And, to be clear, I am fearful of all guns. So, I really have no dog in this argument, but I think the acting brand new is odd so I want to discuss, lol.
Then you are comfortable with any LEO over Joe Public. That, I do not get, but my life does not allow me to 'get' it anymore so I don't know how else to explain it. It confuses me when people run around panicked with seeing a gun on Joe Public but not Jane Police when out in public.
In my state...
LEO's have required ongoing firearms training. Joe Public doesn't.
LEO's have background checks before becoming LEO's. Joe Public does not need to go through a background check before acquiring a firearm.
Those two things, alone, matter to me. The fact of the matter is guns are way way way too easy to obtain. If I was in a state where the only people who had guns had to go through trainings on how to use them properly and were background checked, I'd probably feel differently about it.
As it is, I could go buy a gun tomorrow, with no knowledge or training at all. Buy a holster for it and wear it proudly into my local Bed Bath and Beyond. And that's just all kinds of fucked up.
Not in Texas, you couldn't. You need a permit and a CHL.
I really don't see what the big deal is. I would just teach them bow to be safe. Never touch one, move away from person if you can, etc.
where should they "move away" to exactly. it is a public place. I have the right not to feel frightened for a child or myself don't I?
well this is way back at the beginning. But why would tillie say you should "move away from the person if you can" and not think that it is totally rational for people to be in fear of strangers with guns.
Post by karinothing on Jun 4, 2015 13:14:32 GMT -5
It never occured to me to be scared of someone that open carries. Concealed carry is where my fear lies. I guess maybe this is just because I grew up with it? I don't know. I don't like guns, but I don't think someone who open carries is going to go nuts and shoot up the place. 99% of the time I assume they are off duty police or military to be honest. but I don't know why I assume this.
This thread has made me realize that i'm not sure I've ever seen a gun in real life that is NOT on a security guard (at daycare and my work lol) or a police officer. I'm actually positive I have not. And those guns have all been in holsters. So I have never seen an unholstered gun.
That seems kind of odd to me. lol. and sheltered.
me too. And I'd like to keep it that way. I guess there are 31 states I won't be visiting again. (yes, I'm sure they are all very sad about that too. /snark)
This thread has made me realize that i'm not sure I've ever seen a gun in real life that is NOT on a security guard (at daycare and my work lol) or a police officer. I'm actually positive I have not. And those guns have all been in holsters. So I have never seen an unholstered gun.
That seems kind of odd to me. lol. and sheltered.
me too. And I'd like to keep it that way. I guess there are 31 states I won't be visiting again. (yes, I'm sure they are all very sad about that too. /snark)
The fact that all these states allow it and so few people actually do it makes my point perfectly. Normal people just don't do it even if they can, because the understand boundaries and respect social norms.
When someone is violating a social norm, I think there is something wrong with them. I think most of us do.
This thread has made me realize that i'm not sure I've ever seen a gun in real life that is NOT on a security guard (at daycare and my work lol) or a police officer. I'm actually positive I have not. And those guns have all been in holsters. So I have never seen an unholstered gun.
That seems kind of odd to me. lol. and sheltered.
Me neither and I hope to keep it that way. I remember flying into Rome Airport and seeing the Swiss Guard carrying huge machine guns all over the airport because apparently the Pope was flying in later that day and it was absolutely terrifying.
According to that map NJ allows people to carry with permits, which surprises me.
I knew my question may not be received well because I'm not a regular and it seemed naïve. Yes, I know OC is going on everywhere but I hadn't really thought about it until it became reality for me as a mother to tiny children.
I knew my question may not be received well because I'm not a regular and it seemed naïve. Yes, I know OC is going on everywhere but I hadn't really thought about it until it became reality for me as a mother to tiny children.
Oh. Well outside of a few unexpected things that happened in here, this is what we on CEP call "Thursday."
I knew my question may not be received well because I'm not a regular and it seemed naïve. Yes, I know OC is going on everywhere but I hadn't really thought about it until it became reality for me as a mother to tiny children.
