I honestly had no idea what they were about - I didn't know that they were part of this separate movement. All I knew about them was that they were fundamentalists, had a lot of kids, and that Dr. Nancy Snyderman on the Today Show once said "that uterus doesn't have much spring left in it."
That was interesting/disturbing and I didn't know much about the movement beyond the "be fruitful and multiply" part before. Those poor girls, even the ones who haven't (yet?) been molested.
I'm still torn about what to think about 14-year-old Josh. As an adult he's grown into a pretty rotten person but the parents aren't doing the boys any favors either raising them with those beliefs. His 14-year-old self needed serious help and didn't get it.
I didn't know about the Quiverfull stuff before. But I watched part of an episode when Jill was having or about to have her baby. Michelle was interviewed and said "the girls will start having babies soon. We're in the multiplication stage" It was creepy and I turned to my husband and said that it was very cult-like the way she said it. I guess I was right.
I knew a lot about the Quiverfull movement and have encountered people who were extremely conservative in biblical interpretation--that is, selectively extremely conservative. Although they claim their beliefs are solely from the Bible, they're not and are instead based on one person's interpretation of the Bible and culture. I see this attitude in people at church sometimes. There's a yearning for "the good old days"--the "Little House on the Prairie" days when "everyone" was a Christian and a relatively good person. So, taking that nostalgia as truth, they seek to recreate the time period, in hopes of achieving that perceived level of righteousness.
I know others who admire the Duggars because the image portrayed on TV is of a "good, Christian family"--one they themselves strive to be. I think that's why some people have a hard time accepting this. It's such a shock to their perceptions. They see themselves in the Duggars, and as such, can't imagine courting evil in their midst, so therefore, it must not have happened the way we're told. They rationalize it away.
I knew a lot about the Quiverfull movement and have encountered people who were extremely conservative in biblical interpretation--that is, selectively extremely conservative. Although they claim their beliefs are solely from the Bible, they're not and are instead based on one person's interpretation of the Bible and culture. I see this attitude in people at church sometimes. There's a yearning for "the good old days"--the "Little House on the Prairie" days when "everyone" was a Christian and a relatively good person. So, taking that nostalgia as truth, they seek to recreate the time period, in hopes of achieving that perceived level of righteousness.
I know others who admire the Duggars because the image portrayed on TV is of a "good, Christian family"--one they themselves strive to be. I think that's why some people have a hard time accepting this. It's such a shock to their perceptions. They see themselves in the Duggars, and as such, can't imagine courting evil in their midst, so therefore, it must not have happened the way we're told. They rationalize it away.
There's something similar within certain sects of the Hasidic Jews - right down to the clothing they wear. They aren't yearning for Little House on the Prairie of course, but for pre-war Poland when Jewish scholarship was at its "peak" (according to them, I would argue that we're currently experiencing a resurgence of Jewish scholarship that emphasizes a more liberal and inclusive view of Judaism) and everyone followed the Torah (as they think it should be followed). So they continue to wear the old Polish clothing (shockingly, not the peasant clothes, but the clothing of the "scholars") and spend their time learning Torah and Talmud instead of working, and have tons of kids and don't engage in the secular world (this is the younger generation - the older generation of Hasidim worked and made money and now their sons are living off that money instead of working and contributing to society). Some of them don't even speak English - only Yiddish. And they were born and raised in New York City (or Montreal, or Manchester, England)
I knew a lot about the Quiverfull movement and have encountered people who were extremely conservative in biblical interpretation--that is, selectively extremely conservative. Although they claim their beliefs are solely from the Bible, they're not and are instead based on one person's interpretation of the Bible and culture. I see this attitude in people at church sometimes. There's a yearning for "the good old days"--the "Little House on the Prairie" days when "everyone" was a Christian and a relatively good person. So, taking that nostalgia as truth, they seek to recreate the time period, in hopes of achieving that perceived level of righteousness.
I know others who admire the Duggars because the image portrayed on TV is of a "good, Christian family"--one they themselves strive to be. I think that's why some people have a hard time accepting this. It's such a shock to their perceptions. They see themselves in the Duggars, and as such, can't imagine courting evil in their midst, so therefore, it must not have happened the way we're told. They rationalize it away.
There's something similar within certain sects of the Hasidic Jews - right down to the clothing they wear. They aren't yearning for Little House on the Prairie of course, but for pre-war Poland when Jewish scholarship was at its "peak" (according to them, I would argue that we're currently experiencing a resurgence of Jewish scholarship that emphasizes a more liberal and inclusive view of Judaism) and everyone followed the Torah (as they think it should be followed). So they continue to wear the old Polish clothing (shockingly, not the peasant clothes, but the clothing of the "scholars") and spend their time learning Torah and Talmud instead of working, and have tons of kids and don't engage in the secular world (this is the younger generation - the older generation of Hasidim worked and made money and now their sons are living off that money instead of working and contributing to society). Some of them don't even speak English - only Yiddish. And they were born and raised in New York City (or Montreal, or Manchester, England)
I'll never understand it.
Wow, so interesting, I didn't realize they didn't work. That can't last forever!
