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Post by sugarglider on Feb 1, 2015 21:11:24 GMT -5
I like tipping because I like rewarding good service. I m'd be okay if it was optional instead of compulsory, though.
I would like to see it used more...like the post office. I'd gladly tip the folks at my parents' post office, but not the one by my freshman dorm (where they made me buy additional packing tape because they felt I hadn't done an adequate taping job).
I'm going to put a tip jar at my desk just to see if it takes off. My swear jar isn't doing so hot. Well, it would be if people who swore actually put money in the jar.
I just...I don't care. Take my dollar. Whatever. I don't see the big deal. I don't know any servers who would prefer a living wage and no tips.
The big deal is that it's really over the top who's expected to be tipped now. The trips I've been on have really hammered home the vast amounts of people I felt like I was expected to tip:
--hair stylist, for not doing a bad job on my hair --shuttle guy who took me to the airport from the parking lot --shuttle guy who took me from the airport to my hotel --valet parking attendant, for bringing me my car --hotel staff --wait staff --and now, baristas
I'm not saying these jobs are paid well, or that it's right they're paid such low wages, but it's a little wearing having to constantly wonder, is this someone whose paycheck I'm expected to subsidize or not?
Tips for the kitchen?? No. They get a regular (not server) wage and do not need tips. Not a great wage (the primary reason I left the baking industry) but still above minimum wage.
Ain't no kind of way the grill cooks in my restaurant deserve a tip. The vast majority your food comes out late or fucked up is because the grill cooks give no good damns about the tables. They just don't. Bitches.
Maybe they'd care if there was a potential to get tipped but probably not. After all, To Go orders carry the possibility of tips and no one cares about those either.
These statements have been true in all of the restaurants I've worked in, btw, not that there's been a ton but you know.
I just...I don't care. Take my dollar. Whatever. I don't see the big deal. I don't know any servers who would prefer a living wage and no tips.
I think because we don't believe we'd get a living wage. I make about $13/hr actually, even on slow nights. That's about my average. I do not for a moment believe anyone would pay me that much if there were no tips. I'd make about as much as they pay McDonald's employees so yeah. Or as much as the restaurant pays the grill cooks.
what about tipping when the person providing the service is the owner?
The rule used to be you didn't tip the owner of the hair salon. Is that still true?
What about restaurants? The chinese place I go is all family. Daughter, Husband and Wife. I usually get take out. My favorite Thai place is a one woman show. She is the owner, cashier, chef, and server. The lunch special is $7.75 but I always leave $10.
I never knowingly tip owners. You want to get paid more? Raise your rates. Or lower your overhead.
I hate HATE tipping. They don't tip in nz. It's lovely.
There's a local coffee shop next to SST's ballet school, and I would go there to get a coffee while she was in class. But when you pay for your coffee, it asks you if you want to tip $1, $2 or $3. My latte was already like $4, but I felt guilted into leaving at least $1, and then I felt resentful for paying extra for something that was already way overpriced. I finally decided to just stop going there altogether because of it. I haven't been back in months.
Living in Japan really embittered me toward automatic tipping everywhere. I was already kind of a scrooge, but I now have international justification for it.
I rank no tipping in my top 5 favorite things about living over here. Workers who get offended by tips are my favorite people.
I also love that the price advertised is inclusive of tax so there's no "just kidding! That item is actually 7.35% higher than the price tag" crap. The price tag is the price. The end. Brilliant.
Living in Japan really embittered me toward automatic tipping everywhere. I was already kind of a scrooge, but I now have international justification for it.
I rank no tipping in my top 5 favorite things about living over here. Workers who get offended by tips are my favorite people.
I also love that the price advertised is inclusive of tax so there's no "just kidding! That item is actually 7.35% higher than the price tag" crap. The price tag is the price. The end. Brilliant.
I currently live in Japan, and I agree with all of the above! I will admit that after two years I still feel a weird guilt when I leave the hair salon or a nicer restaurant and haven't tipped, though.
Why are we supposed to tip coffee people but we don't tip McD's folks? I mean IMO, they are all doing pretty much the same gig.