I am a mother to two children in an OC state (no permits required) and we have yet to see people toting around firearms. I have seen concealed. We also camp all over the state, and even then we aren't running across folks with their rifles propped up against the tree whilst roasting hot dogs.
Look, I do think it's great to want to be prepared for the what-ifs. What if you do by chance see someone with a shotgun slung on at a local venue? OK. Assess that your state has an OC law which makes that person within his legal right. Know then that if you call the cops to tell them this dude is here with a gun, they may ask if the person is acting in a threatening manner other than there being the obvious firearm. If they are, by all means, exercise your legal right to report them. Leave the premises if you feel you must. Move to another state if that's your need. You do you.
That's your right to your opinion to think or assume that person is automatically crazy cakes. Just as it's that person's right to shrug off your anxiety (if it's obvious) because he/she may be up to absolutely nothing nefarious. One person in that scenario is, however, off base. And it won't always be the person with the gun. Truth.
ETA: The only thing about your OP I raised an eyebrow it (which is my normal reaction to this sentiment) is that the message to the kids has to be, "That man is scary and scared of life and wants to scare life away with his big gun just because he can." Which isn't verbatim to what you said, obviously, but in kind. Because, as I and others have posted repeatedly, as much as none of us can ever be certain of a person's intentions, the guy with an OC gun is not always going to be out to seek and destroy.
I knew my question may not be received well because I'm not a regular and it seemed naïve. Yes, I know OC is going on everywhere but I hadn't really thought about it until it became reality for me as a mother to tiny children.
I am a mother to two children in an OC state (no permits required) and we have yet to see people toting around firearms. I have seen concealed. We also camp all over the state, and even then we aren't running across folks with their rifles propped up against the tree whilst roasting hot dogs.
Look, I do think it's great to want to be prepared for the what-ifs. What if you do by chance see someone with a shotgun slung on at a local venue? OK. Assess that your state has an OC law which makes that person within his legal right. Know then that if you call the cops to tell them this dude is here with a gun, they may ask if the person is acting in a threatening manner other than there being the obvious firearm. If they are, by all means, exercise your legal right to report them. Leave the premises if you feel you must. Move to another state if that's your need. You do you.
That's your right to your opinion to think or assume that person is automatically crazy cakes. Just as it's that person's right to shrug off your anxiety (if it's obvious) because he/she may be up to absolutely nothing nefarious. One person in that scenario is, however, off base. And it won't always be the person with the gun. Truth.
ETA: The only thing about your OP I raised an eyebrow it (which is my normal reaction to this sentiment) is that the message to the kids has to be, "That man is scary and scared of life and wants to scare life away with his big gun just because he can." Which isn't verbatim to what you said, obviously, but in kind. Because, as I and others have posted repeatedly, as much as none of us can ever be certain of a person's intentions, the guy with an OC gun is not always going to be out to seek and destroy.
Point taken. My inexperience with guns does have a big part in my concern here. I would never actually say that to my kids, though I probably would to my husband later.
I don't think people with guns are automatically crazy, I promise, but I would (internally) question a need to show your gun while you grocery shop.
My grown up option here is to yes, tell my children to ignore said weapons and not touch and possibly avoid businesses that allow it.
I am a mother to two children in an OC state (no permits required) and we have yet to see people toting around firearms. I have seen concealed. We also camp all over the state, and even then we aren't running across folks with their rifles propped up against the tree whilst roasting hot dogs.
Look, I do think it's great to want to be prepared for the what-ifs. What if you do by chance see someone with a shotgun slung on at a local venue? OK. Assess that your state has an OC law which makes that person within his legal right. Know then that if you call the cops to tell them this dude is here with a gun, they may ask if the person is acting in a threatening manner other than there being the obvious firearm. If they are, by all means, exercise your legal right to report them. Leave the premises if you feel you must. Move to another state if that's your need. You do you.