There's something similar within certain sects of the Hasidic Jews - right down to the clothing they wear. They aren't yearning for Little House on the Prairie of course, but for pre-war Poland when Jewish scholarship was at its "peak" (according to them, I would argue that we're currently experiencing a resurgence of Jewish scholarship that emphasizes a more liberal and inclusive view of Judaism) and everyone followed the Torah (as they think it should be followed). So they continue to wear the old Polish clothing (shockingly, not the peasant clothes, but the clothing of the "scholars") and spend their time learning Torah and Talmud instead of working, and have tons of kids and don't engage in the secular world (this is the younger generation - the older generation of Hasidim worked and made money and now their sons are living off that money instead of working and contributing to society). Some of them don't even speak English - only Yiddish. And they were born and raised in New York City (or Montreal, or Manchester, England)
I'll never understand it.
Wow, so interesting, I didn't realize they didn't work. That can't last forever!
Often, the women work. So they have 9 kids and a job. And they get state help. But you're right, it's not sustainable.
I took some students to visit a very cool site in Amish country last week. The tour guide (an old order Amish man) made a great point. It isn't that the Amish reject technology--it is that they see their way of life as an ethnicity. They also aren't living the life they lead solely because of their religious theology. Some stuff (like beards) are just tradition.
To me, groups like Quiverfull miss the fact that culture and religion are never synonymous.
I knew a lot about the Quiverfull movement and have encountered people who were extremely conservative in biblical interpretation--that is, selectively extremely conservative. Although they claim their beliefs are solely from the Bible, they're not and are instead based on one person's interpretation of the Bible and culture. I see this attitude in people at church sometimes. There's a yearning for "the good old days"--the "Little House on the Prairie" days when "everyone" was a Christian and a relatively good person. So, taking that nostalgia as truth, they seek to recreate the time period, in hopes of achieving that perceived level of righteousness.
I know others who admire the Duggars because the image portrayed on TV is of a "good, Christian family"--one they themselves strive to be. I think that's why some people have a hard time accepting this. It's such a shock to their perceptions. They see themselves in the Duggars, and as such, can't imagine courting evil in their midst, so therefore, it must not have happened the way we're told. They rationalize it away.
There's something similar within certain sects of the Hasidic Jews - right down to the clothing they wear. They aren't yearning for Little House on the Prairie of course, but for pre-war Poland when Jewish scholarship was at its "peak" (according to them, I would argue that we're currently experiencing a resurgence of Jewish scholarship that emphasizes a more liberal and inclusive view of Judaism) and everyone followed the Torah (as they think it should be followed). So they continue to wear the old Polish clothing (shockingly, not the peasant clothes, but the clothing of the "scholars") and spend their time learning Torah and Talmud instead of working, and have tons of kids and don't engage in the secular world (this is the younger generation - the older generation of Hasidim worked and made money and now their sons are living off that money instead of working and contributing to society). Some of them don't even speak English - only Yiddish. And they were born and raised in New York City (or Montreal, or Manchester, England)
I'll never understand it.
Part of it, at least from the Christian side, is the feeling that Christians are supposed to be set apart from the world, "in it, not of it." They're supposed to be, literally, "set apart" from sin and for God. Christians are referred to as "ambassadors" of God and are supposed to represent godly ways, rejecting worldly ones.
As such, there's often a concern about how to do that. Some people believe it's important to take it to the extreme, and people have different levels of what's considered "extreme" and what's considered becoming too worldly.
I knew a lot about the Quiverfull movement and have encountered people who were extremely conservative in biblical interpretation--that is, selectively extremely conservative. Although they claim their beliefs are solely from the Bible, they're not and are instead based on one person's interpretation of the Bible and culture. I see this attitude in people at church sometimes. There's a yearning for "the good old days"--the "Little House on the Prairie" days when "everyone" was a Christian and a relatively good person. So, taking that nostalgia as truth, they seek to recreate the time period, in hopes of achieving that perceived level of righteousness.
I know others who admire the Duggars because the image portrayed on TV is of a "good, Christian family"--one they themselves strive to be. I think that's why some people have a hard time accepting this. It's such a shock to their perceptions. They see themselves in the Duggars, and as such, can't imagine courting evil in their midst, so therefore, it must not have happened the way we're told. They rationalize it away.
There's something similar within certain sects of the Hasidic Jews - right down to the clothing they wear. They aren't yearning for Little House on the Prairie of course, but for pre-war Poland when Jewish scholarship was at its "peak" (according to them, I would argue that we're currently experiencing a resurgence of Jewish scholarship that emphasizes a more liberal and inclusive view of Judaism) and everyone followed the Torah (as they think it should be followed). So they continue to wear the old Polish clothing (shockingly, not the peasant clothes, but the clothing of the "scholars") and spend their time learning Torah and Talmud instead of working, and have tons of kids and don't engage in the secular world (this is the younger generation - the older generation of Hasidim worked and made money and now their sons are living off that money instead of working and contributing to society). Some of them don't even speak English - only Yiddish. And they were born and raised in New York City (or Montreal, or Manchester, England)
I'll never understand it.
This is interesting. I've mentioned before that we live where there is a cluster of Hasidic and that the rabbi lives one street over. There are a ton of kids and grandkids living in that house. They do always seem to be home. They won't say hello unless you say it first and then its a mutter or slight nod.
Post by thedahliharpa on May 25, 2015 16:40:57 GMT -5
I've tolerated a Catholic extremist on my feed for longer than I should have but the sharing of a Christian defense piece of that mess was the last straw. Good bye and no more Christmas cards.