I wonder if it has to do with different demographics. The people who are willing to spend $4 on a cup of coffee are maybe more likely to actually leave a tip than the people feeding their family off of the dollar menu at McDonalds? Even though there are obviously some crossover customers.
I have never tipped for coffee unless I'm sitting down somewhere and they are bringing it to me.
I started going to a local drive-up coffee shop here. They use a tablet to process your CC transaction. I was surprised the first time I saw that it asked if I wanted to leave a tip of $1, $2, or $3 on my $4.50 coffee, $5 because I pay the fee for using a CC. I thought the tip thing excessive and felt a little pressured. I didn't tip the first two times but I did the third time I went.
Post by downtoearth on Feb 2, 2015 11:42:29 GMT -5
I do what itsme does - intermittent tipping. I usually go to the same place and every 3rd time or so I tip the $1 on their ipad-POS system. Otherwise, I just hit the no-thanks without feeling guilty. I also tip a lot more on the POS ipad service at our local brewery... but I think has to do more with drinking alcohol, which makes me feel generous than at the coffee shop where I just want coffee.
I just...I don't care. Take my dollar. Whatever. I don't see the big deal. I don't know any servers who would prefer a living wage and no tips.
The big deal is that it's really over the top who's expected to be tipped now. The trips I've been on have really hammered home the vast amounts of people I felt like I was expected to tip:
--hair stylist, for not doing a bad job on my hair --shuttle guy who took me to the airport from the parking lot --shuttle guy who took me from the airport to my hotel --valet parking attendant, for bringing me my car --hotel staff --wait staff --and now, baristas
I'm not saying these jobs are paid well, or that it's right they're paid such low wages, but it's a little wearing having to constantly wonder, is this someone whose paycheck I'm expected to subsidize or not?
There are positions that have always been tipped, though. I mean, maybe more people are going to salons vs. barbers or home haircuts than they were a few decades ago. Maybe valet parking is more readily available and/or people travel more, so it seems like you're tipping all the time. And god knows no one bought lattes 30 years ago. But it's not like these positions all of a sudden made up the fact that they need a tip (unlike fast food workers and a few others, I will grant you).
But hey, you don't have to check in/check your luggage with a skycap anymore, so I guess a more automated society has also decreased tipping in a way. Same with Uber. Fuck if I'm pulling out cash for that.
The big deal is that it's really over the top who's expected to be tipped now. The trips I've been on have really hammered home the vast amounts of people I felt like I was expected to tip:
--hair stylist, for not doing a bad job on my hair --shuttle guy who took me to the airport from the parking lot --shuttle guy who took me from the airport to my hotel --valet parking attendant, for bringing me my car --hotel staff --wait staff --and now, baristas
I'm not saying these jobs are paid well, or that it's right they're paid such low wages, but it's a little wearing having to constantly wonder, is this someone whose paycheck I'm expected to subsidize or not?
There are positions that have always been tipped, though. I mean, maybe more people are going to salons vs. barbers or home haircuts than they were a few decades ago. Maybe valet parking is more readily available and/or people travel more, so it seems like you're tipping all the time. And god knows no one bought lattes 30 years ago. But it's not like these positions all of a sudden made up the fact that they need a tip (unlike fast food workers and a few others, I will grant you).
But hey, you don't have to check in/check your luggage with a skycap anymore, so I guess a more automated society has also decreased tipping in a way. Same with Uber. Fuck if I'm pulling out cash for that.
True, but I admit, I've always wondered, "Why am I giving you a tip for cutting my hair when I'm already paying a fee for a haircut?" I feel like I'm paying twice for the same thing. I get that tips are supposed to be gratitude for doing a good job, but it's gotten to the point where you'd have to have a really, really good reason go not give a tip. Are hair stylists paid as badly as wait staff? Valets are the same. You pay for the valet service, which should include paying the people who physically drive the car, so why are we paying twice? It was particularly annoying when I went to a hotel once and valet was the only option. There was no self parking nearby.
Post by anastasia517 on Feb 2, 2015 16:38:11 GMT -5
The thing that pisses me off is when people on Facebook complain about "lousy tippers" or how you just NEED to tip your servers X%. Dude, you make $9.55+ an hour at your job serving liquor now that minimum wage went up (vs. $11/hour for non-liquor servers). Somebody tipping 10% is not being "cheap". Even with one table an hour tipping that much, you are going to be over minimum wage for other workers.
