Oral Arguments on Gay Marriage are TOMORROW!

[jojoandleo]

I don't know if anyone else has been following this. I am pretty excited/nervous/scared/everything. It's moments like these that I remember why I went to law school (Even though I don't practice anything near civil rights law and in fact my lowest grade in law school was Constitutional Law, lol).  I just find it so exciting to hear what both sides have to say.

A part of me can understand the "states rights" bits.  BUT, the fact is, the states are denying rights to a group of people for no good reason.  If we were going to say States get to define marriage, period, Loving v. Virginia would have turned out completely different.  We have already made marriage a RIGHT, and you cannot deny people that right because you, or your religion, finds it icky.  Many religions find divorce icky, but no one is rushing to court to have it declared illegal.

Anyone else excited?  I wish I was in DC and could go watch them!  My uncle lives there and couldn't get a seat.     

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I'm super excited and I didn't realize it was already here! I have a few friends who live in DC and are very active in this. I wonder if they are going.

[jojoandleo]

Apr 27, 2015 12:35:18 GMT -5 @pdx18 said:

I'm super excited and I didn't realize it was already here! I have a few friends who live in DC and are very active in this. I wonder if they are going.

I will be super jealous if they are. I think THE celebrity meeting for me would be RBG.  Followed by Sottomayor. I do love Sottomayor's third party exposure doctrine.

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I have my champagne glass waiting. I really hate how much our government is controlled by people who can't look up from the fictional onion paper long enough to see it isn't working.

[idahome]

I'm excited about this and I agree with jojoandleo: these big ticket cases are the reason I went to law school. My little law school in Idaho puts on a big lecture series and one year I got to hear RBG and have dinner with her...AMAZING!

I'll have to stream the news tomorrow at work, I think.

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jojoandleo they are pretty well connected. He frequently attends parties in Nancy Pelosi's office. I just texted him to find out!

[bg]

Yes -- feeling all of the same feelings!

[prettyinpearls]

I'm excited! My gross state has a ban and obviously I find that disgusting. I'd love to see it reversed.

[bl]

I don't know as much about it as all you ladies, but I just cannot understand denying a group of people a human right, so I am definitely interested.

[abcdefu]

Apr 27, 2015 12:20:04 GMT -5 jojoandleo said:

I don't know if anyone else has been following this. I am pretty excited/nervous/scared/everything. It's moments like these that I remember why I went to law school (Even though I don't practice anything near civil rights law and in fact my lowest grade in law school was Constitutional Law, lol).  I just find it so exciting to hear what both sides have to say.

A part of me can understand the "states rights" bits.  BUT, the fact is, the states are denying rights to a group of people for no good reason.  If we were going to say States get to define marriage, period, Loving v. Virginia would have turned out completely different.  We have already made marriage a RIGHT, and you cannot deny people that right because you, or your religion, finds it icky.  Many religions find divorce icky, but no one is rushing to court to have it declared illegal.

Anyone else excited?  I wish I was in DC and could go watch them!  My uncle lives there and couldn't get a seat.     

It's moments like this that I wish it made financial sense for me to go to law school! I would love to practice ADA/civil rights law! I'm excited for this! Oh and I played hooky in elementary school to watch the OJ Simpson trial and verdict! Dork status! Lol

[winecat]

I'm excited and nervous. I have only a couple of black and white issues and this is one of them. I can't wrap my brain around the problem that people have with marriage equality.

[Deleted]

::disclaimer- I don't follow politics::
Will this be on a national level vs a state to state thing?  If so, that's great. It doesn't make sense to me that two people that love each other must go to "somewhere acceptable" to get married.  

[winecat]

Apr 27, 2015 18:14:53 GMT -5 @blueyes623 said:

::disclaimer- I don't follow politics::
Will this be on a national level vs a state to state thing?  If so, that's great. It doesn't make sense to me that two people that love each other must go to "somewhere acceptable" to get married.  

I'm 99.9% certain that it will be on a national level.  I don't know the details of this case but if it is like the Loving case than it will be national.  

[jigsy]

I'm excited/scared. My gut says that it will be 5-4 to strike down the bans, but there is still that worry.
I used to work in the building next to SCOTUS, the day that DOMA was heard was one of the most awesome DC experiences. It was awesome to see so many people out supporting love and equality. And the few hateful voices there were drowned out.

