Post by peppermint on Jan 28, 2015 14:31:32 GMT -5
@pdx18 i wonder the same thing - since i love "friends" i always assume that that's exactly what guys did back in the 90's - they saw a girl, approached her, and asked her out, a la joey tribiani. i think most of us on this board can attest that this doesn't happen that much today.
i've had friends get married to people they met on match or other online dating websites. at the same time, a few of my friends (myself included) have gone on a handful of dates with guys we met online and nothing has ever come of it. i think part of this speaks to what you or someone else said before - people think there's something better on tinder so they keep looking. it's a terrible culture to date in.
i also think because tinder and match and all these dating sites are always there, as soon as anyone sees anything that they may not like in someone else, they next them. or maybe that's just me being cynical.
Post by Wrath0fKuus on Jan 28, 2015 14:33:44 GMT -5
I am just highly skeptical of a guy lying about his age in such a way that he'd likely get younger matches than if he were honest. What's his problem with women his own age, you know? Because you can see on this board that it's not like women are all dating younger men.
peppermint my problem with online dating is I can go on a ton of dates and meet people but to what end? I know very few people who have actually had successful relationships through it beyond maybe a 2-3 month relationship. And I know a ton of people who have been doing it for years. I honestly wonder what it was like to date back in the early 90s or 80s. Did people find people easier? Were they more social? Did men really just ask you out for dinner like in the movies?
I've never online dated. I rarely dated, really. I think online dating is more replacing the bar scene where guys go online to hook up rather than the bar.
H did ask me to "meet him for drinks" and I had a few other guys invite me out to dinner. Most guys just wanted to go to their place after the bar, though. LOL.
I do get hit on still sometimes when out because I dress slutty and dance like a stripper. Buuuut, none of those guys are guys I would want to actually date. I don't know where you meet people you may want to actually date.
@pdx18 i wonder the same thing - since i love "friends" i always assume that that's exactly what guys did back in the 90's - they saw a girl, approached her, and asked her out, a la joey tribiani. i think most of us on this board can attest that this doesn't happen that much today.
i've had friends get married to people they met on match or other online dating websites. at the same time, a few of my friends (myself included) have gone on a handful of dates with guys we met online and nothing has ever come of it. i think part of this speaks to what you or someone else said before - people think there's something better on tinder so they keep looking. it's a terrible culture to date in.
i also think because tinder and match and all these dating sites are always there, as soon as anyone sees anything that they may not like in someone else, they next them. or maybe that's just me being cynical.
Nope this is exactly the case to the bolded. I've met two men who told me, I really like you, but I feel like I need to give myself a chance to really see what's out there (we'd been on two or three dates). Code: "you're okay, but I saw some hotter chicks online and I don't want to settle for mediocre you." Which cool, you're just not that into me. Which is odd because you had made every move and made a huge effort to see me a few more times, then when I wasn't available one weekend, suddenly you need to seek out other ladies. Anyways
I really do wonder if men (and women) didn't know that there were literally thousands of potentials just a click away if we all wouldn't be more in the moment with someone and not next them for any little thing. I also think we would be more excited about meeting someone instead of being so focus on the well you meet 8 out of 10 or my criteria and I like you a lot, but this guy who just messaged me meets 9, so I definitely have to go out with him first. There is a fear of settling when you might not actually be doing so you know?
peppermint my problem with online dating is I can go on a ton of dates and meet people but to what end? I know very few people who have actually had successful relationships through it beyond maybe a 2-3 month relationship. And I know a ton of people who have been doing it for years. I honestly wonder what it was like to date back in the early 90s or 80s. Did people find people easier? Were they more social? Did men really just ask you out for dinner like in the movies?
I've never online dated. I rarely dated, really. I think online dating is more replacing the bar scene where guys go online to hook up rather than the bar.
H did ask me to "meet him for drinks" and I had a few other guys invite me out to dinner. Most guys just wanted to go to their place after the bar, though. LOL.
I do get hit on still sometimes when out because I dress slutty and dance like a stripper. Buuuut, none of those guys are guys I would want to actually date. I don't know where you meet people you may want to actually date.
I think that's the case for a lot of online daters, but I do think a lot of people are seeking an actual relationship. I honestly have no idea where I would meet people I actually wanted to date either. It's a conundrum and one I got tired of. So just not trying to date has been an easy fix. And honestly I'm SO much happier than when I was always chasing a relationship
Post by peppermint on Jan 28, 2015 14:45:50 GMT -5
@pdx18 i completely agree, esp with this part you said above -
There is a fear of settling when you might not actually be doing so you know?
