This may be more of an UO, but part of me feels bad for Michelle Duggar. I can't imagine how it would feel as a mother to know that your one child did something really horrible to the others. You would feel so horrible for your daughters, and yet be so upset with your son, but you can't stop loving him. I can't imagine how torn she must feel. Not to mention having it unfold in the public eye. I get that they chose the spotlight and you have to take the good with the bad.
This may be more of an UO, but part of me feels bad for Michelle Duggar. I can't imagine how it would feel as a mother to know that your one child did something really horrible to the others. You would feel so horrible for your daughters, and yet be so upset with your son, but you can't stop loving him. I can't imagine how torn she must feel. Not to mention having it unfold in the public eye. I get that they chose the spotlight and you have to take the good with the bad.
Post by expectantsteelerfan on May 29, 2015 11:44:19 GMT -5
Along the lines of the babysitter post, MIL and FIL babysit for us a LOT, and they tend to do it together, both during the day and in the evening, and I honestly have no problem with that. But since dd is close to them, she hugs them, a lot. And just recently I can't help but notice when FIL is standing and dd runs up to hug him, her face is literally right in his crotch and it bugs me. I can't think of any way to keep her from hugging him when he's standing that wouldn't just be insane though.
This may be more of an UO, but part of me feels bad for Michelle Duggar. I can't imagine how it would feel as a mother to know that your one child did something really horrible to the others. You would feel so horrible for your daughters, and yet be so upset with your son, but you can't stop loving him. I can't imagine how torn she must feel. Not to mention having it unfold in the public eye. I get that they chose the spotlight and you have to take the good with the bad.
Nope. Like I said yesterday, I could *almost* understand their desire to protect their son IF they had also protected their daughters, but they didn't. At all.
This may be more of an UO, but part of me feels bad for Michelle Duggar. I can't imagine how it would feel as a mother to know that your one child did something really horrible to the others. You would feel so horrible for your daughters, and yet be so upset with your son, but you can't stop loving him. I can't imagine how torn she must feel. Not to mention having it unfold in the public eye. I get that they chose the spotlight and you have to take the good with the bad.
Nope. Like I said yesterday, I could *almost* understand their desire to protect their son IF they had also protected their daughters, but they didn't. At all.
i wonder how much say she has though? I mean I can't feel bad for her at all but if she was raised and believes the same things she isn't much better off than her daughters, right?
Nope. Like I said yesterday, I could *almost* understand their desire to protect their son IF they had also protected their daughters, but they didn't. At all.
i wonder how much say she has though? I mean I can't feel bad for her at all but if she was raised and believes the same things she isn't much better off than her daughters, right?
I'm sure she doesn't have that much say, but as a mother I seriously cannot fathom sitting back and doing nothing. No matter how submissive I think I'm supposed to be.
As far as I know, neither she nor Jim Bob were raised as Fundamentalists. They both went to public school and she was a cheerleader. (She has since repented for causing men to stray due to her immodesty.) Apparently, they went off the deep end after they lost their second pregnancy "because of the birth control pill." That's when they decided to leave it up to God and became a Quiverfull family.
She wasn't raised this way but has been living like this for 25 years. Honestly, I do feel bad to a point because I think she's completely brainwashed. One would think that even the most fundamental conservative would have had a lightbulb go off when this happened - but it didn't. And I blame that on Jim bob, Gothard and all the rest of their "movement."
She wasn't raised this way but has been living like this for 25 years. Honestly, I do feel bad to a point because I think she's completely brainwashed. One would think that even the most fundamental conservative would have had a lightbulb go off when this happened - but it didn't. And I blame that on Jim bob, Gothard and all the rest of their "movement."
I know you're probably right, but I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for her.
This may be more of an UO, but part of me feels bad for Michelle Duggar. I can't imagine how it would feel as a mother to know that your one child did something really horrible to the others. You would feel so horrible for your daughters, and yet be so upset with your son, but you can't stop loving him. I can't imagine how torn she must feel. Not to mention having it unfold in the public eye. I get that they chose the spotlight and you have to take the good with the bad.
Nope nope nope. I don't feel bad for her at all.
If she wasn't a fundie extremist I'd feel bad for her.
Having said that though, I DO feel like she was brainwashed into that shitshow lifestyle. Wasn't she like a cheerleader who wore bikinis before Jimbo got his creepy paws on her?
Post by dizzycooks on May 29, 2015 12:52:53 GMT -5
I send dds food to daycare so I don't feel bad when we do eat out. We had pandaexpress last night (first time, it was AWESOME!) and I realized I'd feel bad about it, but we hardly eat out and they eat good food at daycare because that's all I send.
I don't feel bad for Michelle Duggar at all. Not even a little bit. She is a grown woman with (presumably) half a brain who made conscious decisions (starting with Jim Bob) that led her to where she is today. Maybe she was brainwashed, but did she not have the ability to walk away before she got in too deep?
Take away the religion and extremist beliefs out of the equation, and taking a look at the situation of he son doing something horrible to your daughters, as mad and upset as you would be at your son, you would still love him. I can't fathom the internal war going on inside her. All the emotions that would be attached to this.
I send dds food to daycare so I don't feel bad when we do eat out. We had pandaexpress last night (first time, it was AWESOME!) and I realized I'd feel bad about it, but we hardly eat out and they eat good food at daycare because that's all I send.
