In my kid's classes! Another mom and I wrote the director of our preschool and inquired, since we both have newborns. Lo and behold, there are unvaxed kids not just in the school, but in their classes. Which is fantastic, since I need to bring Molly in 2 times per day. Omg. This is so infuriating. And of course, I don't know which kids, because she can't tell me that. I'm thinking of emailing everyone and asking. It's gauche, but shit, I do not want MB getting rsv or pertussis.
“Life is not orderly. No matter how we try to make it so, right in the middle of it lose a leg, fall in love, drop a jar of applesauce.” - Natalie Goldberg
Post by vampsterdam on Jan 30, 2015 13:40:19 GMT -5
Oh! And her husband comments,
"The biggest lie we are sold is that vaccine immunity is the same as acquired immunity (ie... how many "boosters" do you need to be "protected") 2nd biggest is herd immunity (ie...are you as an adult up to date on your "boosters"?). 3rd is the toxic amount of aluminum in vaccines.
JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL! I don't feel "protected". Idiots!
It explains how vaccines work, but also goes into Andrew Wakefield's paper published in The Lancet, which claimed there was a link between vaccines and autism. His medical license was later revoked.
ETA: While there are still people out there who believe vaccines cause autism (despite evidence to the contrary), the anti-vaxxers' reasons seem to be shifting to INGREDIENTS!, vaccine injuries, and personal rights.
“Life is not orderly. No matter how we try to make it so, right in the middle of it lose a leg, fall in love, drop a jar of applesauce.” - Natalie Goldberg
“Life is not orderly. No matter how we try to make it so, right in the middle of it lose a leg, fall in love, drop a jar of applesauce.” - Natalie Goldberg
Someone on my FB is letting her kids have some "measles education" by watching the Brady Bunch episode where they all get measles. See? Nothing to be afraid of! They are all FINE and acting normally.
Because you know they are actors pretending to have measles but let's not get caught up in the details.
Someone on my FB is letting her kids have some "measles education" by watching the Brady Bunch episode where they all get measles. See? Nothing to be afraid of! They are all FINE and acting normally.
Because you know they are actors pretending to have measles but let's not get caught up in the details.
Post by kellsbelles on Jan 30, 2015 14:36:31 GMT -5
Just last night I had a convo with a lady who chooses not to vaccinate because "no child has ever died from measles". Its really shocking the misinformation people have
Someone on my FB is letting her kids have some "measles education" by watching the Brady Bunch episode where they all get measles. See? Nothing to be afraid of! They are all FINE and acting normally.
Because you know they are actors pretending to have measles but let's not get caught up in the details.
That's a high level of dumb. And what does she want them to do with their 70's sitcom measles education?
Just last night I had a convo with a lady who chooses not to vaccinate because "no child has ever died from measles". Its really shocking the misinformation people have
Just last night I had a convo with a lady who chooses not to vaccinate because "no child has ever died from measles". Its really shocking the misinformation people have
People say the same thing about Chickenpox. I know TWO PEOPLE who have died from chickenpox. Before the vaccine, about 13,000 per year were hospitalized, and around 150 people per year died from chickenpox. Yeah, no big deal. Idiots.
It's such a strange movement that has gotten so much traction.
1) Andrew Wakefield and his completely shitty, discredited "study" linking Autism to the MMR vaccine. 2) Internet 3) Google 4) mommy bloggers who do "research" with parts 2 and 3 (please note that most of these people have no idea how to critically analyze a scientific paper), throw in some personal anecdotes of friends with kids who have autism and were vaccinated 5) Jenny Fucking McCarthy 6) (and this part is huge) vast majority of people in our generation who have exactly ZERO first hand knowledge or experience with these diseases (including loads of doctors), and thus have no perspective of how devastating and painful they can be, and continue to be in other parts of the world.
We need to launch a similar Internet/mommy blogger campaign in reverse.
There was a study done last year that showed the more you try to rationally, scientifically, and even politely disprove anti-vax BS, the more they dig their heels in and refuse to believe actual science. Its so frustrating.
Short of them seeing their own kids die from these diseases, I'm not sure many of them would change their stance.
6) (and this part is huge) vast majority of people in our generation who have exactly ZERO first hand knowledge or experience with these diseases (including loads of doctors), and thus have no perspective of how devastating and painful they can be, and continue to be in other parts of the world.
I think this one is much more huge than people realize. You won't find anyone in the generation that lived through childhood measles or polio scares or any of that who is against vaccines.
Even with chicken pox (while usually not a lethal illness) and which I had as a kid, I would rather spare my son the 10 days of miserableness AND the chance of shingles when he's older.
There is a (albeit small) subset of people who get measles that have a fever so high that they become mentally retarded. That scared me to death when I heard that. I can't imagine taking the chance.
Ugh, then I just read this:
Long-term Complications Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE) is a very rare, but fatal disease of the central nervous system that results from a measles virus infection acquired earlier in life. SSPE generally develops 7 to 10 years after a person has measles, even though the person seems to have fully recovered from the illness. Since measles was eliminated in 2000, SSPE is rarely reported in the United States.
Among people who contracted measles during the resurgence in the United States in 1989 to 1991, 4 to 11 out of every 100,000 were estimated to be at risk for developing SSPE. The risk of developing SSPE may be higher for a person who gets measles before they are two years of age. For more information, see Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE): MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia.
ACK! Why are they bringing this back?! The preschool DD2 is attending next year is on the crunchier side. I'm tempted to ask, but I kind of don't want to know since I love the school so much.
We need to launch a similar Internet/mommy blogger campaign in reverse.
Continue vaccinating.
Continue the conversation.
It's notoriously challenging to get an anti-vxer to change their mind, but it's helpful to talk to all the newbie parents why we need to continue with vaccination.
of course, if you also want to donate to awesome NGOs doing tremendous work ensuring that all kids are vaccinated.....
Post by bohemianmango on Jan 30, 2015 15:49:33 GMT -5
Right now in my county, there are 2 unvaxxed kids diagnosed with measles. They claim they were quarantined in time to prevent exposure. I'm doubtful.
Also, there is a family trying to ban unvaxxed kids from the schools. Their son has an compromised immune system after having leukemia and going through treatments.
We need to launch a similar Internet/mommy blogger campaign in reverse.
No one wants to admit they are wrong and endangering their child (or other children). Those people are already lost causes unless something drastic or tragic happens to a loved one. I think they key is to continue educating the masses before they get to the vaccinating point. Too bad they don't have sweet PSAs or after school specials anymore.
Post by litebright on Jan 30, 2015 16:02:04 GMT -5
I was really glad to get a note with DD2's kindergarten registration that apparently the CO legislature passed a law that took affect earlier this year to make it public record what the vaccination rates are at a given school -- public schools at least, I don't know if it covers private as well.
I don't think we have a lot of anti-vaxxers, but at least I'll have a better idea. It's definitely something on my radar -- there have been two cases of whooping cough at the school in the four years since DD1 started preschool there.
Right now in my county, there are 2 unvaxxed kids diagnosed with measles. They claim they were quarantined in time to prevent exposure. I'm doubtful.
That's hard to believe, since apparently you are contagious for four days before showing symptoms.
I agree.
And omg, wtf?! I just read more about this case. They're saying our county's kids are safe because the kids spent time in another county before being quarantined at home. So don't worry our kids are safe but other people in another county have probably been exposed. This makes me sick.