And I'll admit, even I think that way sometimes. Part of that may be my own issue post-divorce - not wanting to ignore any red flags or overlook things. But I'm sure part of it is too that if he doesn't check all the boxes I guess back to Tinder I go, ya know?
I don't disagree with you either mp I don't think lying is the solution. But I just think this is a symptom of how online dating is totally fucking up society. And honestly getting out and meeting people doesn't seem to be all that effective these days for me. I'm super social, go to tons of networking/industry events, have lots of friends I've asked to set me up if they have anyone. And nothing. I do see a lot people out flipping through their tinder and not even bothering to look up at what's around them. And when they do see what is front of them, they know there is someone hotter on tinder so why not just go with that. Dating culture is pretty fucked right now I think or I'm just a total pariah, which I'm not discounting could be the case here.
I feel the same way! I'm definitely not as social as you being a single mom, but I do have a lot of friends that could fix me up with someone if they wanted it. And I left my XH in October 2009, I've been asked out by FOUR guys that I didn't meet online - if you don't count the crazy drunk guy at the gas station! FOUR! In 5 1/2 years! I will say the guy I dated the longest I did not meet online. So I don't know what that all means! My BFF at work is 22 and really pretty and she broke up with her bf in May and she's been asked out one time. I think guys are getting lazy b/c all they have to do is go online these days.
peppermint oh I'm sure I do it too. I think for many people it has become this quest for the perfect man. And we loose a lot of that gut chemistry. Because I don't think we all always have a good sense of who that ideal man for us really should be. In my mind it's a powerful business man who wears suits to the office, loves the arts and goes to charity galas. He's super liberal and loves city life.
I've failed every time I've tried to that date.
I did fall head overheels IRL for a country boy who owned a flooring store and did construction for a living. He was moderate (although gay rights were totally okay), didn't have a penchant for the arts and liked to chug beer. He drove a huge truck and helped out on his families farm on the weekend.
Soooo total opposite who it actually took me two months of him pursuing me to even give him a chance. And I feel so so hard. And honestly our ying and yang was really fun. Until he turned into a fucking huge asshole who broke my heart in a million pieces. (side rant).
But again goes back to all these parameters and looking for our "dream" guy which I'm not convinced any of us really know what that is.
Post by peppermint on Jan 28, 2015 15:16:45 GMT -5
@pdx18 i agree - and unfortunately, i think to know whether or not someone is your "dream" match takes time. you have to be patient to see if you can tolerate them, or if they can tolerate you, because no one is perfect, as we all know.
that's another problem with dating these days - no one takes the time to get to know someone and see if that person really is your "dream" person or not.
peppermint I TOTALLY agree with you. Also I mean this isn't a successful means to dating. Look at these stats from Pew:
Even among Americans who have been with their spouse or partner for five years or less, fully 88% say that they met their partner offline–without the help of a dating site.
and
5% of Americans who are in a marriage or committed relationship say they met their significant other online.
peppermint I TOTALLY agree with you. Also I mean this isn't a successful means to dating. Look at these stats from Pew:
Even among Americans who have been with their spouse or partner for five years or less, fully 88% say that they met their partner offline–without the help of a dating site.
and
5% of Americans who are in a marriage or committed relationship say they met their significant other online.
I'd be curious to see the demographic of who makes up the 5%. I would guess far more couples that have met in the last 5-10 years met online than before that, and the vast majority of couples in the US probably met longer than 10 years ago. So what does that mean, KWIM?
I actually know a lot of people who have gotten married in the last few years that met online. I also met my BF online. I don't see it as the ONLY way to meet people, but I honestly don't see it as much better/worse than meeting anywhere else. It's just another resource for meeting people you might not otherwise meet. I didn't go with anything that was designed to "find your perfect match based on 2390234 criteria!" but it was a way to meet some single people in my area that I probably wouldn't have crossed paths with otherwise.
