Fundie blogger calls for Josh Duggar's execution

[katietornado]

I'm not going to link because crazy.  Google ste.ven an.ders.on f.ami.ly

It's the wife of the pissing preacher (whose church has been designated a hate group).




When the news of Josh Duggar first hit my Facebook newsfeed on Thursday morning, when only InTouch (not exactly reputable) was covering it and there was talk of one victim and few details, I told my husband three things:

- This is not the end of it, and the rest will all hit the fan before the day is up.
- The show will be discontinued.
- People will be asking us for our take on this.

Sadly, all three of my predictions have come true. This blog post is intended to address that third point.




Before I do, some disclaimers:

- I do not know the Duggar family personally, and have never met any of them.
- I have watched all their specials and regular shows since they became available through Amazon video-on-demand, but always fully aware of the fact that nothing on TV is ever real. As many others, I enjoy seeing and learning from the daily workings of a large family.
- I have not read the police reports, only scanned over a few pages of it very briefly. My blog post is based on information found in news articles, and my opinions might be different if I had more knowledge of the situation. Therefore, as more details are sure to emerge, my take on all this might change.
- We have for years held and publicly stated that the Duggars are liberal and worldly, even as they are known for being "fundamentalists". Maybe their beliefs are, but what they are publicly willing to take a stand for is weak and anemic. Example: Never answering whether or not they spank their children, which they obviously did, while telling the world over and over again about their positive approach of praising good behavior. Deceptive at best.

For those who wondered, here are my thoughts:

- I believe that all pedophiles are reprobates, that they are unregenerate and in fact can never change, and that they, like all sexual deviants, should be executed as the Bible demands, lest they spread their abusive ways and corrupt more innocent lives.

- I do not believe that pedophiles or other deviants who claim to have found God are telling the truth. I believe this is a lie they tell to gain access to easy targets, namely children in church, at camp, etc.

- The Duggars, it seems, have always been running in circles known to attract freaks and weirdos. Sadly, many Christians who grow sick of churches pushing birth control, Christian school, and nurseries find themselves attracted to the home church, repentance, patriarchal crowd. From what I have read, it seems the Duggars left a soulwinning, independent Baptist church to join a "home church," and later got tied in with ATI and Vision Forum, the heads of which have both resigned amidst sex scandals involving much younger women. Guarding our kids against abuse in this day and age is vital.

- I have zero doubt whatsoever that for Joshua Duggar to do what he did (to his own sisters no less), he himself at some time before that, or even at that point in time, was the subject of abuse.

- Not all who are abused become abusers themselves, and it is never an excuse. I do believe that without the perpetrators being punished properly (which would be swift execution), it is virtually impossible for victims to overcome abuse, unless they have the Holy Spirit of God to help them through it.

- The Duggars promote a false gospel that calls for "repentance from sins," rather than, what the Bible teaches, a turning from false religion or whatever else we are trusting to get us into heaven other than Jesus. While I have know many good Christians who truly were saved become mixed up in this doctrine of "there will be / has to be some change," many of which later reversed course and realized that their definition of repentance was works salvation, the Duggars push this point more than most, and associate with obviously false prophets such as Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron, promote the damnable "Hell's best kept secret," etc. Because of this, I have only ever given them a 50/50 chance of truly being saved. Unless I talked to them in person, it is impossible for me to give my opinion on it accurately just because as with everything else, they are so wishy-washy it's hard to put a finger on it. I give their children even less of a chance of being saved, since it seems all they have ever known is this false gospel crowd.

- Being popular and loved by the world is another sign of a false prophet. Then again, while the Duggars enjoyed immense popularity, it was hardly for their Bible preaching/teaching, but rather for their unusual family size and lifestyle. Remember, the show does not promote virtually any doctrine, at all. Besides, they had vehement and vocal haters, too. So their rock star status may or may not be an indicator of being a false prophet.

- It is ridiculous of all these Christian blogs to go on and on about how we are all sinners, we all need grace and forgiveness, etc. Yes, that is all true - but we are not all pedophiles. That is an unnatural desire, only experienced by a reprobate. Even the world, which is happy to excuse most sins and licentious living, is still horrified by child abuse. No, forgiving a pedophile is not a great picture of what the gospel is all about. They have crossed a line where not even God is willing to forgive - why should we?

- Yet with all that being said, and I know I will draw immense hate for this from the trolls on this site, I am not convinced beyond any doubt that Josh Duggar himself had reached that point of being a reprobate pedophile when he did what he did.

One report stated the incident took place the month he turned 14 years old. I consider anyone that is pre-puberty to be a child. Our oldest, who will be 14 in September, is just now in the very beginning stages of puberty from all I can ascertain (thank you, growth hormone-free meat and dairy). Even for a child of course such behavior is vile, perverted, and sinful, and they should and often do know better. But they are not always acting on their own lusts and desires, but in foolishness they are acting out what they themselves have been exposed to. The unpardonable sin of sexual deviance is the fact that they burn with lust after the same gender, after animals, after (in this case) children. Is that what Josh Duggar felt at age 14, or was he, who I am sure was a victim of abuse himself since his family runs in circles replete with reprobates, just acting out the abuse carried out on him earlier, or even at that time? I have no way of knowing the answer to this question for sure. Neither do I need to know, since it is between him and God. He doesn't go to my church or ever have access to my kids, so I need not waste my time trying to make this important distinction.

