For a family that was so shielded from TV/Media/Magazines, how on earth would a 14 yo boy even know what to do? You would think they would know right from wrong x10 and I wonder if he himself had been touched before inappropriately as a young child… and that has yet to come out…?
And my guess is TLC keeps the show b/c everyone likes it but Josh & Anna are no longer ever on the show….
I am more disgusted by Jim Bob and Michelle.
yeah the entire situation is just sick and to think there were multiple victims over the course of a long time is awful and the parents did nothing, I wonder why they finally did something and went to the police after waiting so long -- blackmail?
You know, I've been typing and deleting because I don't know how to react.
I feel so many feelings for those girls and what they've gone through and what they'll continue to go through because of all of this.
This same situation happened to me, minus the 16 kids, and the fundie beliefs. I'm cringing at the fact that some of you think it would be impossible to forgive an abuser. I know I'm completely projecting my situation but I'm curious to hear your opinions on this:
- Take away the Duggar stigma
- Take away their fundie beliefs
What are you opinions of forgiving an abuser?
Having a some-what health relationship with an abuser?
I have been there. It was my cousin, and he molested me while I slept. He confessed, and my dad, aunt, and uncle all knew.
Don't care. He can die in a fucking fire. I don't forgive him, and won't, likely, ever. I have seen him at multiple family gatherings and he knows that if he ever speaks to me or my children, I will sit his wife down and tell her all of the vile things he did to me. Fuck him.
Granted, no one told me I *had* to forgive him. I've had plenty of therapy, but the concept of forgiveness never really came up. I have no desire or compunction to forgive him, but I'm not sure that forgiveness is impossible.
These poor girls haven't even been given a choice.
I've only made it to like page seven and will read the rest, but holy hell is this fucked up. I was sexually abused by my cousin (female) who is only one year older than me and it has totally screwed me and my perception of myself, to be molested by a sibling and then having to "forgive" them and move on like a normal family, I ... I just can't. It makes me sick.
You know, I've been typing and deleting because I don't know how to react.
I feel so many feelings for those girls and what they've gone through and what they'll continue to go through because of all of this.
This same situation happened to me, minus the 16 kids, and the fundie beliefs. I'm cringing at the fact that some of you think it would be impossible to forgive an abuser. I know I'm completely projecting my situation but I'm curious to hear your opinions on this:
- Take away the Duggar stigma
- Take away their fundie beliefs
What are you opinions of forgiving an abuser?
Having a some-what health relationship with an abuser?
I'm so sorry that you had to go through that, but I will stand by the sentiment that I would never forgive, or understand forgiving the abuser and your statement about cringing at those not being able to forgive really kind of pisses me off. I am "forced" by some fucked up family dynamics where I have to interact with my cousin who sexually abused me and somehow she is still the "better one" and it has contributed to my lack of self esteem to the point I think every single day that I'm fat and ugly.
What he did was horrible, but he was a minor. I'm stuck on the whole minor criminal records being separated from adult criminal records thing.
I feel so bad for his sisters too. This can never be undone and now they get to be humiliated all over again.
Are you kidding me? I know I've already said I haven't made it to the end and this could have been addressed/resolved, but are you kidding me? Because he was a minor it makes it easier for you to dismiss? I was a minor and sexually abused by a minor and it has really fucked me up - age shouldn't fucking matter if someone is being sexually abused - at any age its abuse. Jesus. I might have to sign off.
I've only made it to like page seven and will read the rest, but holy hell is this fucked up. I was sexually abused by my cousin (female) who is only one year older than me and it has totally screwed me and my perception of myself, to be molested by a sibling and then having to "forgive" them and move on like a normal family, I ... I just can't. It makes me sick.
You just know the "he made a mistake!" People would be the first to protest and chase a registered sex offender out of their neighbourhood. Difference being that guy probably had consensual sex with his 15 year old gf when he was barely 17. Or you know, not actually a dangerous predator.
What he did was horrible, but he was a minor. I'm stuck on the whole minor criminal records being separated from adult criminal records thing.
I feel so bad for his sisters too. This can never be undone and now they get to be humiliated all over again.
Are you kidding me? I know I've already said I haven't made it to the end and this could have been addressed/resolved, but are you kidding me? Because he was a minor it makes it easier for you to dismiss? I was a minor and sexually abused by a minor and it has really fucked me up - age shouldn't fucking matter if someone is being sexually abused - at any age its abuse. Jesus. I might have to sign off.
Not at all. I just wonder if the records of crimes of a minor should be accessible to the public.
You just know the "he made a mistake!" People would be the first to protest and chase a registered sex offender out of their neighbourhood. Difference being that guy probably had consensual sex with his 15 year old gf when he was barely 17. Or you know, not actually a dangerous predator.
I'm actually in agreement with you that the sex offender registry is too broad in who it includes, but what you just said makes no sense.
Just to give some context for how fundies deal with sexual abuse. There's this guy, Jack Chick, who write "tracts" which are pamphlets that people leave places so they'll be found and read. Fundies, including the Duggars, love tracts. This is one about molestation: scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/4530227.html
Could his parents not be charged for covering a crime? The whole thing is so sad and disgusting. Truly this whole situation just proves their arrogance on many levels.