I also think it's an icebreaker. I can't imagine my BF walking up to someone and asking them out anymore than I can imagine myself doing that. So I think it's great in that way! Just like I wouldn't be having this conversation without the internet either, KWIM? I just think people shouldn't take it too seriously or look at it as a magic dating solution (not saying you are, pdx!). If you treat it as a tool or resource, just like you'd treat networking events or getting set up by friends or meeting people at a party as a resource, I think it can work out really well. If you put too much stock in it, it's probably not going to be as appealing.
peppermint I TOTALLY agree with you. Also I mean this isn't a successful means to dating. Look at these stats from Pew:
Even among Americans who have been with their spouse or partner for five years or less, fully 88% say that they met their partner offline–without the help of a dating site.
and
5% of Americans who are in a marriage or committed relationship say they met their significant other online.
I'd be curious to see the demographic of who makes up the 5%. I would guess far more couples that have met in the last 5-10 years met online than before that, and the vast majority of couples in the US probably met longer than 10 years ago. So what does that mean, KWIM?
I actually know a lot of people who have gotten married in the last few years that met online. I also met my BF online. I don't see it as the ONLY way to meet people, but I honestly don't see it as much better/worse than meeting anywhere else. It's just another resource for meeting people you might not otherwise meet. I didn't go with anything that was designed to "find your perfect match based on 2390234 criteria!" but it was a way to meet some single people in my area that I probably wouldn't have crossed paths with otherwise.
I also think it's an icebreaker. I can't imagine my BF walking up to someone and asking them out anymore than I can imagine myself doing that. So I think it's great in that way! Just like I wouldn't be having this conversation without the internet either, KWIM? I just think people shouldn't take it too seriously or look at it as a magic dating solution (not saying you are, pdx!). If you treat it as a tool or resource, just like you'd treat networking events or getting set up by friends or meeting people at a party as a resource, I think it can work out really well. If you put too much stock in it, it's probably not going to be as appealing.
I think it's interesting (and sad) that the answer if you don't like online dating isn't simply dates guys you meet offline. Because almost every single guy is dating online or has at some point, so it's changed all of dating.
I am just highly skeptical of a guy lying about his age in such a way that he'd likely get younger matches than if he were honest. What's his problem with women his own age, you know? Because you can see on this board that it's not like women are all dating younger men.
I recently started dating an "older" guy.
He doesn't necessarily have a problem with 40 year old women due to their personality or looks. But he wants to have biological kids and lets be honest...obviously 40 year old women aren't at their prime to be having kids. So he prefers to date women between the ages of 30-38 or so. I'm pretty sure I'd feel the same way if I were a guy.
Obviously I don't have a problem with dating an older guy since I've been hanging out with him, but when thinking about my "ideal" mate I never pictured a 40 year old being it. So yes I think women are open to dating older men, but overall I don't think it's the preference to date older men.
Like someone said above, it seems that online dating kind of forces you to analyze people in an unfair way that wouldn't normally happen if you meet someone out on the streets.
Yes lying isn't ideal, but I don't think it's always a sign of insecurity or being a douche or only wanting a hot 25 year old. I think it's realistic for guys to realize they'll have a much better chance in the online dating world of sparking someone's interest if they say they're 38 vs 43 since you have to enter an age.
I'm so iffy about this, and it's one reason I'm not a huge fan of online dating. If I met someone organically, age isn't something that comes up right away. So I'm not automatically excluding the people I meet by their age. Online dating allows this, and it's kind of a bummer. I feel like people are missing out on other potentially awesome people.
But I would've expected him to fess up really quickly.
I am just highly skeptical of a guy lying about his age in such a way that he'd likely get younger matches than if he were honest. What's his problem with women his own age, you know? Because you can see on this board that it's not like women are all dating younger men.
I recently started dating an "older" guy.
He doesn't necessarily have a problem with 40 year old women due to their personality or looks. But he wants to have biological kids and lets be honest...obviously 40 year old women aren't at their prime to be having kids. So he prefers to date women between the ages of 30-38 or so. I'm pretty sure I'd feel the same way if I were a guy.
Okay, THIS is one of the things that get's me HEATED. I know, biology and shit, but being all, "no old eggs for me, thanks." YOU HAVE OLD BALLS, MFER! There are so many ways to get pregnant now-IVF, Surrogate, etc. But, oh no, no 40 year old women for that dude because he needs prime stock for his aging sperm. Women can have kids in their 40s. It's harder, sure, but writing them off when you are old balls is annoying as fuck to me.
He doesn't necessarily have a problem with 40 year old women due to their personality or looks. But he wants to have biological kids and lets be honest...obviously 40 year old women aren't at their prime to be having kids. So he prefers to date women between the ages of 30-38 or so. I'm pretty sure I'd feel the same way if I were a guy.
