig was her side job. She worked another job to support herself. She did cheerleading because she enjoyed it.
Good article. Even though we are/were "employed" by the NFL, each specific team had their own set of rules and bylaws.
In MN we were never treated like a piece of meat. In the article it mentions having to jump around to see if anything wiggles. That is ridiculous. I never experienced anything like that. The pay was pennies, but that is not why women do this.
But then again, some people think that when you are a professional cheerleader, this makes you stupid so you deserve what you get.
Let's not put words in my mouth, ok? I take massive issue with the NFL and the way cheerleaders are compensated. That's also why I take issue with privileged little shits like you who willingly accept a job that pays you less than minimum wage because you can make it work not really getting paid. When you do that you contribute to the perpetuation of a system that takes advantage of women and more specifically uses their bodies as a commodity that they're never really compensated for.
But hey, it's all good, you were just having the funtimes, you don't need a job for money, so why would anyone else?
Whoa! I don't get this at all. Granted, I haven't been around add long as many of you guys, and they're may be more back story than what I've seen. But I've never gotten the impression that spindle was "entitled" at all.
Lots of people make the decision to take a lower paying position because they would enjoy it more, myself included. I could get paid more if I left, but I don't because I'm happy here. They stress me out and I complain sometimes, but this is where I am happy. It doesn't mean that I'm selling myself short. I'm making a conscious decision based on my wants and needs to maintain my happiness.
I don't understand why this is such a sore spot for you.
Personal attacks aren't going to get anyone anywhere. They're just crappy whether you know someone or don't know them. You can fight fair and still get your point across - no matter what you are trying to say.
I have the strangest sense of deja vu right now...I swear this isn't the first time pinksquirrel has rolled in her blasting people, but I can't quite grasp the memory...
I have the strangest sense of deja vu right now...I swear this isn't the first time pinksquirrel has rolled in her blasting people, but I can't quite grasp the memory...
You are right. A few months back mags made a post about the getting the flu shot and pink squirrel did this exact same stuff.
No, I take issue with people who work for less than minimum wage because they have the means to not care about a paycheck. Completely, different things.
How do you know that they don't have other jobs? I knew a NFL cheerleader and her gig was her side job. She worked another job to support herself. She did cheerleading because she enjoyed it.
Right, but her taking that cheerleading job for less than minimum wage means that the system can continue because there are people willing to do it for free.
How do you know that they don't have other jobs? I knew a NFL cheerleader and her gig was her side job. She worked another job to support herself. She did cheerleading because she enjoyed it.
Right, but her taking that cheerleading job for less than minimum wage means that the system can continue because there are people willing to do it for free.
But if people are aware they are working for less than minimum wage, and do it simply because they enjoy it, it is their choice. Why does this affect you? If you don't want to be a NFL cheerleader for less than minimum wage, don't become one.
Do you have issue with free plays that people put on in the park? Because hey, they are putting Broadway out of business. Everyone should have to pay for a ticket!
Right, but her taking that cheerleading job for less than minimum wage means that the system can continue because there are people willing to do it for free.
But if people are aware they are working for less than minimum wage, and do it simply because they enjoy it, it is their choice. Why does this affect you? If you don't want to be a NFL cheerleader for less than minimum wage, don't become one.
Do you have issue with free plays that people put on in the park? Because hey, they are putting Broadway out of business. Everyone should have to pay for a ticket!
Or bands that play for free in the local coffee shops?
Actually, no, I made a comment about someone else and you came at me in. That person could and still very much can speak to me themselves if there's anything to clear up. You keep starting shit with me and then act shocked when I'm an asshole back. I am a raging bitch when provoked, but I didn't know you from a hole in the wall when you came at me on FB and never would have had a damn thing to say about you if you hadn't tried to get in my face.
Excuse me, you specifically told me to fuck off and then proceed to call me names and question my intelligence because I was a former cheerleader.
This started because YOU put words in mags mouth about vaccines and I clarified that she did not say that.