There are positions that have always been tipped, though. I mean, maybe more people are going to salons vs. barbers or home haircuts than they were a few decades ago. Maybe valet parking is more readily available and/or people travel more, so it seems like you're tipping all the time. And god knows no one bought lattes 30 years ago. But it's not like these positions all of a sudden made up the fact that they need a tip (unlike fast food workers and a few others, I will grant you).
But hey, you don't have to check in/check your luggage with a skycap anymore, so I guess a more automated society has also decreased tipping in a way. Same with Uber. Fuck if I'm pulling out cash for that.
True, but I admit, I've always wondered, "Why am I giving you a tip for cutting my hair when I'm already paying a fee for a haircut?" I feel like I'm paying twice for the same thing. I get that tips are supposed to be gratitude for doing a good job, but it's gotten to the point where you'd have to have a really, really good reason go not give a tip. Are hair stylists paid as badly as wait staff? Valets are the same. You pay for the valet service, which should include paying the people who physically drive the car, so why are we paying twice? It was particularly annoying when I went to a hotel once and valet was the only option. There was no self parking nearby.
I worked for a fancy salon when I was in college and know how stylists get paid so it always irritates me a little bit when I leave a tip at a higher end place. My stylist charges $70 for a cut and depending on the commission split and back bar charges she's most likely clearing somewhere around $30ish dollars an hour PLUS tips. I have no issues leaving a good tip for the nail tech who does my cheap pedicures or the assistant (who is likely making slightly above minimum) who applies my color, does my shampoo, and blow dry but it really bugs that I'm paying someone who makes far more than me extra for doing her job.
The thing that pisses me off is when people on Facebook complain about "lousy tippers" or how you just NEED to tip your servers X%. Dude, you make $9.55+ an hour at your job serving liquor now that minimum wage went up (vs. $11/hour for non-liquor servers). Somebody tipping 10% is not being "cheap". Even with one table an hour tipping that much, you are going to be over minimum wage for other workers.
That sounds like a dream wage for 10% tip. Here the wage for servers and bartenders is around $4. The last two states I lived in it was $2.33 an hour.
The thing that pisses me off is when people on Facebook complain about "lousy tippers" or how you just NEED to tip your servers X%. Dude, you make $9.55+ an hour at your job serving liquor now that minimum wage went up (vs. $11/hour for non-liquor servers). Somebody tipping 10% is not being "cheap". Even with one table an hour tipping that much, you are going to be over minimum wage for other workers.
I think bitching about it is tacky as hell. I make $2.17/hr. You'll never see me posting bitchy shit about how much people "should" tip. Sure, I'll bitch about it in private but dude, it's my job, this is the pay structure, the.end.
Post by anastasia517 on Feb 3, 2015 0:14:51 GMT -5
Exactly. I can understand being frustrated or annoyed with specific customers, as I assume anybody who has ever had to interact with humans on a regular basis can. However, sharing something written from the standpoint of somebody living in an area where you are literally only making a couple dollars an hour and comparing it to you making close to ten is laughable. If you are making $2/hr, a slew of lousy tippers might mean you literally spent more on gas to get to work than you earned. Even getting "only" $3 on a $30 tab will still put you over $12/hr. It's not a good wage by any means, but it is still more than somebody working at a grocery store or at the mall is making here and light years ahead of servers in some states.
The thing that pisses me off is when people on Facebook complain about "lousy tippers" or how you just NEED to tip your servers X%. Dude, you make $9.55+ an hour at your job serving liquor now that minimum wage went up (vs. $11/hour for non-liquor servers). Somebody tipping 10% is not being "cheap". Even with one table an hour tipping that much, you are going to be over minimum wage for other workers.
That sounds like a dream wage for 10% tip. Here the wage for servers and bartenders is around $4. The last two states I lived in it was $2.33 an hour.
And I don't think it's fair to expect customer to know wage laws and going rates in every state and locality so that they can make up employees wages so their employers don't have to. Which is why the whole system is terrible.