yeah but I don't have a boy so it isn't necessarily going to come up lol. Seriously, this is totally my issue but I don't like them so I won't allow gun play until/unless she learns it somewhere else. Then I'll cross that bridge. But seeing as most of dh 's family hunts, I'm sure it will come up eventually. But that's also part of it, they treat guns like toys and I want her to know that's not what they are.
I think this is a great point too -- if your kid is already surrounded by less than great influences on the topic, no need to add fuel to the fire, especially if they aren't asking for it.
I guess just living where I do I have to assume everyone owns guns (my parents never has and I was not raised this way). If you a part of a family that owns guns I think gun safety needs to start young. Our kids have never and will not for a long time see our guns. We still preach gun safety whenever possible.
See but this gets me irritated. You are already assuming he won't be successful you have him and he school already failing before you give it a shot. It's like you are setting him up for failure.
DD has three kids in her class on the spectrum I am extremely pleased with the school and how they help these kids, so are their parents.
I think we all need to be advocates for our kids. If you go into a situation expecting something to be bad it will. Public school often provides way more resources and professional help than you will find anywhere else.
Yeah I'm not fighting about this today. You obviously know my kid, our local school and what I've been doing to prepare for starting school much better than I do.
Wow touchy much? I still think assuming something is going to suck and not giving it a chance isn't fair to your child or the school. Of course you know your child and schools better. It's just the general assumptions that most schools suck that bothers me. I am not saying you are making this assumption but I see it a lot.
Yeah I'm not fighting about this today. You obviously know my kid, our local school and what I've been doing to prepare for starting school much better than I do.
Wow touchy much? I still think assuming something is going to suck and not giving it a chance isn't fair to your child or the school. Of course you know your child and schools better. It's just the general assumptions that most schools suck that bothers me. I am not saying you are making this assumption but I see it a lot.
Well I dont appreciate your insinuation that I've just blindly decided the school is going to suck. I never said most schools suck. I was speaking about my kid and my local school.
Wow touchy much? I still think assuming something is going to suck and not giving it a chance isn't fair to your child or the school. Of course you know your child and schools better. It's just the general assumptions that most schools suck that bothers me. I am not saying you are making this assumption but I see it a lot.
Well I dont appreciate your insinuation that I've just blindly decided the school is going to suck. I never said most schools suck. I was speaking about my kid and my local school.
Okay I apologize, but can I ask how you already know these schools would be a bad fit or that they won't meet his needs? I am curious what as educators we are doing wrong to make parents feel like this.
Que, I think the point is that you really don't know until you are there - barring some horrendous school district or something like that. I think that is fair based on what you said. Of course no one knows the intricacies of your situation, child or school. We only know what we share, etc.
Like AG said, if there is a real need for something special or different, public school is the place to be.
Anyway, Lala I get it. Yes we won't truly know until we start. I had a whole post typed up but never posted it because I don't need to broadcast our business for the whole world to see. However, I stand by my opinion.
Post by amynumbers on Mar 26, 2015 11:53:09 GMT -5
I am going to ammend my private school thoughts -- obviously it is one thing if you are considering a school that specifically caters to special needs. I think the danger is when people say "My child really needs the smaller class size and XYZ environment of such and such private school".
Because that school can and often will bounce your kid -- there is zero incentive for private schools to accomodate. Some will to a certain extent if your are in a competitive private school area and they aren't the top of the heap school and need numbers (and tuition dollars). But really, when it becomes an issue, you will get bounced.
DS was gun crazy for a bit. I didn't forbid anything, but I let him know that I don't like guns at all. It passed. He still does pretend play with guns/weapons occasionally with friends, but at a level I am comfortable with.
He is also getting some water guns in his Easter basket
Amy, one iof my neighbors works for Ooen Connections and her kids attend. Still not something I am remotely interested in, but it definitely is more of a co-op than traditional homeschooling.
DS was gun crazy for a bit. I didn't forbid anything, but I let him know that I don't like guns at all. It passed. He still does pretend play with guns/weapons occasionally with friends, but at a level I am comfortable with.
He is also getting some water guns in his Easter basket
Amy, one iof my neighbors works for Ooen Connections and her kids attend. Still not something I am remotely interested in, but it definitely is more of a co-op than traditional homeschooling.