I actually didn't put words in mags mouth. Mags responded to me at least three times in that stupid vaccine thread without saying that my understanding of what she was saying was wrong. The only thing mags has ever corrected me on was that she is not actively trying to encourage others to do the same thing she does. If mags feels differently she had multiple opportunities to correct me and she didn't. You tried to come in light her knight in shining armor and get involved in something that had nothing to do with you. I had made the comment on FB assuming mags would see it, would come in, would have yet another opportunity to tell me I misunderstood her and we'd move on. Instead, you got yourself in the middle of something that had nothing to do with you so yes, I told you to fuck off and wasn't nice.
Excuse me, you specifically told me to fuck off and then proceed to call me names and question my intelligence because I was a former cheerleader.
This started because YOU put words in mags mouth about vaccines and I clarified that she did not say that.
I actually didn't put words in mags mouth. Mags responded to me at least three times in that stupid vaccine thread without saying that my understanding of what she was saying was wrong. The only thing mags has ever corrected me on was that she is not actively trying to encourage others to do the same thing she does. If mags feels differently she had multiple opportunities to correct me and she didn't. You tried to come in light her knight in shining armor and get involved in something that had nothing to do with you. I had made the comment on FB assuming mags would see it, would come in, would have yet another opportunity to tell me I misunderstood her and we'd move on. Instead, you got yourself in the middle of something that had nothing to do with you so yes, I told you to fuck off and wasn't nice.
So this makes it okay to personally attack her? This is really messed up.
Right, but her taking that cheerleading job for less than minimum wage means that the system can continue because there are people willing to do it for free.
But if people are aware they are working for less than minimum wage, and do it simply because they enjoy it, it is their choice. Why does this affect you? If you don't want to be a NFL cheerleader for less than minimum wage, don't become one.
Do you have issue with free plays that people put on in the park? Because hey, they are putting Broadway out of business. Everyone should have to pay for a ticket!
It doesn't affect me because I too am a privileged little shit who can afford to work for free on the side if I so choose. The problem is that when a job legally should be paying someone min wage, but they can get away with not paying min wage, the owner of said business is going to learn that they can get away without paying people min wage and will only hire people that will work under the system that isn't fully paying. That then removes a job from the job market for people who actual do need to be paid for every hour that they work
I actually didn't put words in mags mouth. Mags responded to me at least three times in that stupid vaccine thread without saying that my understanding of what she was saying was wrong. The only thing mags has ever corrected me on was that she is not actively trying to encourage others to do the same thing she does. If mags feels differently she had multiple opportunities to correct me and she didn't. You tried to come in light her knight in shining armor and get involved in something that had nothing to do with you. I had made the comment on FB assuming mags would see it, would come in, would have yet another opportunity to tell me I misunderstood her and we'd move on. Instead, you got yourself in the middle of something that had nothing to do with you so yes, I told you to fuck off and wasn't nice.
So this makes it okay to personally attack her? This is really messed up.
I'm not even sure what you're talking about. I said on FB that I made a low blow, apologized and owned up to it. She is the one who chose to bring it back up in this thread and take a jab at me. I haven't brought it or her up again and have no intention to unless I'm brought up.
But if people are aware they are working for less than minimum wage, and do it simply because they enjoy it, it is their choice. Why does this affect you? If you don't want to be a NFL cheerleader for less than minimum wage, don't become one.
Do you have issue with free plays that people put on in the park? Because hey, they are putting Broadway out of business. Everyone should have to pay for a ticket!
It doesn't affect me because I too am a privileged little shit who can afford to work for free on the side if I so choose. The problem is that when a job legally should be paying someone min wage, but they can get away with not paying min wage, the owner of said business is going to learn that they can get away without paying people min wage and will only hire people that will work under the system that isn't fully paying. That then removes a job from the job market for people who actual do need to be paid for every hour that they work
Correct, but there are plenty of jobs out there that WILL pay you for every hour you work. I can't tell you how many stores, restaurants, etc. that I frequent that have help wanted signs. No one is saying that you HAVE to take a job that won't pay. It boils down to choice.
Should I start telling my boss I want 4 million dollars a year because that is what Joe Star basketball player makes? Or should non-profits go out of "business" because they have to start paying their volunteers?
