Post by charminglife on Jan 28, 2015 9:36:05 GMT -5
I seem to remember a police boycott of Ben and Jerry's in the 90s - I think the founders have often spoken out about their beliefs and haven't shied away from controversial topics. I'm happy to see them continue to do it.
I seem to remember a police boycott of Ben and Jerry's in the 90s - I think the founders have often spoken out about their beliefs and haven't shied away from controversial topics. I'm happy to see them continue to do it.
Anyone who was stupid enough to believe that wasn't a hoax should have been immediately fired. Holy hell... The people who read that and thought, "Well, of course this could be true!!!" Remind me of the Christians in the US declaring that they are persecuted and oppressed.
What a shame. This is not a race issue. This is a compliance of the law issue. At least two of those "victims" were defying the law and refusing to comply. Where and when do Blue Lives Matter ? Why is it police's fault that people refuse to comply with the law?
UNARMED does NOT make them innocent or non-dangerous! Being unarmed can be just as dangerous. Let's take a six foot five male and a five foot one. Tell me how the shorter one should fight to live? This is a race bait that those who believe this crap jump right into.
I won't be supporting this one bit. But I do support their right to believe or speak their beliefs.
What a shame. This is not a race issue. This is a compliance of the law issue. At least two of those "victims" were defying the law and refusing to comply. Where and when do Blue Lives Matter ? Why is it police's fault that people refuse to comply with the law?
UNARMED does NOT make them innocent or non-dangerous! Being unarmed can be just as dangerous. Let's take a six foot five male and a five foot one. Tell me how the shorter one should fight to live? This is a race bait that those who believe this crap jump right into.
I won't be supporting this one bit. But I do support their right to believe or speak their beliefs.
Say what now? So say I, a white woman... I don't know, speed and get pulled over. And refuse a breathalyzer. I should be executed? Or, say I shoplift a bracelet and am confronted by a police officer at a store entrance - and I run. I should be shot down? If I am walking around walmart with a toy gun while gabbing on a cell phone - do you think the police would be called? If they were and pointed a gun at me do you think I'd even register that they thought I was threatening anyone? After all I was walking around minding my own business doing... nothing.
Though to be fair I'm not bigger than a police officer as you mentioned. But then again neither was Tamir Rice who was 12 when cops killed him. He was also unarmed. And not a criminal. But he was black.
Yep, not about race at all. Sure thing.
And finally, without sarcasm - you know it's possible to feel confidence in the majority of law enforcement, while still recognizing that racial profiling is a real and damaging thing, right? You can respect and admire law enforcement and still recognize that there are individual members who racially profile, or practices that are counterproductive, divisive and hurtful to communities? It is not an all or nothing proposition. Pointing out that racism exists does not mean that all LEOs are racists.
What a shame. This is not a race issue. This is a compliance of the law issue. At least two of those "victims" were defying the law and refusing to comply. Where and when do Blue Lives Matter ? Why is it police's fault that people refuse to comply with the law?
UNARMED does NOT make them innocent or non-dangerous! Being unarmed can be just as dangerous. Let's take a six foot five male and a five foot one. Tell me how the shorter one should fight to live? This is a race bait that those who believe this crap jump right into.
I won't be supporting this one bit. But I do support their right to believe or speak their beliefs.
I don't know all the details of any stories to decide who did what. But few people demanded the police officers involved should be hanged or shot or jailed. Most people just wanted a trial. It is black lives matter but it's also the fact that we live in a democracy with rules of law. Not coverups and crooked district attorneys. But I guess that goes back to blacklivesmatter.
BlueBayou, "at least two" of the victims were defying the law--and that means the police had no choice but to execute them on the spot? What about the victims that were not breaking any laws?
And please, "this is not a race issue." Tamir Rice would be alive today if he were white.
What a shame. This is not a race issue. This is a compliance of the law issue. At least two of those "victims" were defying the law and refusing to comply. Where and when do Blue Lives Matter ? Why is it police's fault that people refuse to comply with the law?
