I'm really sorry. They suck. I wish I had something better to say, but this stuff makes me so angry at companies who are ruthless just so they can make more profits.
Post by onomatopoeia on Mar 5, 2015 10:26:53 GMT -5
I'm sorry. Some companies suck. DH was laid off in 2009 and one of the things they cited was that he took a week long vacation during the company's busiest time of year. It was the week our son was born, which he had informed them of well in advance, and which he was available 24-7 on his phone and laptop. Too bad so sad, he obviously wasn't "invested in the success of the organization".
There definitely seems to be something illegal in there, that really sucks
I work for an insurance company too but mine seems to be overall a pretty good place to be. Tell your mom's friend to send her resume (if she really wants to I can PM you the company).
Utterly infuriating. My dad got laid off a few years ago after more than 20 years at an insurance company. It's really not easy for a 55 year old to get hired but he finally found something similar recently.
Post by everythingsshinyap on Mar 5, 2015 10:35:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry. Stories like this make me feel so sad and angry. And also just incredibly helpless, because a great many of us are at the mercy of the whims of similar companies. I hope your friend is able to find success and greater happiness with this forced transition.
This sounds so incredibly like the company I work for that I'm wondering if it's the same one. I'm sorry your friend was treated so shitty like that. I hope she has some kind of recourse because that's just not right.
Post by captainobvious on Mar 5, 2015 11:13:13 GMT -5
If her leave was designated as FMLA leave, she may be able to file a claim against her former employer.
(From the DOL website) For additional information, call our toll-free information and helpline, available 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. in your time zone, 1-866-4-USWAGE (1-866-487-9243).
If her leave was designated as FMLA leave, she may be able to file a claim against her former employer.
(From the DOL website) For additional information, call our toll-free information and helpline, available 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. in your time zone, 1-866-4-USWAGE (1-866-487-9243).
Yes. It's time to consult someone because if the company is THAT large, FMLA rules apply. 6 months exceeds the limits of FMLA, but this is shady as fuck.
If her leave was designated as FMLA leave, she may be able to file a claim against her former employer.
(From the DOL website) For additional information, call our toll-free information and helpline, available 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. in your time zone, 1-866-4-USWAGE (1-866-487-9243).
Yes. It's time to consult someone because if the company is THAT large, FMLA rules apply. 6 months exceeds the limits of FMLA, but this is shady as fuck.
Agreed. It can't have all been FMLA because the max is 12 weeks, but if she was approved for short term disability from the company, which is almost always the case since it's hard to get short term disability insurance not through an employer, then I would say she definitely has a good reason to speak with an employment attorney.
This is so, so illegal. The company approved it? She had STD? She probably took FMLA for more than half of it?
Go full-bore on these assholes. This is like classic textbook shit.
The only what-if is her taking longer than 12 weeks, but since it was approved by the company (and as long as that is in writing somewhere), it shouldn't make a huge difference.
ETA: I'm not a finance person, but do you think they lay off people every year in order to up their "profit"? Sounds like something appropriately shady.
Agree that your mom's friend needs to pursue a claim. The EEOC can help. They were dumb enough to tell her outright that they were laying her off for taking leave? Ridiculous.
If her leave was designated as FMLA leave, she may be able to file a claim against her former employer.
(From the DOL website) For additional information, call our toll-free information and helpline, available 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. in your time zone, 1-866-4-USWAGE (1-866-487-9243).
Yes. It's time to consult someone because if the company is THAT large, FMLA rules apply. 6 months exceeds the limits of FMLA, but this is shady as fuck.
Plus, depending on the illness/condition the ADA could have kicked in after FMLA ran out.
I fucking hate insurance companies. My H works for one too, and they're trying to do layoffs too. He got his review yesterday and it mentions that he took a day off during a really busy time and his boss had to handle one of his cases. Where was he that day? Taking care of ME at the hospital while I was having a m/c. Which his supervisors knew about. Assholes.
Nugget, I live in the same area as you and work in HR, and have a good network. If you PM me the company I can reach out and see if I know anyone in the field.
Dude, corporate America in Twin Cities has not been doing well wrt jobs lately. Which is hilarious given all these initiatives trying to attract and retain talent.
I'm so sorry for your family friend.
If it's the one I think it is, they have been restructuring like crazy.
Just like every F500 company here. Let's here it for the shareholders.
A similar thing happened at H's old company. Froze everyone's salary and denied promotions while hiring a new exec at 2x the salary of the previous one. And they wondered why people were miserable there.
Post by catwithspots on Mar 5, 2015 13:15:22 GMT -5
She may have a very strong case if she wants to pursue something. She was on approve medical leave through short or long term disability leave? Then this time cannot be held against her for review purposes; her review period can only consist of the actually work time (6 months). There are shady ways to sneak a lower rating in...but if she is informed, she can navigate this.
Or have her attorney explain this to them!
I HATE shady HR moves. Hate, hate, hate...
with 31 years with the company, she would have significant amount long term paid leave as part of her benefits, which are hers to use as she needs.
Crazy, you would think that she would have been given protected leave for that, especially since she got approval for it. When I need to take medical leave, I have to sign a form stating whether it's considered Protected Leave or Unprotected. That way I know crystal clear whether my stuff will still be there when I return or if it will waiting for me in a file box.
I'm assuming it's not the same insurance company that put me on a performance plan when DH had foot surgery (FMLA protections), I wasn't yet diagnosed with diabetes but was displaying symptoms (which they KNEW about, since a primary one was my vision at the time, so FMLA), the girls were placed with us so I was working 4 days/week so I could take them to their DSHS-mandated counseling (which they knew about, and protected under state law), and I was covering for someone on maternity leave as well as my desk for three months (so 150% of the work on 80% of the schedule). And my boss was such a bitch that she ran off multiple employees with 9-15 years of experience and one with 2-3 years experience ended up having to have his heart monitored (telephonically) every time he had a meeting with her.
I think that corporate CEOs are TOO highly compensated - very much too highly compensated. It's a bunch of CEOs on boards approving salaries for other CEOs on the same boards, so they're approving each other's salaries in order to improve their own. A bunch of self-serving greedy muckety-mucks. There is no reason the labor should be struggling while the CEOs have to figure out how and where to spend their excess, while patting themselves and their fellow board members on their collective backs and admiring their collections. And since most of this income is in shares, there's further incentive for them to lay people off and shore up the share price.
Where the eff did commerce and manufacturing and American Pride go?
If you're a founder, you get a pass. Ownership shares are different from up-the-ranks or fancy-label-school management in an already established company. Nobody running an already large company deserves $30M when they're letting people go.
She may have a very strong case if she wants to pursue something. She was on approve medical leave through short or long term disability leave? Then this time cannot be held against her for review purposes; her review period can only consist of the actually work time (6 months). There are shady ways to sneak a lower rating in...but if she is informed, she can navigate this.
Or have her attorney explain this to them!
I HATE shady HR moves. Hate, hate, hate...
with 31 years with the company, she would have significant amount long term paid leave as part of her benefits, which are hers to use as she needs.
ugh
TRUTH. She should be evaluated for the 6 months she was there, not the calendar year when she was on protected leave for part of it.