Just to give some context for how fundies deal with sexual abuse. There's this guy, Jack Chick, who write "tracts" which are pamphlets that people leave places so they'll be found and read. Fundies, including the Duggars, love tracts. This is one about molestation: scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/4530227.html
Also if they had actually gone to a certified counselor that person would have to report the abuse right? they can't just keep that silent?
So that just proves even more that they went to some wackadoo church person who told them to keep nice.
Yes! Confidentiality does not apply in this situation. The counselor would have had a duty to report to cps/dss. The other sad thing is they had no one else to tell outside of their church.
Just to give some context for how fundies deal with sexual abuse. There's this guy, Jack Chick, who write "tracts" which are pamphlets that people leave places so they'll be found and read. Fundies, including the Duggars, love tracts. This is one about molestation: scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/4530227.html
This makes me so ill, and I just feel like they are going to get away with this with no consequences. There's nothing that can be done legally. All of their fans are already spinning it as a tale of God's redemption, which will probably make them even more popular. Nauseating. I can't imagine how it makes abuse survivors feel to see this get swept under the rug. Fuck them and the whole structure they and their church has built to make people believe that this is OK. My only small hope is that, now that this is public, one or more of the girls might be able to get out and live differently if that is what they want. I'd GoFundMe a Duggar women rescue fund in a hot second - an apartment, counseling, college classes, job placement. Fuck.
100% this. I hope the other kids can get out, or at the least have a chance to get some counseling. This family is sickening and their latest statement to the press just shows how out of touch with reality they all are. Reading Anna's reply give me chills, she really believes what she is saying. So sad.
Just to give some context for how fundies deal with sexual abuse. There's this guy, Jack Chick, who write "tracts" which are pamphlets that people leave places so they'll be found and read. Fundies, including the Duggars, love tracts. This is one about molestation: scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/4530227.html
Do not read this without a trashcan nearby.
Well, that was awful. I was picturing a teen girl, that last frame killed me.
Eta: not saying gang raping your teenager is better, but holy shit. Just pray it away in 10mins!
Just to give some context for how fundies deal with sexual abuse. There's this guy, Jack Chick, who write "tracts" which are pamphlets that people leave places so they'll be found and read. Fundies, including the Duggars, love tracts. This is one about molestation: scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/4530227.html
Do not read this without a trashcan nearby.
OMG. That is the sickest thing I've ever seen.
Like I said upthread, this is just the beginning. Jack Chick has written hundreds of these. About abortion, teh gayz, Muslims, Catholics. No one is safe from it.
I wonder if the older girls are scared of Josh and scared to come out and speak the truth. I also agree it is why Jana pry still lives at home is to protect the little ones. Even though the parents seem to make the older girls do most of the work around there anyway.
She's saying that people who would go pitchforks and torches over a 17 yr old guy who had consensual sex with his 15 yr old girlfriend and was on the sex offender registry are the people now defending a guy who fondled children. I think it makes perfect sense.
It does. It's kind of like when people who don't support women having dominion over their own uteruses think it's perfectly acceptable to offer to adopt a baby from someone who doesn't intend to have that baby. It's about having zero awareness and perspective. Stella's you're all up in this thread trying to make it all ok somehow for this family who's wholesomeness you so enjoy. It's gross and you're hurting and offending people. Stop.
I don't think I'm trying to make it ok at all. Apparently expressing discomfort with the release of these documents to the public = defending a child molester. H'ok.
And I'm impressed you held your "trump" in for so long. You must feel much better now.
I'm thoroughly grossed out by the whole thing, including the Duggar family. I'm also uncomfortable with how much of a spectacle this is, but they brought it upon themselves to a degree. So, I dunno.
Like I said upthread, this is just the beginning. Jack Chick has written hundreds of these. About abortion, teh gayz, Muslims, Catholics. No one is safe from it.
I think the one about how Catholics are actually unknowingly worshipping an ancient sun god, and the veneration of saints means they are not abiding by the first commandment, so they are actually heretics is my favorite. It's been a long time since I've read Chick tracts, because that man just seems to have so much anger. It feeds into the fundie persecution complex - no one is as good of a Christian as they are! Ben Seewald is extremely antiCatholic and has gone on social media rants about it. Go figure.
Just to give some context for how fundies deal with sexual abuse. There's this guy, Jack Chick, who write "tracts" which are pamphlets that people leave places so they'll be found and read. Fundies, including the Duggars, love tracts. This is one about molestation: scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/4530227.html
Do not read this without a trashcan nearby.
Well, that was awful. I was picturing a teen girl, that last frame killed me.
Eta: not saying gang raping your teenager is better, but holy shit. Just pray it away in 10mins!
That's what I was expecting, not that it wouldn't still be horrific. I expected more of a "look at how grown up and *womanly* your daughter is getting." No, no. Now I know that according to them, you can just pray away the sin of raping a BABY. Awesome.