UNARMED does NOT make them innocent or non-dangerous! Being unarmed can be just as dangerous. Let's take a six foot five male and a five foot one. Tell me how the shorter one should fight to live? This is a race bait that those who believe this crap jump right into.
I won't be supporting this one bit. But I do support their right to believe or speak their beliefs.
I don't know all the details of any stories to decide who did what. But few people demanded the police officers involved should be hanged or shot or jailed. Most people just wanted a trial. It is black lives matter but it's also the fact that we live in a democracy with rules of law. Not coverups and crooked district attorneys. But I guess that goes back to blacklivesmatter.
A grand jury is a trial, It is just not a jury trial. And in some ways is better because the jurors actually get to question who is on the stand as well. I cannot speak for the Garner case as I do not know what trial occurred there. I do not know of what coverup you are speaking of , unless it was because there was not a public trial? As far as Im concerned all lives matter. The real question is why certain people dont think they need to follow laws or comply with a lawful order.
I am not an expert on any of this. However, even I have read that the district attorney didn't try to win. He had witnesses arguing the other side (shouldn't happen at a grand jury - heck, shouldn't happen with a lawyer who wants to win- that's for the defense team) he had unreliable witnesses that would be hard to believe. Basically, he didn't even bother to try. He didn't want to get a real trial. And have you seen the Eric garner video? Someone should be killed for resisting arrest? Really? Someone unarmed? As far as I can see- there was no gun or knife or any other thing. He was a big guy, sure. But there were like 3-4 cops. For my future safety, I hope 4 cops are trained on how to bring down a big guy. He was selling fucking cigarettes. That seems similar to resisting a breathalyzer to me.
I am a white MC/UMC/UC (depending on who you ask) female, from a military family. Stan is military. I have friends who are police officers. I grew up with police officers. My very good friend as a child's father was a cop...one who investigated my sister's molestation. My friend, who was my DD's friend's mom, worked dispatch and her boyfriend was lead investigating detective for a serial rapist and killer (one who had once approached me in a store, I later learned). My friend, whose husband is a sheriff, unfriended me on FB because of the Black Lives Matter posts - even though I post as many Blue Lives Matter posts and "way to go Officer X" and follow Police Department blogs - but you know what, she gets it and we're still friends, we had the (very civil) discussion before she unfriended me. For a while I worked graves at a 7-11 to support my family, down the road from Folsom Prison, and you can be sure that every cop in the neighborhood was my best friend and those K-9s were in my shop eating treats at every opportunity and I was giving out free coffee left and right. (/end credentials)
One of my very good officer friends shot and killed a 13 year old boy. It was late at night, there was a call of something going on at a local elementary school. Nobody knew what was going on where, there were multiple officers on the scene. Boy turned the corner, my friend told him to halt and the kid didn't comply. There was something metallic in his hand that light hit it as the boy was raising or moving his hand. My friend thought it was a gun (since he wasn't aware of what was going on) and he shot that poor kid. My friend was devastated. He was acquitted in the investigation (it wasn't a gun, btw, but he didn't know that) but it still devastated him for a very, very long time. My heart broke for him then and it breaks for him now. So yes, blue lives matter.
But you will NEVER hear me say Blue Lives Matter or All Lives Matter when the discussion is Black Lives Matter because right now the issue is that Black Lives Matter.
or when a 12 year old boy in a park is dangerous and shot without warning and killed (watch the damn video - and I'm from Cleveland and worked in the legal field for 10 years one block away from the police headquarters...and the department has been under investigation for some years, btw) but a white male ON PROBATION is charged with disorderly conduct after SHOOTING cops with a bb gun while at a routine traffic stop www.wmur.com/news/police-man-arrested-after-shooting-bb-gun-at-officers/28219706
Or when a white female wearing body armor is actively shooting at passers-by while driving her vehicle. Led police on a high-speed chase but still managed to get arrested unscathed. hiphopwired.com/2014/12/30/bruh-news-julia-shields-chattanooga/ Witnesses included an 8 year old child and his friends. www.wrcbtv.com/story/27714640/police-charge-woman-with-attempted-murder. But a man selling cigarettes and talking back to police, who know him well because of his prior violent history of selling illegal cigarettes, is choked to death for not complying with an order by a police officer.