My heart breaks for the victims, who will only be able to get over this by the power of God. I am sickened for the children in the family who likely have never been informed of this before, and whose entire lives have just been turned upside down. Imagine that's your Dad that was just declared to the world to be a pedophile. The new spouses - were they told of issues their young wives are likely to carry with them for life? How to live with such a burden of shame, that has reached international proportions? What great harm has been done to the Bible and God's way, by allowing a family to be lifted up to such popularity, when this was sure to come out sooner or later, and waved high and low as a banner for why the Bible is wrong and progressives are right. Who are the people that make a living of trying to dig up past evil on a 14-year old?

It was reckless and irresponsible of the Duggars to allow themselves to rise to stardom, knowing about such "skeletons" in the closet. Even if we set aside "Be sure your sin will find you out," it was insane to think they could become celebrities, and this not come to light with as many people as were involved in it. Did they consider the repercussions on their son's life, who would even under the best of circumstances have been reeling to recover from this (if that is even possible)? Did they think the world, who was looking for any way to attack them, was going to look the other way on this? Great shame has been brought upon the cause of Christ through their desire to be rich, popular, or both.

So, a sad story all around, on every level. One that brings shame, to some degree, on anyone who names the name of Christ.

[elleblue]

Well...as much as I'm horrified by his actions not to mention the lack of action on the part of his parents and community to address his crimes, that seems a bit extreme.

[nursewife]

Well that is one way to deal with the over population of the world...

[ESF]

If there's a silver lining here, it's seeing the true colors of the wingnuts. Whether they throw each other to the wolves like this one here, or double down on the insanity like some of the others (*cough huckabee cough*), it sure is quite the spectacle to watch.

[swsaradee]

Wow. How screwed up do you have to be to consider the Duggars liberal?

[gpw]

OK. Quick question. I'm only two short paragraphs in. Forgive me my ignorance here because I really don't know much about the Duggars or this family. She says "never answered questions about whether they spank their children, which they obviously did." Is it "obvious" because of their beliefs? Or from something else?

[Miss Phryne Fisher]

Having watched Zsu leg hump the Duggars for years has been painful. This isn't surprising though, though she is a freaking nutcase of the highest order, I think her husband is legit mentally ill.

[pamela]

That's .... Special.

[origami]

^ to the whole thing. Not just the execution stuff. Like the entire piece.

[jln]

I hate that she equates being gay to being a pedophile.

[wambam]

The pissig preacher went on a tirade about organic produce last week. He never runs out of things to scream about.

[iammalcolmx]

Look I am a heathen who is all for killing molesters but Josh needs help, not the chair

[elleblue]

May 25, 2015 20:06:04 GMT -5 wambam said:

The pissig preacher went on a tirade about organic produce last week. He never runs out of things to scream about.

Well today on her blog she features a video of him claiming that the Holocaust never happened. So yeah. :/

[katietornado]

May 25, 2015 20:06:04 GMT -5 wambam said:

The pissig preacher went on a tirade about organic produce last week. He never runs out of things to scream about.

Dude, and this week the Holocaust isn't real.  These people, man...

[wambam]

May 25, 2015 20:16:20 GMT -5 elleblue said:

May 25, 2015 20:06:04 GMT -5 wambam said:

The pissig preacher went on a tirade about organic produce last week. He never runs out of things to scream about.

Well today on her blog she features a video of him claiming that the Holocaust never happened. So yeah. :/

Yeah I saw that. It's...not surprising. His anti Semitism has been stewing for years. He has this "documentary" called Marching to Zion and it's a 90 minute tirade against Jews.

[wambam]

May 25, 2015 20:18:34 GMT -5 katietornado said:

May 25, 2015 20:06:04 GMT -5 wambam said:

The pissig preacher went on a tirade about organic produce last week. He never runs out of things to scream about.

Dude, and this week the Holocaust isn't real.  These people, man...

PeePee is actually insane. Certifiably.

[wambam]

May 25, 2015 20:22:49 GMT -5 @dontcallmeshirley1 said:

It's like the crazy went all the way around and came back full-circle, but on level 100 instead of level 10. He's the ludicrous speed of fundie.

Michael Pearl is almost as insane, but his depth of material online isn't as prolific as Stevie.

[MrsAxilla]

Huh. Well, I do agree with her last paragraph. They were insane to think this wouldn't come out and take their family down in some spectacular way.

[katfco]

Huh. I never knew "repentance from sin" was a "false gospel." Does this person even understand what he's writing? Because I'm not sure anyone else does.