Okay, THIS is one of the things that get's me HEATED. I know, biology and shit, but being all, "no old eggs for me, thanks." YOU HAVE OLD BALLS, MFER! There are so many ways to get pregnant now-IVF, Surrogate, etc. But, oh no, no 40 year old women for that dude because he needs prime stock for his aging sperm. Women can have kids in their 40s. It's harder, sure, but writing them off when you are old balls is annoying as fuck to me.
Interesting. I guess I don't really have a problem with it. If I want to have biological kids I'm going to do what I can to maximize my chances of that happening. There is a difference between "old balls" and "old eggs."
And I guess this is the problem with online dating...you're pretty much forced to input certain information and have preferences that don't always appear when meeting someone in a different social setting. If you're being forced to have certain preferences, then why not maximize it to it's fullest. I don't think the guy I'm dating now would discount a woman who is 40+ at all and specifically said that in his profile, but I can't fault him for also having a preference for younger women that have a statistically higher chance of getting pregnant.
Okay, THIS is one of the things that get's me HEATED. I know, biology and shit, but being all, "no old eggs for me, thanks." YOU HAVE OLD BALLS, MFER! There are so many ways to get pregnant now-IVF, Surrogate, etc. But, oh no, no 40 year old women for that dude because he needs prime stock for his aging sperm. Women can have kids in their 40s. It's harder, sure, but writing them off when you are old balls is annoying as fuck to me.
Interesting. I guess I don't really have a problem with it. If I want to have biological kids I'm going to do what I can to maximize my chances of that happening. There is a difference between "old balls" and "old eggs."
And I guess this is the problem with online dating...you're pretty much forced to input certain information and have preferences that don't always appear when meeting someone in a different social setting. If you're being forced to have certain preferences, then why not maximize it to it's fullest. I don't think the guy I'm dating now would discount a woman who is 40+ at all and specifically said that in his profile, but I can't fault him for also having a preference for younger women that have a statistically higher chance of getting pregnant.
But why is it understandable he waited so long to have kids when it is okay for him to want younger women to have those kids? I mean, preference is preference, but it annoys the fuck out of me to choose a woman based on breeding stock like some sort of cattle. Jizz in a cup and make a test tube baby if it's that damn important. Don't date women based on their fallopian tubes.
He doesn't necessarily have a problem with 40 year old women due to their personality or looks. But he wants to have biological kids and lets be honest...obviously 40 year old women aren't at their prime to be having kids. So he prefers to date women between the ages of 30-38 or so. I'm pretty sure I'd feel the same way if I were a guy.
Obviously I don't have a problem with dating an older guy since I've been hanging out with him, but when thinking about my "ideal" mate I never pictured a 40 year old being it. So yes I think women are open to dating older men, but overall I don't think it's the preference to date older men.
Like someone said above, it seems that online dating kind of forces you to analyze people in an unfair way that wouldn't normally happen if you meet someone out on the streets.
Yes lying isn't ideal, but I don't think it's always a sign of insecurity or being a douche or only wanting a hot 25 year old. I think it's realistic for guys to realize they'll have a much better chance in the online dating world of sparking someone's interest if they say they're 38 vs 43 since you have to enter an age.
The reason that THIS ANNOYS me - is that soooo many dudes are waiting until 40+ to actually want kids and settle down,which means many of them start looking at women in their 20s. Which means women in their 30s are forced to be with 50+ year old men, or men that don't want kids. It's really really obnoxious to me that men are fucking around so long until they decide they want to be serious. Ya, ya, free choice, blah blah. It just sucks that it affects in this middle range the way that it does.
That makes sense.
I guess I don't have a lot of experience to notice that men in their 30s are waiting until their 40 to want to settle down. Most of my guy friends are in their late 20s and early 30s and actively trying to be in relationships.
I can see how your experiences have made it more clear to you that guys in their 30s are that way and it's not fair for women to be "forced" to date older. Not fair!
Post by jojoandleo on Jan 28, 2015 18:07:32 GMT -5
My anger is partially based on how unfair being a woman fucking is. We have to carry the damn babies. Which means you always know who the fucking mother is. Women can't just walk away all "Dudes a ho, prolly ain't mine." BUUUUT, then when we get older, suddenly we aren't good enough, but, oh, it's understandable, he wants kids! Then homeboy should have had kids sooner!