The fact of the matter is that black males are more likely to be shot by police officers than white males. Racial profiling is inherent racism. Black lives don't matter more, but they do matter AS MUCH.
For everyone saying "I'm going to buy Ben and Jerry's in support" - they sold it to Unilever, who is back-pedaling, hemming and hawing. So I'm not buying in support of Black Lives Matter - not unless I'm buying it, taking a picture of me eating it and posting it on Unilever's website/mailing the picture to Unilever with the caption "I bought this because Black Lives Matter." lol. I might buy in support of their other initiatives however. I saw the brownies story the other day and *that* made me want to go buy a pint.
I am a white MC/UMC/UC (depending on who you ask) female, from a military family. Stan is military. I have friends who are police officers. I grew up with police officers. My very good friend as a child's father was a cop...one who investigated my sister's molestation. My friend, who was my DD's friend's mom, worked dispatch and her boyfriend was lead investigating detective for a serial rapist and killer (one who had once approached me in a store, I later learned). My friend, whose husband is a sheriff, unfriended me on FB because of the Black Lives Matter posts - even though I post as many Blue Lives Matter posts and "way to go Officer X" and follow Police Department blogs - but you know what, she gets it and we're still friends, we had the (very civil) discussion before she unfriended me. For a while I worked graves at a 7-11 to support my family, down the road from Folsom Prison, and you can be sure that every cop in the neighborhood was my best friend and those K-9s were in my shop eating treats at every opportunity and I was giving out free coffee left and right. (/end credentials)
One of my very good officer friends shot and killed a 13 year old boy. It was late at night, there was a call of something going on at a local elementary school. Nobody knew what was going on where, there were multiple officers on the scene. Boy turned the corner, my friend told him to halt and the kid didn't comply. There was something metallic in his hand that light hit it as the boy was raising or moving his hand. My friend thought it was a gun (since he wasn't aware of what was going on) and he shot that poor kid. My friend was devastated. He was acquitted in the investigation (it wasn't a gun, btw, but he didn't know that) but it still devastated him for a very, very long time. My heart broke for him then and it breaks for him now. So yes, blue lives matter. But you will NEVER hear me say Blue Lives Matter or All Lives Matter when the discussion is Black Lives Matter because right now the issue is that Black Lives Matter.
or when a 12 year old boy in a park is dangerous and shot without warning and killed (watch the damn video - and I'm from Cleveland and worked in the legal field for 10 years one block away from the police headquarters...and the department has been under investigation for some years, btw) but a white male ON PROBATION is charged with disorderly conduct after SHOOTING cops with a bb gun while at a routine traffic stop www.wmur.com/news/police-man-arrested-after-shooting-bb-gun-at-officers/28219706
Or when a white female wearing body armor is actively shooting at passers-by while driving her vehicle. Led police on a high-speed chase but still managed to get arrested unscathed. hiphopwired.com/2014/12/30/bruh-news-julia-shields-chattanooga/ Witnesses included an 8 year old child and his friends. www.wrcbtv.com/story/27714640/police-charge-woman-with-attempted-murder. But a man selling cigarettes and talking back to police, who know him well because of his prior violent history of selling illegal cigarettes, is choked to death for not complying with an order by a police officer.
The fact of the matter is that black males are more likely to be shot by police officers than white males. Racial profiling is inherent racism. Black lives don't matter more, but they do matter AS MUCH.
Oh, and since it matters so much to you, I talked to cops about the various cases and at least in the Tamir case they thought what happened was some bullshit and poor policing. Now go have a better day with your everything bagel ass.
I suspect BlueBayou is one of those "I'm not a feminist because men and women should be equal" idiots too.
Oh, and since it matters so much to you, I talked to cops about the various cases and at least in the Tamir case they thought what happened was some bullshit and poor policing. Now go have a better day with your everything bagel ass.
As I recall the police and spouses of officers on this board were horrified by this case as well.