So this makes it okay to personally attack her? This is really messed up.
I'm not even sure what you're talking about. I said on FB that I made a low blow, apologized and owned up to it. She is the one who chose to bring it back up in this thread and take a jab at me. I haven't brought it or her up again and have no intention to unless I'm brought up.
How was she taking a jab at you? She didn't say "some idiots say blah blah blah". She said some people. You are a person, yes? And you called her stupid, correct?
Honestly, I just don't get how you see Spindle took a jab at you. She didn't say your name specifically, she didn't name call, she didn't insult you. If anything, she was quoting what you said about her, which was that she was stupid.
ETA: again, you started the name calling. Which is what you did last time. And you apologized for that and said you were wrong. How can you not see that this is the same thing?
So this makes it okay to personally attack her? This is really messed up.
I'm not even sure what you're talking about. I said on FB that I made a low blow, apologized and owned up to it. She is the one who chose to bring it back up in this thread and take a jab at me. I haven't brought it or her up again and have no intention to unless I'm brought up.
I still don't see where she brought it up in this thread or where she took a jab at you.
Excuse me, you specifically told me to fuck off and then proceed to call me names and question my intelligence because I was a former cheerleader.
This started because YOU put words in mags mouth about vaccines and I clarified that she did not say that.
I actually didn't put words in mags mouth. Mags responded to me at least three times in that stupid vaccine thread without saying that my understanding of what she was saying was wrong. The only thing mags has ever corrected me on was that she is not actively trying to encourage others to do the same thing she does. If mags feels differently she had multiple opportunities to correct me and she didn't. You tried to come in light her knight in shining armor and get involved in something that had nothing to do with you. I had made the comment on FB assuming mags would see it, would come in, would have yet another opportunity to tell me I misunderstood her and we'd move on. Instead, you got yourself in the middle of something that had nothing to do with you so yes, I told you to fuck off and wasn't nice.
Mags didn't correct you because she didn't owe you an explanation. Funny how you accused Spindle of putting words in your mouth, but you DID the exact same thing to me. I think you used the word "implied." I would not give you the satisfaction of giving you anything after you came in here guns blazing.
You knew very well I wasn't part of the FB page, so how would I see it?
I'm glad I had a friend who defended me. She had my back because she knew I wouldn't see it. I would hope your friends would do the same for you if they heard people talking shit behind your back.
She knew and understood what I meant and tried to tell you one more time. That's what good friends do for each other.I certainly wasn't going to keep the conversation going with you because you insisted you knew what I meant.
I don't think anyone called you names, or cursed at you. I think you started that ball rolling, and I still haven't seen anyone one use derogatory names directed at you. You didn't just tell her to fuck off, you got hit below the belt with the cheerleading thing. There is a big difference and you know it.
It doesn't affect me because I too am a privileged little shit who can afford to work for free on the side if I so choose. The problem is that when a job legally should be paying someone min wage, but they can get away with not paying min wage, the owner of said business is going to learn that they can get away without paying people min wage and will only hire people that will work under the system that isn't fully paying. That then removes a job from the job market for people who actual do need to be paid for every hour that they work
Correct, but there are plenty of jobs out there that WILL pay you for every hour you work. I can't tell you how many stores, restaurants, etc. that I frequent that have help wanted signs. No one is saying that you HAVE to take a job that won't pay. It boils down to choice.
Should I start telling my boss I want 4 million dollars a year because that is what Joe Star basketball player makes? Or should non-profits go out of "business" because they have to start paying their volunteers?
LOL so because there are help wanted signs around you, no one is having trouble getting work? That's why the unemployment rate is 0? Oh wait, no, it's not because it's not as simple as if you want a paying job just find one that pays. That's not exactly how it works. It is not that easy for everyone and just because you feel it would be easy for you does not mean that every single other person out there has your same life experience. Legally, an employee is entitled to a minimum compensation, that doesn't mean they want 4 million dollars and it is fucking disgusting to suggest that people who expect to be paid minimum wage for hours worked is asking for 4 million because someone else got it.