[nursewife]

May 25, 2015 20:19:08 GMT -5 wambam said:

May 25, 2015 20:18:34 GMT -5 katietornado said:

Dude, and this week the Holocaust isn't real.  These people, man...

PeePee is actually insane. Certifiably.

Is this Steve guy called PeePee? Why is he called that?

[meshaliuknits]

Well that was a giant bag of crazy.

Is this the guy the friendly atheist posts about if he says something insane at a random point? sushi?

[cville]

This. Is. Insane.

[Deleted]

May 25, 2015 21:33:40 GMT -5 nursewife said:

May 25, 2015 20:19:08 GMT -5 wambam said:

PeePee is actually insane. Certifiably.

Is this Steve guy called PeePee? Why is he called that?

The KJV version of the bible uses the term "pisseth on the wall" a handful of times. He takes that term out of context and then declares that pissing on the wall is forbidden in Germany and claims America is becoming Germanized, or something.

It's bizarre and there's some relatively short YouTube videos of this particular sermon.

[nursewife]

May 25, 2015 22:44:34 GMT -5 papiercherri said:

May 25, 2015 21:33:40 GMT -5 nursewife said:

Is this Steve guy called PeePee? Why is he called that?

The KJV version of the bible uses the term "pisseth on the wall" a handful of times. He takes that term out of context and then declares that pissing on the wall is forbidden in Germany and claims America is becoming Germanized, or something.

It's bizarre and there's some relatively short YouTube videos of this particular sermon.

I was just reading some of the shit on this nut jobs blog. He obviously is mentally unwell. I'm so disgusted by the vile hate he spews! 

[wambam]

May 25, 2015 21:33:40 GMT -5 nursewife said:

May 25, 2015 20:19:08 GMT -5 wambam said:

PeePee is actually insane. Certifiably.

Is this Steve guy called PeePee? Why is he called that?

He once had a sermon about how men MUST stand up to pee and he was outraged at the lack of urinals in Germany. So he was dubbed the Pissing Preacher and there are a whole host of nicknames that followed.

[wambam]

May 25, 2015 20:42:37 GMT -5 katfco said:

Huh. I never knew "repentance from sin" was a "false gospel." Does this person even understand what he's writing? Because I'm not sure anyone else does.

Stevie a bit more colorful than most, but this is pretty common in he independent fundamentalist baptist crowd. They believe that ANYTHING more than "believe in Jesus" is absolutely 100% not necessary for salvation: not prayer, not repentance, nothing. Furthermore, they believe that unless you hear scripture from the King James 1611 version, you cannot be saved.

[underwaterrhymes]

Can I ask why some of you read this shit?

I mean, I understand reading news stories about Josh Duggar or other fundies who make the headlines, but why frequent their blogs or watch their videos? I can't even do it one time, let alone repeatedly.

Doesn't it enrage you? I really don't get the entertainment factor here.

[Cicero]

May 26, 2015 6:01:49 GMT -5 wambam said:

May 25, 2015 20:42:37 GMT -5 katfco said:

Huh. I never knew "repentance from sin" was a "false gospel." Does this person even understand what he's writing? Because I'm not sure anyone else does.

Stevie a bit more colorful than most, but this is pretty common in he independent fundamentalist baptist crowd. They believe that ANYTHING more than "believe in Jesus" is absolutely 100% not necessary for salvation: not prayer, not repentance, nothing. Furthermore, they believe that unless you hear scripture from the King James 1611 version, you cannot be saved.

So basically no one went to heaven between the time Jesus died and the time King James decided to have the Bible translated into English over a millennia and a half later?

[debatethis]

May 26, 2015 7:08:34 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

Can I ask why some of you read this shit?

I mean, I understand reading news stories about Josh Duggar or other fundies who make the headlines, but why frequent their blogs or watch their videos? I can't even do it one time, let alone repeatedly.

Doesn't it enrage you? I really don't get the entertainment factor here.

I can't answer for others but I don't read their actual blogs. FJ does a good job keeping up with the summaries.

IMO keeping an eye on some of these folks is just as important as watching what corporations or politicians are doing. Dominionist/patriarchal theology is focused on placing their believers at all levels of state and local government and creating legislation based on their beliefs. IE, Huckabee. And the Hobby Lobby case was about so much more than birth control for them.

[wambam]

May 26, 2015 8:25:34 GMT -5 Cicero said:

May 26, 2015 6:01:49 GMT -5 wambam said:

Stevie a bit more colorful than most, but this is pretty common in he independent fundamentalist baptist crowd. They believe that ANYTHING more than "believe in Jesus" is absolutely 100% not necessary for salvation: not prayer, not repentance, nothing. Furthermore, they believe that unless you hear scripture from the King James 1611 version, you cannot be saved.

So basically no one went to heaven between the time Jesus died and the time King James decided to have the Bible translated into English over a millennia and a half later?

Oh I should have clarified: this applies only to English speaking people. Apparently one version (textual receptus) in the original (?) language counts too.

He's got an answer for errrrything *eye roll*