Getting older as a woman is really fucking hard. And it is sooo easy for old ass men to justify wanting to date women young enough to be their daughters because BABIES! Whatever. Older women can have babies. You can adopt. You can have a surrogate.
Just goes back to my wishing men's reproductive capabilities cut off at some point too.
Interesting. I guess I don't really have a problem with it. If I want to have biological kids I'm going to do what I can to maximize my chances of that happening. There is a difference between "old balls" and "old eggs."
And I guess this is the problem with online dating...you're pretty much forced to input certain information and have preferences that don't always appear when meeting someone in a different social setting. If you're being forced to have certain preferences, then why not maximize it to it's fullest. I don't think the guy I'm dating now would discount a woman who is 40+ at all and specifically said that in his profile, but I can't fault him for also having a preference for younger women that have a statistically higher chance of getting pregnant.
But why is it understandable he waited so long to have kids when it is okay for him to want younger women to have those kids? I mean, preference is preference, but it annoys the fuck out of me to choose a woman based on breeding stock like some sort of cattle. Jizz in a cup and make a test tube baby if it's that damn important. Don't date women based on their fallopian tubes.
I can't talk for every guy obviously, but the guy I'm dating now...it's not like "he waited so long" to have kids out of choice. He was married (for 3 years in his 20s) and divorced and has been in a few 1+ year relationships in his 20s and 30s, but none of them worked out.
Just like the many of us on this board life hasn't gone as "planned" and he hasn't found the right partner yet for kids...I can't fault him for that. He's wanted kids all along.
I only decided that I definitely wanted to have kids last year. I didn't know it was a problem for a man or a woman to come around to having kids as they get in to their 30s or 40s.
Now I don't know if that's the case for most guys that are 40+, but I don't think it's reasonable to assume that all guys that are 40+ were playa playas in their 20s and 30s and just now are coming around to the idea of having kids.
People have all sorts of preferences/ideals...height, race, education, salary, etc...so I don't think age is any worse than other preferences when it legitimately has a "reason."
My anger is partially based on how unfair being a woman fucking is. We have to carry the damn babies. Which means you always know who the fucking mother is. Women can't just walk away all "Dudes a ho, prolly ain't mine." BUUUUT, then when we get older, suddenly we aren't good enough, but, oh, it's understandable, he wants kids! Then homeboy should have had kids sooner!
Getting older as a woman is really fucking hard. And it is sooo easy for old ass men to justify wanting to date women young enough to be their daughters because BABIES! Whatever. Older women can have babies. You can adopt. You can have a surrogate.
Just goes back to my wishing men's reproductive capabilities cut off at some point too.
I think you need to calm down lol.
I'm pretty sure if a guy is 40 and has wanted kids for the past 20 years if he could've had kids sooner, then he would've. I'm sure many of us on this board wish we could've had kids sooner, but uhh clearly something went off course along the way. If only it were that simple to just want something and for it to happen.
And I wasn't talking about dating someone young enough to be your daughter. I was talking about a 40 year old dating a 30 year old.
But why is it understandable he waited so long to have kids when it is okay for him to want younger women to have those kids? I mean, preference is preference, but it annoys the fuck out of me to choose a woman based on breeding stock like some sort of cattle. Jizz in a cup and make a test tube baby if it's that damn important. Don't date women based on their fallopian tubes.
I can't talk for every guy obviously, but the guy I'm dating now...it's not like "he waited so long" to have kids out of choice. He was married (for 3 years in his 20s) and divorced and has been in a few 1+ year relationships in his 20s and 30s, but none of them worked out.
Just like the many of us on this board life hasn't gone as "planned" and he hasn't found the right partner yet for kids...I can't fault him for that. He's wanted kids all along.
I only decided that I definitely wanted to have kids last year. I didn't know it was a problem for a man or a woman to come around to having kids as they get in to their 30s or 40s.
Now I don't know if that's the case for most guys that are 40+, but I don't think it's reasonable to assume that all guys that are 40+ were playa playas in their 20s and 30s and just now are coming around to the idea of having kids.
People have all sorts of preferences/ideals...height, race, education, salary, etc...so I don't think age is any worse than other preferences when it legitimately has a "reason."
It's not an issue to decide later in life you want kids. I just hate that it is a valid reason to not want to date someone your own fucking age. Especially since women in their 40s CAN HAVE KIDS. And it sucks he is writing women off because he wants kids when many of them CAN HAVE KIDS. And there are women in their 20s and 30s who can't. But, like I said, I think if men's reproductive capabilities cut off at a certain age, too, this wouldn't be a problem. Being a woman sucks. I am sure the guy you are dating is awesome and all and not at all what I am annoyed about. I just don't like that some men date women purely as breeding stock. How about you find someone you love, then deal with the how to make a baby, rather than looking for a baby vessel to date.