Yeah, I think it involves a level of parent teaching I am not down with for myself -- the impression I got is that it was for socialization and then student driven experiences that parents feel they can't provide for whatever reason. The person I know, for example, her child does lots of theater stuff. You obviously can do a professional-ish production by yourself in your parents basement.
Anyway, Lala I get it. Yes we won't truly know until we start. I had a whole post typed up but never posted it because I don't need to broadcast our business for the whole world to see. However, I stand by my opinion.
Yes it's crashing for me too.
The issue I have more than anything is someone saying "oh our schools suck and I can do better" I mean how do you know that if you won't give it a fair chance? In addition to the fact that it's insulting to me that someone thinks they can do better what many educators spend years learning to do. Teaching is seriously the only profession that people think they can do better with zero training.
I am not speaking to you que I am speaking in general with homeschooling. I do have to say we are very lucky so far that our kids don't have an special educational needs, but if one day they do I just can't imagine knowing (even as a special educator) that I could provide them all the opportunities that a team of trained professionals can.
I am going to ammend my private school thoughts -- obviously it is one thing if you are considering a school that specifically caters to special needs. I think the danger is when people say "My child really needs the smaller class size and XYZ environment of such and such private school".
Because that school can and often will bounce your kid -- there is zero incentive for private schools to accomodate. Some will to a certain extent if your are in a competitive private school area and they aren't the top of the heap school and need numbers (and tuition dollars). But really, when it becomes an issue, you will get bounced.
Yes this is very important. Private schools in general suck at addressing special needs and will often kick students out when it gets hard. That in addition to the fact that they generally don't have the professionals or resources that most public schools do.
I agree and I absolutely hope you addressed that with the principal. There are shitty teachers out there no doubt. DD had one last year, so I get the frustration.
I just think it sounds like biting down the house because of a rat. One unprofessional or bad teacher doesn't make a school bad.
I am kind of surprised you already met his teacher for next year ours haven't even signed contracts. Like I said I hope you emailed the principal to address this behavior and request a different teacher. This school might be horrible and a very poor fit or you could have had a bad experience with an amazing school.
My comment about special needs was not directed at you. I made that clear. I have no idea if your son has special needs or not.
All 3 K teachers were there. But one is Spanish only.
That comment would absolutely piss me off even if she was joking it is extremely unprofessional. I would be on the phone with the principal making sure my child does not have this teacher.
My point with the SN comment was that I seriously don't know how people with kids with special needs think they can provide the same resources as a school.
My point with the SN comment was that I seriously don't know how people with kids with special needs think they can provide the same resources as a school.
And mine was, lots of people rightfully believe that private schools can be great fits for kids with special needs -- smaller classes, more creative approach to education. They are right.
My point with the SN comment was that I seriously don't know how people with kids with special needs think they can provide the same resources as a school.
And mine was, lots of people rightfully believe that private schools can be great fits for kids with special needs -- smaller classes, more creative approach to education. They are right.
Problem is, they don't have to keep you.
I already agreed with you on that point. I don't get what you are saying here?
And mine was, lots of people rightfully believe that private schools can be great fits for kids with special needs -- smaller classes, more creative approach to education. They are right.
Problem is, they don't have to keep you.
I already agreed with you on that point. I don't get what you are saying here?
OH, no you. I was just trying to clarify why I even brought up the topic. I didn't want it to be interpreted as insinuating anything about anyone's kid.
I already agreed with you on that point. I don't get what you are saying here?
OH, no you. I was just trying to clarify why I even brought up the topic. I didn't want it to be interpreted as insinuating anything about anyone's kid.
But do you think kids are constantly influenced by all the things around them? Toys are just one other thing. If adults are susceptible to subliminal messaging, of course kids are. I agree that they will encounter things in the world, but why not minimize the influences of the things you don't like in your own home. They'll get enough of it outside. I'm not advocating sheltering them. Sure, play with a Barbie at Susie's house, but I'm not proactively buying one unless it's asked for and then I'd consider.
Nope I believe people way over estimate the effects of inanimate objects and their influence on kids. I think it's ridiculous to think a Barbie at 4 is going to cause body image issues at 10. I think parents placing an over importance in these objects is silly.
Agreed. Most kids are more influenced by their parents/family. Kids hear everything you say, see everything you do. When mom or dad complains about their own body, size, looks etc. We are more influential than Barbie or Cinderella. So next time you want to censor a toy make sure you're censor yourself too. (Unless you're lookingvin the mirror doing daily affirmations):-P My kids are mirror images of me and my H, we did that.