That's your right to your opinion to think or assume that person is automatically crazy cakes. Just as it's that person's right to shrug off your anxiety (if it's obvious) because he/she may be up to absolutely nothing nefarious. One person in that scenario is, however, off base. And it won't always be the person with the gun. Truth.
ETA: The only thing about your OP I raised an eyebrow it (which is my normal reaction to this sentiment) is that the message to the kids has to be, "That man is scary and scared of life and wants to scare life away with his big gun just because he can." Which isn't verbatim to what you said, obviously, but in kind. Because, as I and others have posted repeatedly, as much as none of us can ever be certain of a person's intentions, the guy with an OC gun is not always going to be out to seek and destroy.
Point taken. My inexperience with guns does have a big part in my concern here. I would never actually say that to my kids, though I probably would to my husband later.
I don't think people with guns are automatically crazy, I promise, but I would (internally) question a need to show your gun while you grocery shop.
My grown up option here is to yes, tell my children to ignore said weapons and not touch and possibly avoid businesses that allow it.
Totally fair. As others have said, you did pretty well with one of your first posts! Look at the page count!
Because entire states are rife with the firearms! Exclamation points!!!!!
Right now I'm LOLing because I'm picturing Pixy's house bristling with rifles poking out of every nook and cranny. It's like something out of Looney Tunes in my brain.
There are certain threads I can't go into anymore because it makes me want to pull my hair out. Gun threads are one of them. I don't agree with the majority of the board, and it will end badly for all involved if I really lock horns with someone. So I just don't engage.
Yes this. Except for a Con that is almost every political thread. I think it's sad we don't have thoughtful debates anymore and I think that is due mostly to the lack of civility on the side of the majority. (And other factors like lack of time, being closer friends with board members, etc.) The majority that continues to act brand new every time it's called out, get defensive and refuse to change. That's fine if you guys actually want a rah-rah liberal safe space. But it leads you astray about what Rs actually believe and doesn't help you perfect your arguments or clarify to yourself what you believe, like having to debate your POV does.
For example, only 25% of Rs think abortion should be illegal in cases of rape/incest. (Wapo/kaiser poll from 2012. Link at the end.) I bet this stat would not surprise any Con on this board but it is surprising for libs, which is IMO a sign of how few Rs you guys know IRL and how nonexistent the R side is represented here. The poll found that R positions vary widely depending on what kind of R you are. Almost no blue blood Rs are pro-life in every circumstance. Only ~30% of TP Rs and self-identified social cons think it should always be illegal. (TPers + social cons = half the base, according to the poll.) It's the super religious Cons (mostly self-identified as "pro-govt Rs" in the poll, not as social cons) who are mostly pro-life no exceptions - 53%. but that group is the smallest R group. They make up 12% of the R population. I think R political candidates are more likely to favor exceptions than the base, but I couldn't find a poll of candidates only. I did see a factcheck piece about some D ads claiming R candidates didn't support exceptions when they in fact did (link at the end) so people may be under false assumptions due to misleading ads or inaccurate generalizations on lib "media" websites.
To continue my WOT and gain back some street cred, I agree with the NRA's statement here, which was in response to Texans carrying rifles in public areas:
"Let's not mince words, not only is it rare, it's downright weird and certainly not a practical way to go normally about your business while being prepared to defend yourself. To those who are not acquainted with the dubious practice of using public displays of firearms as a means to draw attention to oneself or one's cause, it can be downright scary. ... Using guns merely to draw attention to yourself in public not only defies common sense, it shows a lack of consideration and manners. That's not the Texas way. And that's certainly not the NRA way."
They unfortunately retracted that statement after a TX advocacy group got offended by it, but they still think it. I think it. I think almost all of us think it too. There's a huge difference between someone carrying a handgun in a holster and propping their AR15 against their chair whilst drinking their latte at starbucks. i know that point was made already as was the point that open carry =\= the Wild Wild West, so I'll move on and just say I think there is more agreement on this issue than it seems from this messy thread. the snark derailed things. If this made no sense it's because im tired and haven't had coffee.