My anger is partially based on how unfair being a woman fucking is. We have to carry the damn babies. Which means you always know who the fucking mother is. Women can't just walk away all "Dudes a ho, prolly ain't mine." BUUUUT, then when we get older, suddenly we aren't good enough, but, oh, it's understandable, he wants kids! Then homeboy should have had kids sooner!
Getting older as a woman is really fucking hard. And it is sooo easy for old ass men to justify wanting to date women young enough to be their daughters because BABIES! Whatever. Older women can have babies. You can adopt. You can have a surrogate.
Just goes back to my wishing men's reproductive capabilities cut off at some point too.
I think you need to calm down lol.
I'm pretty sure if a guy is 40 and has wanted kids for the past 20 years if he could've had kids sooner, then he would've. I'm sure many of us on this board wish we could've had kids sooner, but uhh clearly something went off course along the way. If only it were that simple to just want something and for it to happen.
And I wasn't talking about dating someone young enough to be your daughter. I was talking about a 40 year old dating a 30 year old.
I post in hyperbole. It's kind of who I am. Have you never read my posts on here? Trust me, I am calm.
I get you are defensive of your BF. I am not talking about your BF specifically. I am sure he is not one of these men. I am posting my annoyance about being a woman.
peppermint I TOTALLY agree with you. Also I mean this isn't a successful means to dating. Look at these stats from Pew:
Even among Americans who have been with their spouse or partner for five years or less, fully 88% say that they met their partner offline–without the help of a dating site.
and
5% of Americans who are in a marriage or committed relationship say they met their significant other online.
I'd be curious to see the demographic of who makes up the 5%. I would guess far more couples that have met in the last 5-10 years met online than before that, and the vast majority of couples in the US probably met longer than 10 years ago. So what does that mean, KWIM?
I actually know a lot of people who have gotten married in the last few years that met online. I also met my BF online. I don't see it as the ONLY way to meet people, but I honestly don't see it as much better/worse than meeting anywhere else. It's just another resource for meeting people you might not otherwise meet. I didn't go with anything that was designed to "find your perfect match based on 2390234 criteria!" but it was a way to meet some single people in my area that I probably wouldn't have crossed paths with otherwise.
I also think it's an icebreaker. I can't imagine my BF walking up to someone and asking them out anymore than I can imagine myself doing that. So I think it's great in that way! Just like I wouldn't be having this conversation without the internet either, KWIM? I just think people shouldn't take it too seriously or look at it as a magic dating solution (not saying you are, pdx!). If you treat it as a tool or resource, just like you'd treat networking events or getting set up by friends or meeting people at a party as a resource, I think it can work out really well. If you put too much stock in it, it's probably not going to be as appealing.
My sentiments as well. OLD didn't break into mainstream dating until, what, the last decade or so? I know a fair amount of people that met their SOs online, and I know a number of others that didn't have the greatest experiences. I can understand why many, especially men, think it's utterly crap. They have it exceptionally hard, especially men of "average" looks, <5'11" height and <80k salary. I don't liken OLD as "not real life." It is real life. It's another way to meet people that fit what you're looking for. The chances of me meeting someone "in the real world" that fit my criteria was extremely slim. Most of the men in various Meetup groups were either married, much too young or I was not attracted to them/no compatibility. There are definite pros and cons to this medium, as with any. My type are the type that prefer OLD because they are like me, introverted, unlikely to strike up a conversation in person, niche interests, etc.
It's a tool like any other, and can be a useful one.
Well, I could see how I could come across as typing angry. LOL. It's just a part of who I am. When I messed up at work, I was talking to my boss and like, "Don't punch me in the face, but..." It's just me. I'm really NOT heated, and I DON'T think her boyfriend is dating someone as breeding stock AT ALL. This topic just get's me all, "Being a woman sucks!" The whole baby making process is so unfair, hence why I will not be doing it. If I change my mind about kids, this bitch is adopting. My vagina is an ENTRANCE ONLY!
ETA-and yes, the men you are talking about are the ones who annoy me. Not the ones who wanted kids for years. But some 40 year old women have wanted kids for years too and should be afforded the same opportunity!