Nope I believe people way over estimate the effects of inanimate objects and their influence on kids. I think it's ridiculous to think a Barbie at 4 is going to cause body image issues at 10. I think parents placing an over importance in these objects is silly.
Agreed. Most kids are more influenced by their parents/family. Kids hear everything you say, see everything you do. When mom or dad complains about their own body, size, looks etc. We are more influential than Barbie or Cinderella. So next time you want to censor a toy make sure you're censor yourself too. (Unless you're lookingvin the mirror doing daily affirmations):-P My kids are mirror images of me and my H, we did that.
Yep. I am more worried about my husband, myself and their peers than a plastic doll.
Post by penguingrrl on Mar 26, 2015 13:42:11 GMT -5
I'll be honest, I have always been a huge supporter of public schools but am getting very concerned lately. We're in a "good" school district (based on state rankings and the like), but all the materials that come home are from Pearson. The principal and superintendent are very rah rah about standardized test scores, but I'm seeing little creative work coming home. Both girls are doing well by measurable metrics, but aren't seeming as challenged as I would like (and Julia is not nearly as challenged this year as she was last year in our old district). It seems like as long as you're meeting the benchmark to perform well on the standardized test in this district you end up lost in the group and I'm not pleased.
That said, I am not qualified to teach any child, my own or someone else's. And even if I were, there are important social lessons learned in attending school from working with a teacher or classmate who isn't your favorite to navigating friendship issues at recess without significant adult interference.
I would love to think I could afford a really cool non-religious (or Quaker) private school, but since that will never be in the cards for us, I have to trust public education and hope that the curriculum improves from what I'm seeing right now (and if we didn't know we were moving this year we would absolutely be working with this system to improve it).
I'll be honest, I have always been a huge supporter of public schools but am getting very concerned lately. We're in a "good" school district (based on state rankings and the like), but all the materials that come home are from Pearson. The principal and superintendent are very rah rah about standardized test scores, but I'm seeing little creative work coming home. Both girls are doing well by measurable metrics, but aren't seeming as challenged as I would like (and Julia is not nearly as challenged this year as she was last year in our old district). It seems like as long as you're meeting the benchmark to perform well on the standardized test in this district you end up lost in the group and I'm not pleased.
That said, I am not qualified to teach any child, my own or someone else's. And even if I were, there are important social lessons learned in attending school from working with a teacher or classmate who isn't your favorite to navigating friendship issues at recess without significant adult interference.
I would love to think I could afford a really cool non-religious (or Quaker) private school, but since that will never be in the cards for us, I have to trust public education and hope that the curriculum improves from what I'm seeing right now (and if we didn't know we were moving this year we would absolutely be working with this system to improve it).
Speaking of, how is the hunt going? Anything promising? I've been keeping my eyes peeled for your H.
The no guns thing is my issue, I admit that. I don't think a water gun is going to turn anyone into a homicidal maniac but I don't like the idea that guns are sometimes for playing. They're not toys and I'd rather just stomp that out even if it is overboard.
But the point is especially with little boys you can't stomp that out. DS was making guns out of sticks long before we owned nerf or water guns. I have no clue where he learned this. Prohibiting toys does not stop behaviors. Unless you are going to lock your kid inside peers have way more of an influence than toys.
I am learning this with my 3yo right now. Even the oddest shape Legos become guns. My cousin has a rule that you don't aim fake guns at anyone and I kind of like that.
Nope I believe people way over estimate the effects of inanimate objects and their influence on kids. I think it's ridiculous to think a Barbie at 4 is going to cause body image issues at 10. I think parents placing an over importance in these objects is silly.
Agreed. Most kids are more influenced by their parents/family. Kids hear everything you say, see everything you do. When mom or dad complains about their own body, size, looks etc. We are more influential than Barbie or Cinderella. So next time you want to censor a toy make sure you're censor yourself too. (Unless you're lookingvin the mirror doing daily affirmations):-P My kids are mirror images of me and my H, we did that.
I don't disagree with this point. But why buy Barbie or whatever? Like, if it promotes something I find harmful why buy it at all and support it financially? Especially if we haven't reached a point where it's specifically requested.