I was running errands yesterday when I noticed some Panda Express execs scoping out an empty storefront a couple blocks from my apartment. I had to stop myself from approaching them and saying "please, please, please open a Panda Express here!" I love Panda Express a little too much.
I send dds food to daycare so I don't feel bad when we do eat out. We had pandaexpress last night (first time, it was AWESOME!) and I realized I'd feel bad about it, but we hardly eat out and they eat good food at daycare because that's all I send.
I was running errands yesterday when I noticed some Panda Express execs scoping out an empty storefront a couple blocks from my apartment. I had to stop myself from approaching them and saying "please, please, please open a Panda Express here!" I love Panda Express a little too much.
There is a rumor around here that a Panda Express is in the works. I am so freaking happy!
On a related but not really exciting note, we are also getting a Hooters.
Take away the religion and extremist beliefs out of the equation, and taking a look at the situation of he son doing something horrible to your daughters, as mad and upset as you would be at your son, you would still love him. I can't fathom the internal war going on inside her. All the emotions that would be attached to this.
I agree with this but do wonder how much of their extremists beliefs contributed to Josh's total objectification of women?
She wasn't raised this way but has been living like this for 25 years. Honestly, I do feel bad to a point because I think she's completely brainwashed. One would think that even the most fundamental conservative would have had a lightbulb go off when this happened - but it didn't. And I blame that on Jim bob, Gothard and all the rest of their "movement."
I think they used the trauma of a miscarriage to turn to that life. While I feel bad for those circumstances I can't use that to justify terrible life choices.
Take away the religion and extremist beliefs out of the equation, and taking a look at the situation of he son doing something horrible to your daughters, as mad and upset as you would be at your son, you would still love him. I can't fathom the internal war going on inside her. All the emotions that would be attached to this.
Of course I would still love him. I would love him enough to make sure he got the help he needed. I would also love my daughters enough to keep him far, far away. And make sure they got proper counseling.
I know this has everything to do with their beliefs, but they protected one son at the expense of four daughters. I just can't...
Take away the religion and extremist beliefs out of the equation, and taking a look at the situation of he son doing something horrible to your daughters, as mad and upset as you would be at your son, you would still love him. I can't fathom the internal war going on inside her. All the emotions that would be attached to this.
I agree with this but do wonder how much of their extremists beliefs contributed to Josh's total objectification of women?
I read a good point on another board:
The girls are taught to be submissive to their father and that he has authority over them until they marry. If something were to happen to JB that authority goes to Josh. It's really no wonder he thought he could use their bodies in that way.
I agree with this but do wonder how much of their extremists beliefs contributed to Josh's total objectification of women?
I read a good point on another board:
The girls are taught to be submissive to their father and that he has authority over them until they marry. If something were to happen to JB that authority goes to Josh. It's really no wonder he thought he could use their bodies in that way.
(Not word for word, but the gist)
I really doubt it was that thought out. I mean, he was obviously sick (mentally) and needed help. On top of that, he was 13 when it started. I really don't think he thought it out the way adult offenders do.
The girls are taught to be submissive to their father and that he has authority over them until they marry. If something were to happen to JB that authority goes to Josh. It's really no wonder he thought he could use their bodies in that way.
(Not word for word, but the gist)
I really doubt it was that thought out. I mean, he was obviously sick (mentally) and needed help. On top of that, he was 13 when it started. I really don't think he thought it out the way adult offenders do.
I guess I'm just saying their teachings may have contributed to his crimes in a subconscious way. Not that he necessarily thought it out or tried to justify it in that way. When you hear over and over that women are to be submissive and men are pigs who can't keep it in their pants, your views are going to be warped.
Post by justbecause on May 29, 2015 16:21:17 GMT -5
I'm letting the kids play with one of dH's DVDs. In my defense, he hasnt watched it for at least 8 years and I've told him to move it multiple times. His response was "well, couldn't they just not get into things?" I'll tell the two year old that and see what happens. :-p
It's been a long afternoon and DH was already texting he was glad he was going to be late. (Because his dad is here, attempting to build a swing set and telling me "not to take the kids outside because they would mess with the pieces") Dude has been out there for five hours now.....not much progress....
I was running errands yesterday when I noticed some Panda Express execs scoping out an empty storefront a couple blocks from my apartment. I had to stop myself from approaching them and saying "please, please, please open a Panda Express here!" I love Panda Express a little too much.
There is a rumor around here that a Panda Express is in the works. I am so freaking happy!
On a related but not really exciting note, we are also getting a Hooters.
There's a hooters right next to our Ikea. Every time we go to Ikea DS asks when we're going to go to hooters
I'm letting the kids play with one of dH's DVDs. In my defense, he hasnt watched it for at least 8 years and I've told him to move it multiple times. His response was "well, couldn't they just not get into things?" I'll tell the two year old that and see what happens. :-p
It's been a long afternoon and DH was already texting he was glad he was going to be late. (Because his dad is here, attempting to build a swing set and telling me "not to take the kids outside because they would mess with the pieces") Dude has been out there for five hours now.....not much progress....
Omg, swingsets take FOREVER! My husband, BIL and FIL spent a day and a half putting ours together last week.