[alleinesein]

Apr 27, 2015 18:14:53 GMT -5 @blueyes623 said:

::disclaimer- I don't follow politics::
Will this be on a national level vs a state to state thing?  If so, that's great. It doesn't make sense to me that two people that love each other must go to "somewhere acceptable" to get married.  

Its on the national level.  The case is Obergefell v. Hodges.

www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/04/27/402456198/legal-battle-over-gay-marriage-hits-the-supreme-court-tuesday 

Tuesday's arguments will be divided into two parts. The first, set for 90 minutes, is on whether the Constitution's guarantees of due process and equal protection under the law mean states must allow gay couples to marry. The second, scheduled for an hour, concerns whether states must recognize same-sex marriages that take place out-of-state.



The legal repercussions for same-sex couples are broad, affecting not just their right to marry but also their right to be recognized as a spouse or parent on birth and death certificates and other legal papers.

[jojoandleo]

Apr 27, 2015 23:15:27 GMT -5 jigsy said:

I'm excited/scared. My gut says that it will be 5-4 to strike down the bans, but there is still that worry.
I used to work in the building next to SCOTUS, the day that DOMA was heard was one of the most awesome DC experiences. It was awesome to see so many people out supporting love and equality. And the few hateful voices there were drowned out.

I'm nervous too. Some of Kennedy's language in the DOMA case makes me scared. The thing is- we have ALREADY stated marriage is a right. Yet are denying this right to two, consenting adults. You need a valid reason to do so. I can't imagine the court can NOW say the states get to define marriage after already declaring a right to marry.

[bl]

Is there a link to listen to it?

[Deleted]

When do we get a decision? Today? Later?

ETA:  Okay, I see where plaintiffs argue tomorrow.  

[Deleted]

Apr 28, 2015 6:48:12 GMT -5 bl said:

Is there a link to listen to it?

Audio:  www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/28/us/same-sex-marriage-supreme-court-excerpts.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000&_r=0

Liveblog:  www.scotusblog.com/ 

[bl]

Apr 28, 2015 13:17:33 GMT -5 @bigtowlittletoe said:

Apr 28, 2015 6:48:12 GMT -5 bl said:

Is there a link to listen to it?

Audio:  www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/28/us/same-sex-marriage-supreme-court-excerpts.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000&_r=0

Liveblog:  www.scotusblog.com/ 

Thank you, and I think the final decision isn't until June. 

[jojoandleo]

Apr 28, 2015 13:16:05 GMT -5 @bigtowlittletoe said:

When do we get a decision? Today? Later?

ETA:  Okay, I see where plaintiffs argue tomorrow.  

It won't come out until around June. The Justices (clerks) have to type up 100 pages of opinions to torture law students in the future with.

[Deleted]

BUT I WANT AN ORAL PRONOUNCEMENT TODAY!!!!

[jojoandleo]

Apr 28, 2015 13:44:55 GMT -5 @bigtowlittletoe said:

BUT I WANT AN ORAL PRONOUNCEMENT TODAY!!!!

ME TOO! You can read this to see how the judges questioned. It went pretty straight down party lines with Kennedy questioning both sides. That asshole.

blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/04/28/live-blog-gay-marriage-arguments-at-supreme-court-tuesday/

[idahome]

Apr 28, 2015 14:06:56 GMT -5 jojoandleo said:

Apr 28, 2015 13:44:55 GMT -5 @bigtowlittletoe said:

BUT I WANT AN ORAL PRONOUNCEMENT TODAY!!!!

ME TOO! You can read this to see how the judges questioned. It went pretty straight down party lines with Kennedy questioning both sides. That asshole.

blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/04/28/live-blog-gay-marriage-arguments-at-supreme-court-tuesday/

Typical Kennedy.

[jojoandleo]

Apr 28, 2015 16:36:46 GMT -5 idahome said:

Apr 28, 2015 14:06:56 GMT -5 jojoandleo said:

ME TOO! You can read this to see how the judges questioned. It went pretty straight down party lines with Kennedy questioning both sides. That asshole.

blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/04/28/live-blog-gay-marriage-arguments-at-supreme-court-tuesday/

Typical Kennedy.

Yup. Roberts kinda acted similar. Roberts is also kind of a wild card because I SWEAR he picks a side based on what he had for breakfast. "Well, I had eggs and Bacon. Women have eggs and bacon is KIND of Phallic, if you really try and make it that way. Marriage should only be man and woman!" "Today I had an English muffin with jam like those English fellows who talk funny. They totally deserve to get married! GO GAY MARRIAGE!"