Post by pinkdutchtulips on Mar 6, 2015 15:48:45 GMT -5
my sister prior to prices spiraling out of control for the event followed by the arrival of my niece was a regular attendee at Burning Man along w/ her now h.
they do their trek into the desert, do who knows what .. take some pretty cool pictures then go back to reality. they always had fascinating stories to tell and to them it was never a drug fueled party in the desert.
BM isn't for everyone and I have ZERO desire to go and neither do they until their dd is old enough to 1- either go w/ them or 2- be out of the house.
One of the richest people in CO goes to BM. I only know this because last year the costume shop sold most of the people going with her pirate costumes. So they could ride around on a giant pirate ship. In the desert.
As a whole, I'm not going to judge. They're not trashing the environment that they're in, even if it does consume resources to get there. It's pretty spectacular that so many people can co-exist and not create a mountain of trash that they leave behind.
Post by alleinesein on Mar 6, 2015 16:05:24 GMT -5
I hate camping and I hate being dirty but I would totally go. I have a few friends that go every year and one friend who is a Ranger. They have an entire village at BM devoted to bacon...whats not to love?!?!?!
I hate camping and I hate being dirty but I would totally go. I have a few friends that go every year and one friend who is a Ranger. They have an entire village at BM devoted to bacon...whats not to love?!?!?!
LOL
A yarn, coffee, kitten and cupcake party couldn't get me to camp.
BlondeSpiders - real burner here too. Been going since 2009 and definitely have seen the change. I even went when pregnant with my oldest. Not going this year (sending H alone) because we'll have a 4 month old at the time of the Burn.
To truly describe Burning Man is like trying to describe the color blue to someone who has been blind their whole life. It's something you need to experience to understand fully. For every Burner it's something different. It's spiritual, it's a party, it's a chance to do nothing but see awesome art or create it. It's a chance to be free of judgement. It's a chance to create the event that you want it to be by your participation.
Yes, there are people who are only there for the party scene. But there are thousands of people who are there for everything else that is offered.
The summer after my dad died, I went to one of the Jewish camps so that I could say Kaddish for him with a congregation. I sob and leave notes and thoughts at The Temple. I take in the truly incredible art that people create. I enjoy the events and lectures that different camps put on. I enjoy being a part of a community that disappears without a trace after a week.
It's not for everyone. For those of us who it *is* for, it is life changing.
I'm sorry, but really? REALLY? This is why people think it's a bunch of hipster hippie nonsense.
I guess I don't see radical inclusion in something that clearly requires a significant amount of effort and resources to attend. And I don't see leave no trace as 60,000 people using up energy to get to the desert and using resources to create camps and showers and burning a whole bunch of stuff that doesn't need to be burned. And come on. I am LOL-ing the fuck out of being able to buy nothing but coffee drinks. How is that radical self reliance? Bring your own damn coffee and brew it the way people did thousands of years ago.
I mean, if people enjoy it, great, go for it. But I have no doubt that people could create inclusive communities of art without Burning Man.
Which brings me back to my original point - I don't think it's the admission price that is keeping anybody from going. The idea that a $190 ticket plus the travel costs, supplies, and time off work is "low income" is so patently absurd.
Aside from the eye-rolling I have when the few people I know who have gone wax on about how BM is pretty much the most awesome thing ever, all of this.
Anything that involves that much money, effort, resources, time off work, etc. is really reaching when it comes to being inclusive. Shit, I have a decent job and I can't afford to get all the supplies I would need and then take a few weeks off and hoof off to the desert on top of that.
I have friends who go every year. There is a fairly significant burner community here because of the proximity. I would go if someone bought be a ticket and said all I had to do was pack.
It's not really my thing, but I can respect that it's an experience I couldn't understand unless I went. The friends I have who have done it are not space cadets. They're designers, professors, baristas, chefs, project managers, retail employees, scientists, carpenters. On the whole, my friends are skeptics. All of them have had experiences there they would call "life changing."
Sure, it's out of reach for someone who decides they want to when tickets go on sale. But a lot of people go every year, pool their resources and prepare their camp bit by bit for months, and generally treat it like their yearly vacation. They prioritize for it. I think discounted tickets are a token at best, but it's not out of reach for everyone without a large disposable income. Some people make a huge production out of it, but not everyone does.
BlondeSpiders - real burner here too. Been going since 2009 and definitely have seen the change. I even went when pregnant with my oldest. Not going this year (sending H alone) because we'll have a 4 month old at the time of the Burn.
To truly describe Burning Man is like trying to describe the color blue to someone who has been blind their whole life. It's something you need to experience to understand fully. For every Burner it's something different. It's spiritual, it's a party, it's a chance to do nothing but see awesome art or create it. It's a chance to be free of judgement. It's a chance to create the event that you want it to be by your participation.
Yes, there are people who are only there for the party scene. But there are thousands of people who are there for everything else that is offered.
The summer after my dad died, I went to one of the Jewish camps so that I could say Kaddish for him with a congregation. I sob and leave notes and thoughts at The Temple. I take in the truly incredible art that people create. I enjoy the events and lectures that different camps put on. I enjoy being a part of a community that disappears without a trace after a week.
It's not for everyone. For those of us who it *is* for, it is life changing.
I'm sorry, but really? REALLY? This is why people think it's a bunch of hipster hippie nonsense.
Hey now! Lots of hipster hippie nonsense must be experienced to be understood. Like the Acid Tests, or a Dead show, or a killer Reba jam. I grew up in the fucking desert and the LAST thing I'm going to do is camp on a dry lake bed in NV in the summer. Sober. I understand that I'm probably missing out on a transformative experience, but im okay with that.
I honestly can't think of anything worse and anything I would enjoy less.
But I did love Disney World and could probably become a weirdo Disney freak, which also isn't for everyone. So if people enjoy it, carry on.
We have friends who go to Bonnaroo every year which is another thing I will never do or understand the appeal of. Basically it camping and large groups of people are invovled, I'm going to take a hard pass.
...I say this, though, while planning a trip to this summer's Oregon Country Fair (link to GIS, which probably has some NWFW images)... kind of the hippie-dippie family-friendly tie-dyed version of Burning Man.... so, I get it, I totally get it... but Burning Man seems to have become something else, something I don't really get...
Have you been before? It's awesome - you guys will love it!
...I say this, though, while planning a trip to this summer's Oregon Country Fair (link to GIS, which probably has some NWFW images)... kind of the hippie-dippie family-friendly tie-dyed version of Burning Man.... so, I get it, I totally get it... but Burning Man seems to have become something else, something I don't really get...
Have you been before? It's awesome - you guys will love it!
we haven't. I think we're going with my college roommate and her family, who live in the Portland area. They haven't been, either, so it'll be a fun hippie-family thing.